The Northman
This podcast episode delves into the cinematic exploration of Robert Eggers' film, "The Northman," presenting it as a quintessential epic that transcends conventional storytelling. We engage in a thorough analysis of the film's historical accuracy, character development, and the unique directorial style of Eggers, who has emerged as a significant auteur in contemporary cinema. Our discussion encompasses the film's profound thematic elements, such as revenge and destiny, while also examining the profound impact of its visual aesthetics and sound design. We express our admiration for the cast's performances, particularly highlighting the complexities brought forth by Nicole Kidman and Alexander Skarsgård. Ultimately, we advocate for the film's recognition as a modern epic that offers a stark yet compelling glimpse into the Norse mythology and the human condition, urging our audience to appreciate its artistry and depth.
The discussion commences with an introduction to the guest, John Detoy, a notable comedian from Nashville, who has recently returned from touring. The conversation explores various facets of Detoy's career, notably his recent performances and his hosting role at the Nateland show. The episode also delves into the cultural significance of New Orleans, with a light touch on local delicacies such as king cake, and transitions into a more profound examination of the film 'The Northman.' The hosts express their admiration for the film, highlighting its rich storytelling and historical accuracy, which sets it apart from traditional epics like 'Gladiator' and 'Braveheart.' They emphasize that 'The Northman' embodies a personal journey of revenge, devoid of the sensationalism often present in Hollywood epics. As the episode unfolds, they dissect the film's themes and cinematography, lauding its artistic merit and Eggers' meticulous attention to detail, which reflects a commitment to authenticity in storytelling.
Takeaways:
- The podcast discusses the film 'The Northman' and its artistic interpretation of Norse mythology.
- Robert Eggers' dedication to historical accuracy in filmmaking is a prominent theme throughout the episode.
- The dialogue and character development in 'The Northman' are analyzed for their depth and complexity.
- The hosts express their admiration for the strong performances of the cast, particularly Nicole Kidman and Alexander Skarsgard.
Companies mentioned in this episode:
- Spirit Airlines
- Honest Fox Productions
Mentioned in this episode:
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Transcript
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Speaker A:Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Movie wars podcast.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm your host, Kyle.
Speaker A:Of course you know Seth at Seth's house.
Speaker C:Yeah, it is.
Speaker A:And we are so stoked to have a guest here today.
Speaker A:One of the best working comedians, not only based out of Nashville, but he's touring all over the place.
Speaker A:He just got back from a plane in New Orleans today.
Speaker A:You flew back.
Speaker A:John Detoy, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker C:He did not ever get off the plane.
Speaker C:He did nothing but stay on the plane in New Orleans.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I have a room on a Spirit Airlines bus.
Speaker A:It pulled up right here in East Nashville.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But, yeah, man, you're the.
Speaker A:He's the youngest world champion.
Speaker A:Yo yo or yo yo.
Speaker A:World champion.
Speaker A:It's hard to say.
Speaker A:I've never.
Speaker A:Yo, yo.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's a train of words.
Speaker A:And recently he's been hosting the Nateland show at Zany's here.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's been fun.
Speaker A:Yeah, man, it's been awesome seeing your career blossom, getting a little recognition, touring.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's.
Speaker B:It was good.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I'm sorry.
Speaker B:I was in the airport.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I was explaining these guys.
Speaker B:Like, my airplane was like, 6am last show was like, two hours outside of New Orleans.
Speaker B: And I was just like,: Speaker B:There's a lot of people who just hang out at the airport, like, for early flights.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, it's mainly sad people, I've learned.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But the airport is a weird place when nothing is open.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:It's like Walmart used to be at 2am like, it's kind of the Wild west, but also a little bit of the greatest time ever.
Speaker B:Oh, 100%.
Speaker B:And you guys.
Speaker B:Have you guys ever had king cake, too?
Speaker C:Yeah, I actually have not.
Speaker C:That is one of the few things I haven't had from New Orleans.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's.
Speaker B:So that was a.
Speaker B:It was everywhere.
Speaker B:I thought it was a box of dozen donuts, and they're like, no, it's one cake.
Speaker B:Like, who Blink, Blink.
Speaker B:Do you just.
Speaker B:You just put it in your backpack and, like, I don't know, you could.
Speaker C:Eat, but, I mean, it looks like a donut, so you could just say you had one donut.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it's Mardi Gras next week, too, or whatever, so.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You have a special as well, right?
Speaker A:Is it out yet?
Speaker A:I can't remember.
Speaker B:It should be out hopefully this spring.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's going to be called Mookie's Kung Fu Cowboy.
Speaker B:It's My mom.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It was produced by Honest Fox Productions out of Atlanta, Georgia.
Speaker C:Nice.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:I think they produced my friend Nathan's as well, I think.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:Nathan Owens.
Speaker B:Yeah, Nathan Owens.
Speaker A:He's been on the show before.
Speaker B:It's so.
Speaker B:They're so professional.
Speaker B:It's crazy.
Speaker B:So just like this podcast.
Speaker A:Well, let us.
Speaker A:Let us know the date.
Speaker A:We'll put it out there so we can funnel people to it.
Speaker A:But also, finally, we can.
Speaker A:Seth is going to endure a lot of Filipino rage today.
Speaker C:It's true.
Speaker A:From us, too.
Speaker A:I mean, obviously, I'm only like, an eighth or something, but it's how I got my last name.
Speaker A:But a couple of Filipinos here, I'm.
Speaker C:Just glad I'm not even a little Spanish.
Speaker A:Not even.
Speaker C:Not.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:We've been really planning our country coup.
Speaker A:Any conquistadors in here would be a blood bath.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm a passive Filipino, though, so I'm.
Speaker B:Pretty sure there's a sword behind us, too, right?
Speaker B:Isn't there?
Speaker B:Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker B:There we go.
Speaker A:He's got weapons.
Speaker C:He's got a dagger there.
Speaker C:Swords are in the bedroom.
Speaker A:He's got weapons planted all throughout this house.
Speaker A:I was listening to a song in his room, and I was like, there's a sword on the wall.
Speaker C:There's three swords on the wall.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:They look real.
Speaker A:Are those real?
Speaker C:They're real swords.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Cases.
Speaker C:No, they're just hanging on the wall.
Speaker A:Oh, they're just.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm just looking at the day.
Speaker C:No, that's just.
Speaker C:You know, that.
Speaker C:That.
Speaker C:That's definitely fake.
Speaker C:That one is not even sharp.
Speaker A:Unsheathed.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, we are covering a movie I have been dying to cover for a long time today.
Speaker C:Same here, actually.
Speaker A:The Northman.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:If this hadn't been on your list, it would have been on mine.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, that's how much I love this movie.
Speaker A:Maybe the most interesting movie in Edgar's catalog.
Speaker A:And there's a lot of reasons for that, because we've.
Speaker A:We've covered Covid movies before.
Speaker A:Movies that were produced or came out during COVID Yep.
Speaker A:And I'm not usually, like, an evangelist to go see a movie or whatever, but, like, a lot of Edgar's fans were like, go see it.
Speaker A:Don't let it flop.
Speaker A:And it flopped.
Speaker A:It flopped by a little bit.
Speaker A:It wasn't a lot, but.
Speaker A:And it wasn't Edgar's fault.
Speaker A:Although this movie did come out to a little bit of people did detest it a Little bit.
Speaker A:Because a lot of people wanted to come out and see an epic.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And in their mind, an epic would have been a gladiator.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Braveheart.
Speaker A:Two really great movies.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Not this movie.
Speaker C:Well, this was sort of marketed as John Wick with axes.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker C:And then as.
Speaker C:As much as, you know, I would have loved that personally.
Speaker C:I went in because I think the week before the movie came out, I read that it was based on the Norse folk tale that inspired Shakespeare to write Hamlet.
Speaker C:And that's when I knew, oh, this might have some cool action in it, but this is going to be a drama.
Speaker A:It's going to be a deep cut.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:This is not going to be the John Wick running around with axes that I thought it was going to be.
Speaker B:Stabbing people with pencils.
Speaker C:And now I will say as far as like, I still think you can call this an epic because A, he goes on a full out journey throughout the whole thing, but B, they had a lava duel that rivaled Revenge of the Sith in my opinion.
Speaker C:You can hate and I.
Speaker C:There's a lot to hate about the Star wars prequels, but that, that duel in.
Speaker C:In the lava in the volcano is one of the greatest things that's ever come out of Star Wars.
Speaker C:This every bit is good, if not even a little better, in my opinion.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, it was just so true to Norse folk tale.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:It really followed everything.
Speaker B:I mean, granted, like Olga the.
Speaker B:In the books, I'm pretty sure Ogo's like actually a guy.
Speaker B:And then like, I don't know, I was like doing research on this.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, and then like, I don't know.
Speaker B:That's why the Shakespeare influence came into that.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:They even had a call out to Mimir with Defoe's head that was supposed to be a shout out, like back to Mamir.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, that's cool.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which I knew mostly of through the God of war games, but I didn't know this in the actual folklore, the way that.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker A:That Odin kept Mimir.
Speaker A:So Eggers talks about all this on the commentary.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:It is deeply historically accurate, you know, and I guess herbs.
Speaker A:Odin kept Mimir's head alive with herbs and just kept his head alive to tell him things and wisdom and stuff.
Speaker A:That would be a horrible way to live.
Speaker A:You're just a head s.
Speaker A:Like, I.
Speaker B:Forgot to feed my head.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's like, damn it, get the bay leaves.
Speaker A:Why aren't there any bay leafs?
Speaker A:Under.
Speaker A:Under Mir's.
Speaker C:Trail him with some parsley.
Speaker B:Some parsley.
Speaker A:These are the wisdom parsley.
Speaker B:Don't mix wheat with that.
Speaker B:That will make him expire.
Speaker C:He's gluten intolerant.
Speaker A:I personally, and I, I, I agree with what you're saying.
Speaker A:I think it's an epic in the purest sense.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:It is so historical.
Speaker A:And the thing is, is I love Braveheart and Gladiator, but there is so much sens.
Speaker A:Sensationalization.
Speaker C:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker A:Romanization of those stories.
Speaker A:They're good stories, but it makes, Makes them really good.
Speaker A:That is not Edgar.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker A:So I can see if you're an innocent bystander.
Speaker A:And, and actually, this kind of leads to the next part of.
Speaker A:What I wanted to talk about was Eggers is one of our newest Autours.
Speaker A:You know, he has entered that classification.
Speaker A:He's probably the newest Autour since.
Speaker A:No, I would say I'm trying to think of someone else who's established themselves.
Speaker C:Denny.
Speaker C:Villain view.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker A:And I think Edgar's.
Speaker A:But the thing is, is that he's an auteur, but he's not widely accepted.
Speaker C:And that he's only put out four movies at this point.
Speaker A:Correct.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he's so hell bent on historical accuracy that it does turn off a lot of people.
Speaker A:So I could see how a lot of people would come thinking they're getting a Gladiator Braveheart experience and going, what is happening?
Speaker C:Well, especially after seeing the previews.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like I said, the preview is definitely marketed as this, like, just a rampage running around, murdering people left and right.
Speaker C:So I could see how if you didn't look at anything other than the previews, you'd be very confused.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's kind of like.
Speaker B:This is sad, but, like, I thought, like, the biopic Harriet was going to be like Django Unchained because of the trailer.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then I got, like, high and I'm like, this is nothing like singing.
Speaker B:Why are they singing?
Speaker A:We could do a whole podcast on misleading trailers.
Speaker C:Seriously.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:Add that to the list with the director actors.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, you look at how Jack Skarsgard is like, oh, he's gonna jack some people up.
Speaker A:He Jacks up like 12 people.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, it's like, you know, granted.
Speaker C:That that whole sequence where he's trying to get Anya, Taylor, Joy out of the way, so he runs in and just starts brutalizing people back in the cam.
Speaker C:It's so good.
Speaker A:It is wild.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But you know, the thing is, is I was trying to ask myself Was like, how is Edgar's amassed in.
Speaker A:In so few films?
Speaker A:He's amassed a very loyal following.
Speaker A:I think even though it's divisive, there are people that are just going to be turned off.
Speaker A:Like, there's a lot of people that say the Witch is the best horror movie ever made.
Speaker A:And there's a lot of other people who think it's way too accurate.
Speaker A:Nothing happens.
Speaker A:That was the movie and I love it.
Speaker A:And, and that kind of defines my whole film journey.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Is that discovering, like, do you remember being young and watching the credits and thinking, oh my God, that guy directed this too.
Speaker A:How could a guy direct two movies?
Speaker C:Once I discovered IMDb, yes.
Speaker C:That's when everything was lost.
Speaker C:I just started looking.
Speaker C:I was like, oh my God.
Speaker A:Because it's all connected well for me because I'm old.
Speaker A:This is pre Internet.
Speaker A:So all I had was the credits.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And even when Internet came out, my family was too poor to have Internet and we lived way out too far in the redneck woods of Arkansas.
Speaker A:But I remember watching Goodfellas, falling in love with it.
Speaker A:And then Casino came on.
Speaker A:It said Scorsese.
Speaker A:I was like, how could he do this too?
Speaker C:He got De Niro in two movies.
Speaker B:Oh my God.
Speaker A:And, and, but that's how my love of film starts is like you, you find a director, you like their style.
Speaker A:Then I'm like, I gotta find their whole oeuvre.
Speaker A:I gotta find everything.
Speaker A:And that was Eggers for me.
Speaker A:I watched the Witch and then it.
Speaker A:To watch the Lighthouse.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:But I think the way that he has amassed such a following is that you know exactly what you're getting.
Speaker A:You're getting historical accuracy.
Speaker A:You know what he's going to deliver.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And, and his fans just trust him in a way that not a lot of other directors can, can gather.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:What do you two think?
Speaker C:No, I completely agree with that.
Speaker C:He, he.
Speaker C:That's the thing is like when the Northman came out, he'd only put out the Witch and the Lighthouse.
Speaker C:So even if you were familiar with what he had done, it was.
Speaker C:Those are polar opposite movies.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:It's going to be very difficult to figure out what this next one could be.
Speaker C:Once they announced Nosferatu, it was pretty clear to me how.
Speaker C:And it's not even a pattern.
Speaker C:It's just his tone goes for a movie that it is going to be a slow burn.
Speaker C:And that's just something you have to expect from Robert Eggers.
Speaker C:But it's, it's so well done that I just I don't.
Speaker C:Like you said, I don't see this many young directors putting out four minimum eight movies.
Speaker C:Like, like, they.
Speaker C:They all would hit at least like an 8.0 for me on.
Speaker C:On a rating scale.
Speaker C:Like, every single one of them is fantastic.
Speaker B:Well, especially, like going like, from like black and white with the lighthouse to this to like, I haven't seen Nosferatu, but it looks like a totally different direction.
Speaker C:Like, honestly, it's very dramatic with the color schemes.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So was it nominated for anything this last year?
Speaker C:I was nominated for 4.4oscars.
Speaker A:The bullshit ones.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I can't remember which one.
Speaker A:Visual sound.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Not like direct.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:The stuff they give people they don't like.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Like George Miller.
Speaker A:Those are the George Miller ones.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's like the Christopher Nolan ones before Oppenheimer.
Speaker A:That's him saying, we can't admit it's a good movie, so we're going to give you these shitty awards.
Speaker A:Yeah, sorry, go ahead.
Speaker B:No, I agree with you 100% and that.
Speaker B:But it's.
Speaker B:You know, they still, like, those same companies will put like, Oscar winning.
Speaker B:I also think that, like, the trailer, they had to make it the way they did with this one because, like, just of the unique cast they have with this.
Speaker B:I mean, with Skarsgard and Anya, like, just knowing their.
Speaker B:I don't know, the Ethan Hawke and.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Defoe, like Anne Bjork, like, and the.
Speaker B:Rest was the one that was surprised.
Speaker A:She's amazing.
Speaker A:So I have a great rando for that, by the way.
Speaker A:But the rest of the actors, when you look at it, these are.
Speaker A:These are Scandinavian actors.
Speaker A:They're from Denmark.
Speaker A:They're from Iceland.
Speaker A:Like, they're.
Speaker A:Every last name on here is of that descent.
Speaker A:So he went out and got people that at least have that descendant.
Speaker A:Nature.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You don't have the rock playing.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:I don't know you.
Speaker A:Imagine the rock in Willem Dafoe's Row.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Imagine the rock in the lighthouse.
Speaker A:Were you jacking off in the lighthouse again?
Speaker B:Giving that monologue of the shanty.
Speaker B:What the.
Speaker A:Was that a mermaid?
Speaker A:Oh, the rock of my biceps.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I forget sometimes he's an actor.
Speaker B:I know this is deviating, but, like, with that whole announcement and challenging Cody Rhodes, it took him 20 minutes to be like, you want to fight?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:He can't help but go back to wrestling randomly, like in between making millions of dollars in movies.
Speaker A:And then he, like, says something really political.
Speaker A:He's like, I'm gonna wrestle again.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's his backup plan.
Speaker A:That's his fallout from saying, pissing off both political sides.
Speaker A:Like, I better go back to wrestling.
Speaker A:I gotta remind people of my origin.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Meanwhile, I'm not smart.
Speaker B:Meanwhile, you got the Skarsgard family that's like, oh, crap, the rocks here.
Speaker A:Three of the best actors we have alive today.
Speaker B:Like, oh, my God, four.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:There's three sons.
Speaker C:Like, all four of them do crazy good shit.
Speaker C:God.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You may have a friend that can't stop pillaging.
Speaker A:They can't stop going coast to coast in a.
Speaker A:In a boat.
Speaker A:And they need this podcast.
Speaker C:But they're not pirates.
Speaker C:Because they're from the north.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:They are from the north.
Speaker A:They are Norse.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:And they need this podcast.
Speaker A:They're.
Speaker A:They're not friendly to women or children.
Speaker A:They will burn them inside of a house.
Speaker A:And by the way, the hay we're gonna have.
Speaker A:Let's have a question about that.
Speaker A:But there's.
Speaker A:There's gonna be hay for a roof that's not gonna be wood.
Speaker A:The most flammable material available at the time.
Speaker A:Hey, let's make that a roof.
Speaker A:When we know the Vikings are running around burning down.
Speaker B:But it's okay because it's cold.
Speaker C:Cold.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's cold.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:Yes, exactly.
Speaker A:So anyway, you may have a friend that can't stop pillaging.
Speaker A:Send it to this, because it's not going to turn out well for them.
Speaker A:There's a volcano and they're gonna die.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:So they need this podcast.
Speaker A:Send it to your friends.
Speaker A:We love y'all.
Speaker B:And they're naked.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And they're absolutely naked.
Speaker C:There's a lot of butts in this movie.
Speaker A:A lot of.
Speaker A:A lot of butts.
Speaker A:That should have been the subtitle of this movie.
Speaker A:The Northman.
Speaker A:A lot of butts.
Speaker B:And Anya.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:And I just got done doing Furiosa with Matthew Blev.
Speaker A:There's so much Anya right now.
Speaker A:She hated making both of these movies.
Speaker A:Both these movies.
Speaker A:I didn't put in my randoms.
Speaker A:But one thing that they have in common is that she complained about filming them both.
Speaker A:It's just like, really?
Speaker A:I was out.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Because they were both really hard.
Speaker A:Because she literally was in the mud in Iceland.
Speaker A:It was cold.
Speaker C:I mean.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then in, you know, George Miller, she.
Speaker A:He drags him out to the desert for two years.
Speaker A:They literally can't go anywhere else.
Speaker A:Even if they try to escape, they're gonna die in the desert.
Speaker B:I'm living the movie.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker A:The Questions.
Speaker C:The questions is this.
Speaker A:Is this kind of like what it's going to divulge to if satellites and technology just died today?
Speaker A:Is this, like, how long before we get to the Northman, where we're just pillaging and revenge is the only hobby we have?
Speaker C:I give it 10 years.
Speaker B:I mean, Seth's preparing.
Speaker B:He's got a fair amount of swords.
Speaker C:Yeah, no, that's.
Speaker C:That's literally the plan.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we will.
Speaker B:We have one for everybody.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:If you'd like to send a gift or a sword to Seth, send us to the P.O.
Speaker B:box.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And don't even sheath it.
Speaker A:Just, like, you know, by the time it gets here, it's just poking out of the box.
Speaker C:I mean, most of them don't come sheathed, so.
Speaker A:Oh, wow.
Speaker A:Killed, like, four postmen on the way here just by handling the box.
Speaker B:It's just encased in a rock.
Speaker C:That would make Halfway to Jesus right now.
Speaker A:That would make us liable.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Telling everybody to send swords.
Speaker C:Send me all the swords.
Speaker A:Movie wars has killed 15 postmen.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Second question.
Speaker A:Going back to what I said earlier, I know this is a primitive society.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:But seriously, with the hay roofs, like, how much pillaging has to happen before?
Speaker A:Like, maybe we need a new material.
Speaker A:They keep burning these things down in seconds.
Speaker C:I mean, the only other thing they could try to use is stones, but I don't think they really had, like, a mortar system at that point.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, it was just.
Speaker C:We'll try to stack them, but, I don't know, we could get the roof.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, the slaves were.
Speaker B:You can't divide slaves.
Speaker B:They gotta do one thing.
Speaker B:You can't just do two things.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, you know, and they're not Romans.
Speaker C:They don't have concrete.
Speaker B:They're Christians.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:They're just like, oh, man.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know what to do with this stone.
Speaker B:Jesus.
Speaker A:Jesus got me.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we'll just make a hay roof.
Speaker C:Christians are known for a love of hay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because Jesus was born in hay.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So they have to use it for the roofs.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Christian.
Speaker A:And this didn't become clear to me until I'm watching.
Speaker A:And I'm watching the thing burn.
Speaker A:I'm like, that thing's gonna burn down in four seconds.
Speaker A:It's like lighting a Christmas tree on fire.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's like making your roof Christmas trees.
Speaker C:I mean.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:That's just.
Speaker C:That's how they did it.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:As.
Speaker C:As we said earlier, it's.
Speaker C:It's crazy how historically accurate All.
Speaker A:Yeah, maybe better not to have a roof, honestly.
Speaker A:Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker C:I mean, you say that, then it starts snowing.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's true.
Speaker C:And you're like, oh, you know, we could set this roof on fire and then be warm.
Speaker B:One thing I don't get is making love in the woods.
Speaker B:Not that that's like.
Speaker B:That's another thing I didn't understand.
Speaker C:That was before ticks developed that.
Speaker C:That disease so that we can't eat red meat if you get bit.
Speaker A:I had that for three years.
Speaker C:Oh, shit, that's terrible.
Speaker A:Got rid of it.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker B:Yeah, that answers your question, though.
Speaker B:They're like, hey, we just need something over us.
Speaker B:We're making love in the woods.
Speaker A:Well, I will say one thing, and this is how much of a nerd Eggers is, but he was like talking about.
Speaker A:There's a scene with the snake, you know, with the.
Speaker A:With the he witch.
Speaker A:He's like, there are no native snakes to Iceland.
Speaker A:There are no snakes.
Speaker A:So it's like he.
Speaker A:It's like they're.
Speaker A:It's not Australia now in Australia, they're everywhere.
Speaker A:Definitely don't make love in the woods.
Speaker A:I'm just saying if.
Speaker A:If the woods love making is your thing, there probably is a stack rank of countries.
Speaker A:I would say we're probably not a good country for it, but Iceland, Greenland.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Some of the scandal.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Probably a few good places out there.
Speaker A:But you're right, it's not my bag.
Speaker C:Thanks, Patrick.
Speaker B:That'd be funny if they imported a snake to Iceland.
Speaker B:Be like, why?
Speaker C:Yeah, it's like Iceland turns into just a gigantic Florida.
Speaker C:People just bring the most exotic animals there and let them loose.
Speaker A:The snake capital of the world.
Speaker C:God, it's fucking great.
Speaker B:It's like the opposite of what St.
Speaker B:Patrick did.
Speaker A:It's amazing.
Speaker C:I think you can't even be that nerd that owns, like snakes in Ireland.
Speaker C:Like, they're just completely illegal.
Speaker C:I don't even know.
Speaker C:I didn't go to the zoo when I was there, but I don't even know if they have them at the zoo.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Just a guy in one of those tube things.
Speaker C:Like, I'm a snake.
Speaker C:I'm a snake.
Speaker A:This is going to sound really dark and I have a bit about this, so maybe that makes it better.
Speaker A:But I hate snakes because I had an aunt growing.
Speaker A:My aunt lived in El Paso and she's.
Speaker A:She went to prison.
Speaker A:She stole my grandmother's cancer medication and tried to sell it on the street like it was OxyContin and she had a sh.
Speaker A:She had A shack like that had 20 snakes in the back.
Speaker A:And she used to go out there and just like talk to them.
Speaker A:I'm like, snakes are not good business.
Speaker A:Like, if you have a bunch of snakes, you're going to steal your dying grandmother's cancer medication and sell it.
Speaker C:I think the limit is two.
Speaker C:Like, they need a friend like that, but that's the limit.
Speaker C:Like, if you're going to own them and not be creepy, you can only have two.
Speaker B:Well, it's like, you know, like ball pythons.
Speaker B:You can get a Petco for like.
Speaker B:Yeah, those things are like.
Speaker B:They can get like 5ft long.
Speaker B:The females.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because my sister in law has like two of them.
Speaker B:But like, yeah, the people who are like, I own an African gaboon viper.
Speaker B:And like, that's the most dangerous animal on the planet.
Speaker B:He's sweet.
Speaker C:Six black widows.
Speaker B:He looks like a Lego Roblox.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:That's not adrenaline either.
Speaker A:You know, you have adrenaline junkies who like love doing crazy shit like jumping out of planes.
Speaker C:You have people like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then you have people like me that don't want to walk outside.
Speaker A:And then you got the insect and snake people that like really don't want to walk outside.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And they love handling vile animals.
Speaker A:That's not.
Speaker A:What is that.
Speaker B:Yeah, they want to bring the outside inside.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's my tiger house.
Speaker C:Yeah, we need.
Speaker C:We need.
Speaker C:Instead of Tiger King Season 3, we need snake Queen.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:I need to see some crazy shit about someone who has snakes.
Speaker A:My aunt live from prison.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:How snakes makes you sell OxyContin on the street.
Speaker A:Rando.
Speaker C:Randos.
Speaker A:Oh, I'm gonna kick it off with my favorite.
Speaker A:So this.
Speaker A:There's a lot of stuff here about Bjork.
Speaker A:This was a big deal for Bjork.
Speaker A:This was her first film in 22 years.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, wow.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Her other.
Speaker C:Been that long.
Speaker A:Her last film was her first film, which is the Von Trier film Dancer in the Dark, where she got so many accolades.
Speaker A:Yeah, she was incredible.
Speaker A:I don't want to go into detail.
Speaker A:Sexual assault from Lars Von Trier set her acting career back.
Speaker A:She didn't want to do it again.
Speaker A:And she also had an amazing acting career anyway.
Speaker A:Or amazing music career anyway.
Speaker A:She's one of my favorite musicians.
Speaker A:So this was a big deal to come back to film.
Speaker A:And the reason that it was attractive to her, she is very.
Speaker A:She's very knowledgeable of her heritage.
Speaker A:She is from Iceland.
Speaker A:And also because of that, Edgar's actually gave her the opportunity.
Speaker A:She picked her entire wardrobe.
Speaker C:Nice.
Speaker A:And she didn't just pick it because she liked it.
Speaker A:Like, she had, like, historical, mythological reasons.
Speaker A:Like the thing.
Speaker A:If you notice the thing that looks like a third eye.
Speaker A:I can't remember what they're called, but they're stones.
Speaker A:Yeah, they actually.
Speaker A:The other women were also wearing them on their head, but she wanted to use the same thing.
Speaker A:But she wanted to look like she had a third eye to show that she was, like, of a witch nature.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And the headdress.
Speaker A:Eggers did help her.
Speaker A:The headdress, but that was like a Scandinavian wedding.
Speaker A:She.
Speaker A:I can't remember what they call it, but it's like a head thing that they would wear for weddings.
Speaker C:Oh, nice.
Speaker B:Oh, it's like the replacement of a veil.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Everything on her outfit had significance, and she was heavily involved in it.
Speaker A:And she crushes it in the short times in this.
Speaker C:She's fantastic.
Speaker C:Like, that scene is so creepy in the best way possible.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Another reason that, like, the Oscars hit and they missed.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Everybody here.
Speaker A:And we'll get into our categories.
Speaker A:But it's just.
Speaker A:I love the authenticity of this film.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And again, I trust Eggers.
Speaker A:That's what I said earlier.
Speaker A:It's like, when I get into the film, I know I'm at least seeing.
Speaker A:And the thing for him, him romanticizing this film is like, he was saying that there are parts of.
Speaker A:Like, we don't have a lot of artifacts from this time period where the story takes place.
Speaker A:So the helmets, for example, are an amalgamation of the period before and after where they have physical artifacts.
Speaker A:And it was just a reimagining of what those things combined would look like, like, the evolutional stage.
Speaker A:So that's.
Speaker A:That's him romanticizing and sensationalizing this story where others would be like, what if we put a gun in this movie?
Speaker A:You know, what if everybody has packs?
Speaker C:You know, it's like.
Speaker C:See, I think it's stuff like that.
Speaker C:There's.
Speaker C:So I would have to say, I think objectively, the Lighthouse is his best movie.
Speaker C:But this one's my favorite.
Speaker C:Yeah, this one's my favorite because as cool as the Lighthouse is and as different as the Lighthouse is, he pays so much attention to all of the fine details everywhere.
Speaker C:Whether it's working with Bjork on her costume or whether it's stuff like that.
Speaker C:Like, it's just.
Speaker C:It's so much good.
Speaker A:Did you watch the commentary?
Speaker C:No.
Speaker A:Oh, I'd recommend it.
Speaker A:Like, you're gonna.
Speaker A:You're gonna get a history lesson.
Speaker C:I'm eventually gonna get the 4k.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:Yeah, I only rented it on.
Speaker C:On digital because I was like, I'll get the 4K eventually.
Speaker A:But yeah, now I learned so much.
Speaker A:I'm actually now reading about Norse mythology because of how interested he made me.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Thanks, Robert.
Speaker C:Thanks, Mom.
Speaker A:I love talking to directors like, I know him.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I call Martin Scorsese Marty, and people, my old co host for the first version of the show, they're like, why don't you call him Marty?
Speaker C:Because that's what literally everybody calls him.
Speaker A:Do you know him?
Speaker A:I'm like, no.
Speaker B:It's like, run Entourage.
Speaker A:Marty.
Speaker A:This is an amazing fact.
Speaker A:You're gonna love this.
Speaker A:As a filmmaker.
Speaker A:This is the only film and the last film that has one line of improvised dialogue in any Eggers movie.
Speaker A:Oh, it was.
Speaker A:It came from what's his face.
Speaker A:Elder Scarfin.
Speaker A:The actor who played no Stub.
Speaker A:The guy whose nose got off.
Speaker A:It's when.
Speaker A:When Amoleth runs to the boat as a child and escapes and he's.
Speaker A:He's talking, chanting on the boat.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, that I'll avenge you.
Speaker A:That one line that he says to the Raven was the Raven King.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:That's the only line of dialogue that's ever been kept that was improvised in an Edgar's movie ever.
Speaker C:Wait, what did he say specifically?
Speaker A:It's nothing really.
Speaker A:It's just him.
Speaker A:Him updating the Raven King.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:And it's the way he said it apparently was not on the script.
Speaker C:Oh.
Speaker A:And he improvised.
Speaker A:But because I think because the time period correctness is so important to Eggers, like, because it's like he research.
Speaker A:Even the lighthouse that was based on some language, like some English medieval language that was really specific to semen.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, it's like he's that intricate.
Speaker A:Hey.
Speaker A:But yeah, so we're seven years old on this podcast, if you didn't know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker A:So I love that.
Speaker A:I can't believe it that there's only one improvised line of doll.
Speaker C:I mean, I can he.
Speaker B:I can.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So from what I hear about him, he's not like an asshole on set, like a Kubrick, but he seems to be every bit as picky and in a good way, but very picky about how things are done and said just because, like you said.
Speaker C:I mean, he himself has said he has no interest in doing any type of modern film.
Speaker C:Every film he's going to do is going to be a period film.
Speaker C:And so I could see how he would not.
Speaker C:Not necessarily micromanage, but just understand like every detail of Everything that happened.
Speaker C:So that.
Speaker C:That does make sense.
Speaker C:That is funny, though.
Speaker C:That was.
Speaker C:You know, that.
Speaker C:That kind of makes sense because when I saw that one moment in the back of my mind, I was like, that does feel a little different than every other line that is spoken in this movie.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Imagine walking around without a nose and knowing it was just cut off.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And be like, I'm gonna improvise.
Speaker A:I'm making shit up.
Speaker A:I don't got a nose.
Speaker A:Making it up as I go here.
Speaker A:This is a very nostril.
Speaker A:Less line of dialogue here, Rando, in case anybody was worried.
Speaker A:The volcano scene.
Speaker A:Don't worry.
Speaker A:Even though you barely see them.
Speaker A:Those are digital genitals.
Speaker A:So when you do.
Speaker A:Oh, really?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Just in case you guys were worried.
Speaker B:Dang it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:I want real.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's not the real scars guard, if you know what I mean.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's.
Speaker A:That ain't the Raven King.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So for that stuff, they usually just like, put on, like, really light nylon.
Speaker B:Pretty much compatible to their skin, right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:They're wearing, essentially, a man thong.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:I think there.
Speaker C:There are rules about showing genitalia.
Speaker C:Like, you could show boobs and it's fine.
Speaker C:But I think there are very specific rules as far as ratings go.
Speaker C:Like, I think if you do show actual penis or actual vagina, it's immediately NC17.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So that's.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Usually if they are going to do it, it's usually a prosthetic or digital.
Speaker B:And prosthetics are.
Speaker B:I know, like, for, like.
Speaker B:So, like, pro.
Speaker B:So explain NC17 versus R.
Speaker B:To me.
Speaker C:R literally means you can see the movie if you're over 13 and accompanied by an adult.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:NC17 means no one under 17 is getting in.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:Like, they will check your ID.
Speaker C:And if.
Speaker C:If you were 16 and a half, you cannot go watch this movie in theaters.
Speaker C:The biggest differences as far as, like, what's on screen, there is a different level of violence that will make a movie NC17.
Speaker C:And then certain sexual natures of nudity if it goes beyond what you would even like.
Speaker C:50 shades of gray really had to tone things down in order to be an R rating.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Then you have something like Lars Von Trier's nymphomaniac, which is NC17 to the max, because.
Speaker B:Yeah, you are.
Speaker C:Even though they're using doubles for the actual sex scenes, you are actually watching actual sex happen in some of those.
Speaker A:And Von Trier employs porn stars.
Speaker A:Yeah, for that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because he's.
Speaker C:Shia LaBeouf.
Speaker C:Had a penis.
Speaker A:Double penis.
Speaker A:Double.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:How?
Speaker B:Like, I feel like that.
Speaker B:That would be just like kind of like backwards insulting to me and be like, it's not you, it's him.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:He's just packing.
Speaker C:Ramstein did a music video for one of their songs, which I will not.
Speaker C:I just won't say the name of it, but it starts with a P.
Speaker C:You can find it.
Speaker C:They filmed it in a brothel in Germany, but it involved all of the band members having sex.
Speaker C:And so they actually ended up hiring penis doubles.
Speaker C:When all of the guys in the band saw the doubles come in, they were just like, oh, no, that makes sense.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Like, no, that.
Speaker C:That.
Speaker C:Yeah, let's do them.
Speaker C:Not me.
Speaker A:They put the.
Speaker A:They put the ram in Ramstein.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's amazing to hear that even the Germans have that sensibility.
Speaker A:Fantastic work.
Speaker B:Good taste, guys.
Speaker A:A lot going on with the digital genitals conversation here.
Speaker C:I do love the fact that in Nosferatu, Nicholas Holt got gifted the penis.
Speaker A:I still haven't seen it.
Speaker C:Oh, it's great.
Speaker C:Really.
Speaker C:Might as well just go ahead and watch the extended version.
Speaker C:It's four minutes longer, but, like, whatever.
Speaker A:But I'm waiting to watch it for the pot.
Speaker C:There's one scene where you do see Count Orlok's penis, and it's a prosthetic, and he gifted it.
Speaker C:Instead of to Bill Skarsgard, he gifted it to Nicholas Holt and he has it framed in his house, trying to.
Speaker A:Imagine what that would look like.
Speaker B:It's small Daddy.
Speaker B:What's that?
Speaker B:A really good memory.
Speaker A:That's a vampire penis.
Speaker A:Last rando.
Speaker A:Most of this was shot in Iceland, but because of insurance, they wouldn't let him do the whole thing.
Speaker A:So a lot of these scenes were parts of Ireland that mimic.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But I don't know why.
Speaker A:It's like you can do some of it in Iceland, but not all of it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I'm not 100% sure why.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:I guess is he.
Speaker C:Is he British?
Speaker C:Is he.
Speaker C:Or is he Irish?
Speaker C:Robert Eggers.
Speaker C:Where is he from?
Speaker A:I think he's just American.
Speaker B:When I hear.
Speaker C:I've never heard him speak, so I.
Speaker A:Just don't know when he speaks.
Speaker A:He's very.
Speaker A:It sounds very.
Speaker A:You've heard him speak.
Speaker A:He sounds very American to me.
Speaker C:Okay, then.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:There just must be.
Speaker C:Whatever company he was using must have needed to have some stuff shot in Ireland, too.
Speaker C:You never know.
Speaker C:Insurance is weird.
Speaker C:You'll like.
Speaker C:There's.
Speaker C:There was a Mythbusters episode where they're, like, doing an Indiana Jones thing, and they were dropping through canvases And Adam was like, ready to do it.
Speaker C:And then immediately insurance called and was like, no, you can't.
Speaker C:But we'll send the other guy.
Speaker C:The other guy can do this.
Speaker C:But you can't.
Speaker C:You're too expensive.
Speaker C:So they just have the most random reasons.
Speaker B:I also know that like Iceland's like really protective of their nature.
Speaker B:So like, maybe they were like, hey, you can't have all this.
Speaker C:No, you cannot shoot in front of an actual volcano that's erupting.
Speaker A:Get over it.
Speaker B:Yeah, grow up.
Speaker C:Yeah, pretentious, stupid insurance ruining everything for us.
Speaker B:Yeah, but it was Bjork.
Speaker A:If I'm going to do my first movie in 20 years, we're going to Ireland.
Speaker A:Shall we pillage?
Speaker C:Let's do it.
Speaker A:Shall we burn down the hay roof?
Speaker C:Shall we Ramstein?
Speaker A:Shall we Ramstein?
Speaker C:Shall we?
Speaker A:Let's war.
Speaker A:All right, so for today's categories, the yes.
Speaker A:Affirmative.
Speaker A:Love this category.
Speaker A:Great Berserker.
Speaker A:Barely know her.
Speaker B:I'm leaving.
Speaker C:Thank you.
Speaker A:Fine, I'll do them by myself.
Speaker A:And they're all Berserkers.
Speaker C:Barely knowers.
Speaker A:Even better than that.
Speaker A:The no negative didn't dig it.
Speaker A:Mead E Oker.
Speaker C:I like that one.
Speaker B:I do like that one too.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Shout out.
Speaker C:Honey Tree Meadery.
Speaker A:Oh, is that a real, real thing?
Speaker C:Oh, they're right down the road.
Speaker A:I've never had mead.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah, it's fantastic.
Speaker B:It will mess you up.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's the thing is like, it can go proof wise everywhere from beer to like port, so from like 4% to 20% and there's everything in between and it you would not know you're drinking alcohol at any of those proof levels.
Speaker C:Really nuts.
Speaker C:Yeah, I'll take you some time when you start drinking again.
Speaker A:I'm done.
Speaker B:The flight is like a hobbit house.
Speaker B:It's kind of cool.
Speaker A:That is cool.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I wish.
Speaker A:I wish I still drank.
Speaker A:I'm done.
Speaker A:I cut it out.
Speaker A:I can't do it anymore.
Speaker B:Yeah, Hormi.
Speaker A:Okay, here we go.
Speaker C:I'm a need some whiskey glass.
Speaker A:At least I've got coffee.
Speaker A:Top bill cast.
Speaker A:So for our top bill, our highest paid folks were Alexander Skarsgard, Nicole Kidman and Clay's bang as the Raven King.
Speaker A:What do you guys think?
Speaker C:I think they fucking killed it.
Speaker C:Like, I think every single one of them did an incredible job.
Speaker C:Alexander Skarsgard is already normally kind of ripped and just got even more like jacked for this movie.
Speaker C:Every line of dialogue he spoke, I felt like in my soul.
Speaker C:So yeah, I give it a Berserker Barely knower.
Speaker A:I met Fjolnir the Brotherless, by the way.
Speaker A:Clay's being his FJ owner.
Speaker A:I kept mixing up Ethan Hawke.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker B:I get that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I wonder how far behind Bjork was.
Speaker A:On that, given she's pretty far down the list.
Speaker C:She was barely in the movie, so I doubt she was paid anywhere near as much as the others.
Speaker A:I'm looking.
Speaker A:She is.
Speaker A:She actually was, like, almost close to the bottom here.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I mean, she was in the movie for a total of like, two minutes.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:She got paid in third Eyestone things.
Speaker B:She got to own the volcano, that thing.
Speaker C:She got to keep the costumes.
Speaker A:We'll name this after you.
Speaker A:Mount Bjork.
Speaker B:She was like, finally, I have created the full circle.
Speaker A:Her music kind of sounds sometimes like an.
Speaker A:An erupting volcano.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:When she's like, you could easily put army of Me in the background of the fight.
Speaker C:That was a song.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So good.
Speaker A:What do you think?
Speaker B:I like it.
Speaker B:I mean, again, they all killed it.
Speaker B:I love the dialogue when Nicole Kidman and Alexander Skarsgrd.
Speaker B:And he's, like, learning the truth behind her beginnings as his mother.
Speaker B:And just like, the way they avoided how some not as talented directors would have that dialogue be written out.
Speaker B:Be like, yeah, it was.
Speaker B:It was good.
Speaker B:And the symbolism of.
Speaker B:Of scarring was really good, too.
Speaker B:And how they weren't just like, look at this.
Speaker B:It was more, like subtle, like.
Speaker B:Like a scar or something you just like, discover.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Body language.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Overall, they all deserved it.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:That's awesome.
Speaker A:And that's one of two things he made up for this movie.
Speaker A:Like, there's literally two or three things that didn't happen during this time period.
Speaker A:He said that there's no evidence that they actually did that to slaves, that they branded him.
Speaker A:But he said he needed kind of a through line.
Speaker A:And so he said it kind of makes sense.
Speaker A:Maybe they did this.
Speaker C:Maybe they did.
Speaker C:I mean, as you said, in that particular time period, apparently there's just not much to go off of.
Speaker C:So it was a common thing to do to slaves around the world.
Speaker C:So that makes sense.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:But you have to say it.
Speaker C:You have to say the thing.
Speaker A:You have to say the thing.
Speaker B:You have to say it.
Speaker B:Thing.
Speaker B:And then you have to.
Speaker C:Oh, no, you.
Speaker C:You have to say the thing.
Speaker B:What thing?
Speaker C:The Berserker.
Speaker B:Hardly know.
Speaker A:You don't have to say it every time.
Speaker A:If it's not.
Speaker A:If you don't dig it, you can Just say berserker.
Speaker A:It's fine.
Speaker A:And I didn't know this woman.
Speaker A:Berserker means bear warrior.
Speaker A:I did not know that.
Speaker A:That's pretty cool.
Speaker C:Also, in that time period, they would actually.
Speaker C:Well, they would do two things.
Speaker C:They would paint themselves blue and run into battle completely naked.
Speaker C:Not even with the loincloth.
Speaker C:But then they would also those mushrooms that they took in in the, the, the like past the rite of passage scene.
Speaker C:That was something that berserkers would take.
Speaker C:They would take mushrooms rooms and just be tripping balls.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker C:So that they had no fear and would just run and beat the out of people.
Speaker B:Man.
Speaker C:That was a whole thing.
Speaker C:Like it's kind of crazy.
Speaker B:Wish I would have known that in high school.
Speaker A:Yeah, I know, right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I just needed that to ask someone to the dance.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, not to burn down a village, but you know, just like, hey, do you want to go to the dance?
Speaker B:Why is Kyle talking to a wall?
Speaker A:He's asking it to the dance.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Him with his 14 zits on his nose.
Speaker C:Her name is Wally.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A:Wally's a babe.
Speaker A:I also go berserker barely nowhere.
Speaker A:I, I trying to find something I don't like here.
Speaker A:But I, I'm gonna go on a limb and say this is my favorite Nicole Kidman role ever.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I haven't really seen a bold statement, sir.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:I've seen a lot of her work.
Speaker A:I, I haven't seen her play this note, man.
Speaker A:She was, man.
Speaker A:When at first I'm not noticing it.
Speaker A:Like, it's like she's just kind of in the background.
Speaker A:But when she is telling him.
Speaker A:You pointed this out.
Speaker A:The history.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Of what?
Speaker A:And like how intentional she was about this whole thing.
Speaker A:I was like, damn, that's, I haven't seen Nicole.
Speaker A:And I was very like, that was vindictive, man.
Speaker A:Like, I was totally sold.
Speaker A:And I mean, I think Scarsgard.
Speaker A:I mean, I like all the scars guards.
Speaker C:Oh yeah.
Speaker A:Even though Bill keeps reprising my favorite roles and ruining them.
Speaker A:The crowd.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker C:That was not his fault.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker C:That was a check.
Speaker C:Pennywise is cool, but Pennywise is great.
Speaker C:Knows Count Orlok is insane.
Speaker A:I can't wait to see it.
Speaker C:Oh my God.
Speaker B:Pennywise.
Speaker C:Here's something I will say about Nicole Kidman.
Speaker C:I, I think this one is tied for first with two other roles for me.
Speaker C:Her role in Big Little Lies, which I've always described as the best filmed soap opera I've ever seen.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Very over dramatic.
Speaker C:But I just accept it because it's that's what it is.
Speaker C:And she destroys that role.
Speaker C:But the other one I think that ties this for me is her role in Dogville.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, wow.
Speaker A:I don't know that I've seen Dogville.
Speaker B:I don't think so either.
Speaker C:It's Lars von Trier's tamest film.
Speaker A:Oh, that's right.
Speaker C:And it's the one where they shot it in a soundstage.
Speaker C:And if it's daytime, the background's nothing but white.
Speaker C:If it's night, the background's nothing but black.
Speaker C:But all of the set, like, all the locations are painted in outlines on the ground.
Speaker C:And then they have specific set pieces like a shop window, but there's a.
Speaker C:There's no door.
Speaker C:But everyone knows where the door is.
Speaker C:So they'll make the action as if they're opening the door.
Speaker C:And then he puts sound design in so it sounds really walking on dirt or walking on wood or opening the door.
Speaker C:She absolutely dominates in that role.
Speaker C:It is again.
Speaker C:And that's the thing.
Speaker C:All three of these roles for me are so vastly different and unique as far as how she plays them, but they're perfect examples of her going to 110 10.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:She's just been doing so much TV lately, I forget a little bit of her filmography.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So, yeah, the Bell Court had a whole series of her films.
Speaker C:I saw Dog, Villain, Eyes Wide Shut there.
Speaker C:Both insanely good roles for her.
Speaker C:But, yeah, I would say Dogville, Big Little Lies in this are my top three for her.
Speaker B:Was she Oscar nominated for Bombshell with Margot robbing on them?
Speaker C:I do not know.
Speaker B:Yeah, because, like, she was.
Speaker B:She was pretty good in that too.
Speaker B:But, like, I agree, this one was because, like, the one thing I like, and I'm going back to the dialogue between her and Alexander Skarsgard is like, normally if I, like, watched a period movie and, like, the mom's coming on to literally her son, like, in the movie, I'd be like, this is kind of a weird interruption even.
Speaker B:It might be.
Speaker B:Even though it might be historically accurate.
Speaker B:It's very hard to pull off.
Speaker B:But she created this transition.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And, yeah, it was.
Speaker A:It seemed like the next step.
Speaker A:Like, it just seemed natural to how she presented it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah, Totally agree.
Speaker A:That's a good point.
Speaker A:I wasn't really freaked out by it.
Speaker A:I was just more like, she's on a terror right now.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:She wants.
Speaker A:She won't stop until, like, she's got, like, she's, like, planning, she's conniving.
Speaker A:Like, she is the mastermind.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker B:It's kind of like, you know, it's like the dirtiest thing I'll probably ever say.
Speaker B:It's kind of like a scared boner, you know?
Speaker B:I imagine you're just like, wow, okay, Mommy.
Speaker C:Why?
Speaker A:All right, Mom.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, it's weird.
Speaker C:That is.
Speaker C:You know, that's something I didn't even think about.
Speaker C:But, yeah, she is, like.
Speaker C:It's almost like she's attracted, in her character, at least in this movie, to, like, slightly weaker men.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Ethan Hawke's character.
Speaker C:She.
Speaker C:Obviously there was a point where she was attracted to him, otherwise, she wouldn't have, like, willingly lived in that as long as she did.
Speaker C:She would have probably found a way out of it.
Speaker C:And, I mean, it did take her out of slavery, but, like, I don't know, she.
Speaker C:She seemed to get with men that she could manipulate in the way that she needed it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:All he cared about was war.
Speaker A:I mean, even when she, like, tried to get him to go to bed with her, he was like, no, I'm gonna go with my son and we're gonna go.
Speaker A:Like, I'm gonna take him on the path to become a warrior.
Speaker A:Like, that's literally all he cared about.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, he was very tunnel vision.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And, like, you know, he's the only one who didn't have that, which is hence the pillaging.
Speaker A:The revolve.
Speaker A:The pillaging.
Speaker A:This is all pre iPhone.
Speaker A:That's when it stopped whenever the computer came out.
Speaker A:It's like, all right, let's stop it with the axes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Steve Jobs was just in a field.
Speaker B:He's like, there is so much pillaging.
Speaker A:Imagine if you could listen to Phil Collins from your pocket on demand.
Speaker A:You would stop killing all these people and burning down their huts.
Speaker C:Imagine if you could listen to the Deftones.
Speaker A:Oh, my God, that's hilarious.
Speaker A:Oh, I'll have to send you the video so he knows what he's talking about.
Speaker A:One of our most viral videos is just because the comments are just lambasting me because I said the Deftones.
Speaker A:Because it was in a moment of passion, and I love Deftones, but I said the.
Speaker A:And now I'm the criminal of the century.
Speaker A:Yeah, but, hey, it made us viral.
Speaker C:I mean, it's almost as bad as me saying that Clark Kent is the human part of Superman.
Speaker C:He's Kryptonian.
Speaker C:No, Kal El is Kryptonian.
Speaker C:Clark Kent is a human being, asshole.
Speaker A:Who cares?
Speaker A:Zack Snyder's an idiot.
Speaker C:Oh, shut up.
Speaker A:Okay, Snyder supporting cast is one sword.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, you do I'm getting.
Speaker A:I'm becoming more aware.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Of the swords one to zero.
Speaker A:We are nearly burning this down.
Speaker A:Supporting cast.
Speaker A:Ethan Hawke is King.
Speaker A:Arvandale War.
Speaker A:Raven.
Speaker A:Anya, Taylor, Joy, Olga.
Speaker A:The Birch Force.
Speaker A:I didn't even know she had a last name.
Speaker A:Gustav Lind is Thorir the Proud.
Speaker A:There's so many Elliot Roses, Gunner Willem.
Speaker A:Dafoe is Hemir the Fool.
Speaker A:And then there's so many more.
Speaker A:I'm trying to get to the 1Stellen.
Speaker C:Scars guards in there.
Speaker A:Stellan.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And then Bjork as the C Risk.
Speaker A:And those are the ones that kind of.
Speaker A:Oh, I'll go ahead and say Elder Scar as Finner, the nose dub since he had a rando.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:What do you think?
Speaker C:I mean, once again, like, I have to go.
Speaker C:Berserker barely know.
Speaker C:Or like they.
Speaker C:There's so few times where there's no single misses on any member of the cast, be it an extra, be it a one line character, be it a recurring character.
Speaker C:Like there is not a single misstep here.
Speaker C:Every single person, whatever large or little role they played on screen, every single person was convincing to me.
Speaker C:Not a single person felt out of place.
Speaker C:Every now and then, like there's.
Speaker C:There's a clip going around of.
Speaker C:From the second Doctor Strange movie or when he's sitting in the church about to watch the wedding, there's a woman right over his shoulder, just over the top, like, oh, I'm talking to this person.
Speaker C:And now I'm talking to this person.
Speaker C:And it's like the moment you realize that it is so distracting.
Speaker C:Not a single incident of this in this movie.
Speaker C:You're completely immersed.
Speaker B:It feels like an SNL sketch.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's funny.
Speaker C:So, yeah, Berserker barely know her.
Speaker B:Yeah, Berserker barely know her.
Speaker A:Wellingly.
Speaker B:I think that like it's.
Speaker B:It's hard too when you do period movies with kids because it has to be also a very selective process.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because like in the Gladiator, you know, like the kids are just.
Speaker B:They're just dead in right away in the movie.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But like he had to carry a little bit of weight like during the game.
Speaker B:Like I.
Speaker B:I don't know how to pronounce it, but like, you know, basically Quidditch for Norse.
Speaker A:I know it just divulged into beating each other with sticks.
Speaker C:That sounds like Norse games.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:They've seen rugby.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:They're just like, this is boring.
Speaker B:How about we start killing people?
Speaker A:That was the equivalent to like a primitive like kegger gone Wrong at a frat house.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know, instead of someone doing too much blow, you just beat the out of school with your head.
Speaker B:And then the president's like, look, he brought us, obviously, loyalty.
Speaker B:Have any of the women at your disposal?
Speaker B:I'm like, oh, man, I'm so glad I joined this frag.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's amazing.
Speaker A:We evolved with all the headbutting.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, it's like, you just think that would have been a delay.
Speaker A:Like our strongest, most dominant men, you know, that.
Speaker A:That wage these wars in history utilizing the headbutt.
Speaker A:Like, yes, they're.
Speaker A:They're conquering and pillaging, but at the same time, they're killing so many brain cells.
Speaker A:I mean, it's just like, how did.
Speaker C:We advance the mushrooms?
Speaker C:They reap, replenished them.
Speaker A:It's true.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Or they just, you know, we didn't have X rays back then.
Speaker B:It's not real.
Speaker C:CTE wasn't a thing back then.
Speaker A:Life expectancy of 26 and a half.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:I also go berserker.
Speaker A:Barely knower.
Speaker A:I struggled a little bit.
Speaker A:And this is really more situational.
Speaker A:And that's because of the podcast.
Speaker A:Like, I.
Speaker A:In the same week I had to do, I did Furiosa up with Matthew Blevins, and then I was doing all the research on this at the same time.
Speaker A:And so I'm seeing Anya barely talk and then her talking a lot here.
Speaker A:And I'm watching all these Furiosa interviews with her British accent, and I'm having a hard time, like, keeping it straight in my mind because I've watched so much Anya in the past two weeks.
Speaker A:But sometimes maybe it's a hesitation.
Speaker A:I'm just.
Speaker A:But I'm like, does she go out of accent a little bit periodically in this movie?
Speaker A:I feel like her accent is not consistent in the north metal.
Speaker C:I didn't.
Speaker C:I didn't notice.
Speaker A:There are moments where I'm like, you went British there.
Speaker C:I mean, that's the thing though, is, is there are parts of British that are very influenced by the Norse action.
Speaker C:Like, because you did have that whole time period.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Where the Norse came and completely sacked all of England.
Speaker C:Like they.
Speaker C:They owned England for the longest time.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Them.
Speaker C:So I don't know.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:I didn't notice it.
Speaker C:I wouldn't necessarily be surprised because this is a pretty, you know, extensive film and there might be.
Speaker C:But I didn't notice.
Speaker C:I didn't notice it.
Speaker B:I didn't know slip ups until you just, like, mentioned it.
Speaker A:Go back and watch it.
Speaker A:You can't Help it.
Speaker A:It's going to be like a subconscious bias now.
Speaker C:For me, instead of Anya, it was the fact that I've watched two Ethan Hawk movies in a row where he's playing such polar opposite characters because he's such a.
Speaker C:Before the devil knows you're dying.
Speaker C:And then this.
Speaker C:He's.
Speaker C:He's a very like regal.
Speaker C:And it's just.
Speaker C:It was very interesting seeing both sides of that.
Speaker A:I didn't recognize him at first.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:When I watched it, I was trying to find him.
Speaker B:I'm like.
Speaker B:Because I didn't.
Speaker B:I just.
Speaker B:I never researched before I watched.
Speaker B:I was like, maybe he's the kid.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:They de.
Speaker A:Aged him.
Speaker C:Boyhood in reverse.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:But yeah, and again, I liked on you here.
Speaker A:It's hard when I do so much research and two movies in a row.
Speaker A:I hear her just hating everything she's doing on the set because of where she is.
Speaker A:But ultimately both directors said she's amazing.
Speaker A:She's dedicated.
Speaker A:She's also the person that keeps everybody on track.
Speaker A:She's also the hardest working actress today.
Speaker A:I mean, she is.
Speaker A:I feel like she's.
Speaker A:Every six months she's coming out with a show and a movie at the same time.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:She's incredible.
Speaker A:But I was just.
Speaker A:I'm a little.
Speaker A:I was just a little on you out.
Speaker A:You know, she.
Speaker A:It's more like Anya Taylor Misery.
Speaker C:But Anya Taylor sad.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:What I will say is.
Speaker A:First thing a question.
Speaker A:How many amazing side roles is Willem Dafoe gonna rack up up?
Speaker A:He's one of the best actors of all time, but so many of his great roles are just side characters.
Speaker C:He's in his side quest era.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:He's just so good.
Speaker C:He's just doing everything he wants to do and more like.
Speaker B:Well, how old is the guy now?
Speaker C:Late 60s.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:We have the technology.
Speaker B:Yeah, I guess I don't.
Speaker C:How old is Willem Dafoe?
Speaker B:He is 82.
Speaker C:69.
Speaker A:He's 69.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:I wouldn't have guessed that.
Speaker A:Loved him in Platoon.
Speaker A:And of course Bjork.
Speaker A:Great job.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, we barely.
Speaker C:Let's get more Bjork in movies.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Bjork, we're so glad you're back.
Speaker A:I love your music.
Speaker A:Do some more movies.
Speaker A:Yeah, just stay away from the Lars.
Speaker A:Yeah, he's a bad dude.
Speaker A:I don't like him either.
Speaker A:He just, he.
Speaker A:I go in to watch the Lars movie thinking it's exactly for me and then all of a sudden I'm just seeing genitals getting Smashed with a hammer.
Speaker A:And I'm like, this isn't for me.
Speaker C:I mean, that's.
Speaker C:You should never watch Antichrist.
Speaker A:I know, but, like, again, the marketing, it looked interesting and I was like, oh, Defoe is in it.
Speaker A:That looks interesting.
Speaker A:It was my first Von Trier movie.
Speaker A:That's probably.
Speaker C:That's interesting.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Now that I think about it.
Speaker A:That's why I haven't seen Dogtown, because I worked backwards.
Speaker A:I went melancholia, I went Antichrist.
Speaker A:And then I was never going to watch another one again.
Speaker C:Yeah, this one's very different for him.
Speaker C:Like, it.
Speaker C:Like I said, it's his most tame movie.
Speaker C:I think you would enjoy it.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:All right, Lars, I'll give you a second chance, even though you're a dick.
Speaker C:The House that Jack Built is also very good.
Speaker A:I hear he stacks up dead.
Speaker A:Dead children in that movie.
Speaker C:I mean, lots of dead people.
Speaker A:Yeah, but there's.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:He's a.
Speaker C:He's a non discriminating.
Speaker C:He's an equal opportunity killer.
Speaker B:So a sadist.
Speaker B:All right, all right.
Speaker A:Two to zero.
Speaker A:The hay is on fire.
Speaker A:I can see the Valhalla afterlife here.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:Writing.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And beside Robert Eggers shown, who's an Icelandic writer and poet and author like that.
Speaker C:He just has one name.
Speaker A:Me too.
Speaker A:I want that for myself.
Speaker C:Yeah, just.
Speaker C:I want to just be.
Speaker B:Where do you go?
Speaker B:Where you'd be.
Speaker B:Kyle.
Speaker A:No, something.
Speaker A:We got to find something from our Filipino heritage.
Speaker C:Oh, I thought you would just go by Kai.
Speaker A:Kai.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Listen, psa.
Speaker A:I have met so many people with deviations of my name.
Speaker A:Kyler.
Speaker C:Kyler.
Speaker A:I had someone at a Starbucks spell my first name wrong.
Speaker A:K I, L, E.
Speaker A:And they asked me how to spell it and I said K Y, L, E.
Speaker A:And they still spelled it.
Speaker A:It's not hard.
Speaker B:They just do K A, L, E.
Speaker B:Kale.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Dear God.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, man.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:You know, I do think this is his second best script.
Speaker C:This is.
Speaker C:Again, there are certain technical reasons why I'm like, the Lighthouse is his best film.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker C:But I.
Speaker C:I just love this one.
Speaker C:The dialogue.
Speaker C:The thing I've noticed, and I've only seen a couple of, like, the Scandinavian, like, films, the thing I have noticed is their.
Speaker C:Their speech is kind of stilted in general, just.
Speaker C:Just in their cadence.
Speaker C:And it translates really interestingly over into English.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And I think everyone, whether or not they were Scandinavian, hit that cadence really well.
Speaker C:And I think the writing is probably what carried that over because you look.
Speaker C:You look at Shakespeare, everything's written in iambic pentameter.
Speaker C:And because it has a very specific cadence that Shakespeare wanted his actors to follow.
Speaker A:Pentameter.
Speaker C:This.
Speaker C:Not in the same way, but in a similar way hits that.
Speaker C:That stride.
Speaker C:So for me, yeah, it's definitely Berserker.
Speaker C:Barely know her.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Berserker.
Speaker B:Barely know her.
Speaker B:I just.
Speaker B:It's kind of like that thing with.
Speaker C:Like, he just rushes through it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Berserker.
Speaker B:Barely know her.
Speaker B:Well, it's kind of like, you know how, like, some people in, like, comedy, like.
Speaker B:Well, we know this would be like, that joke's a bad read.
Speaker A:Wrong room.
Speaker B:But, like, I just felt.
Speaker B:I don't know, like, I've seen this with the Lighthouse.
Speaker B:To him, like, I felt like I was reading and watching.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Which.
Speaker B:Which makes it more of an immersive experience.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, again, I mean, like, Nicole Kidman's just dialogue with just the reveal of his beginnings, which is so great.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because I was like.
Speaker B:It didn't see.
Speaker B:I could tell that these were things that, you know, were very carefully written.
Speaker B:But, like, that's also how they just talked, too.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, I could believe it.
Speaker B:And in the Lighthouse, you know, when he gives, like, that full dialogue, William Defoe's character, like, about the.
Speaker B:And that essentially got him nominated for the Oscar, I was like, wow, this is.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I think the camera work had a lot to do with that, too, actually, in the lighting.
Speaker B:But I don't know, it was just.
Speaker C:You know, what the.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker C:Like, the dialogue in this.
Speaker C:And even though it's very different, it reminded me of the dialogue in the Coen Brothers True Grit, where when you watch that movie, everyone in the movie speaks the way that writing was back then.
Speaker C:There are very few contractions.
Speaker C:They.
Speaker C:They.
Speaker C:Instead of saying can't, they.
Speaker C:They'll say cannot.
Speaker C:Like, things like that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And if you don't have the proper direction, it can sound very strange.
Speaker C:But for whatever reason, like, when I watch that movie, when I watch True Grit, it sounds like I'm in an actual Western time period.
Speaker C:And I think that's what happens with this is it's written in such a perfect way that you don't feel like people are reading theatrical lines.
Speaker C:You feel like they're just speaking into what's happening.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Kind of like, what marriage.
Speaker B:Do you want to go between the actor in the script or the language and the portrayal?
Speaker B:Kind of like stuff like that.
Speaker B:Sorry, my headphones kind of going in that.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, I go.
Speaker A:I go, berserker.
Speaker A:Barely Nowhere here.
Speaker A:And the thing is, I know the writing is probably where it lost the non.
Speaker A:Edgar's crew, you know, and.
Speaker A:And which I get.
Speaker A:But the thing is, is that when it comes to.
Speaker A:Specifically to the epic genre, and I'm going to continue to call it an epic, because I do think this is an epic in the truest sense.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:It sent me looking for more.
Speaker A:I wanted.
Speaker A:Like, I was reading it, like you said, which.
Speaker A:That's Mel Gibson's thing.
Speaker A:Like, he.
Speaker A:He actually was the first person to say, yeah, apocalyptic.
Speaker A:You're gonna be reading the whole time.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And same with Passion of the Christ, because, like, it's going to be immersive and people are going to love it.
Speaker A:And that ended up being the case.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And that's the case here.
Speaker A:And I.
Speaker A:I like not a lot of movies.
Speaker A:Like, I will watch movies and love them, but not a lot of movies I watch and then say, I'm gonna go read a bunch of books.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, you know, like, I'm gonna go like that.
Speaker A:And I read a lot anyway, but not a lot of history.
Speaker A:History.
Speaker A:But now I'm like, I want to know everything.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:About Norse mythology and everything that happened here.
Speaker A:And Edgar's made that happen for me.
Speaker A:And also another shout out.
Speaker A:We didn't mention him in the supporting cast, but Ingvar Sigurdson.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:He played the he witch.
Speaker B:Oh, okay.
Speaker A:His dialogue.
Speaker A:That was kind of the lighthouse moment where Defoe goes on that crazy rant.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, that.
Speaker A:Crazy in that language.
Speaker A:You remember that?
Speaker B:When he's just like shanty, essentially.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:He's out of his mind.
Speaker A:That was kind of that moment in this movie for me.
Speaker A:The he witch kind of stole the show for a minute there.
Speaker A:I was like, holy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I loved it.
Speaker A:The writing here is like.
Speaker A:And I just.
Speaker A:I want more of this.
Speaker A:I want more Eggers.
Speaker A:I want more directors.
Speaker C:Like, the werewolf film is gonna be nuts, dude.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:13th century, right?
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Did you hear about this?
Speaker B:I did hear about that.
Speaker C:And then he's also doing a labyrinth sequel.
Speaker C:That'll be fascinating.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:No, I'm very curious to see what.
Speaker B:I'm almost more interested in that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:3 to 0.
Speaker A:We are singeing our genitals next to a volcano.
Speaker A:It's going well.
Speaker B:It's getting hot.
Speaker A:Getting really hot in here.
Speaker A:Directing Robert Eggers.
Speaker C:I mean, fucking perfect.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Again, there's a reason this one's my favorite.
Speaker C:Even though I can point to so many of the things I think the lighting is better in, in and in the Lighthouse.
Speaker C:Here's the thing I've noticed with him is, is he does love very dramatic darks and lights.
Speaker C:He doesn't even necessarily like, focus on the color scheme as much.
Speaker C:He uses a lot of oranges and blues to go with firelight or nighttime.
Speaker C:But like, beyond that, he loves his very dark darks and his very light lights and he uses as much natural lighting as possible.
Speaker C:And even though technically this could go in the what's in front of us category, it's very much you look at a shot that he is.
Speaker C:That he's done and you know, it's an Eggers shot.
Speaker C:Same with a Christopher Nolan shot or same with a Tarantino shot.
Speaker C:Like, you just know that he's the one who planned that out.
Speaker C:And it's like there's so many little meticulous things in this that it's just.
Speaker C:It's so good.
Speaker C:And yes, Berserker.
Speaker C:Barely know her.
Speaker C:He is a fucking master of a director and I cannot wait to see more from him.
Speaker A:Love it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I think that's why the.
Speaker B:The he which stole the show is because of that lighting.
Speaker B:Honestly too.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because the dialogue was strong, you know, but in the.
Speaker B:But you know, it's just.
Speaker B:I don't know, man.
Speaker A:Just.
Speaker B:He's killing it right now.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm interested to see how many films he ends up producing.
Speaker B:I'm also surprised he wasn't nominated for award for that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because.
Speaker C:Oh, I'm not again.
Speaker C:This is only his third film.
Speaker C:Most new directors don't get nominated for big things until past their, like seventh or eighth film.
Speaker C:The fact that Peter Jackson got nominated for Return of the King, I mean, for all the Lord of the Rings is kind of an outlier, an anomaly to the system.
Speaker C:Like, they don't really like giving new directors the big titles.
Speaker B:Even though the Lighthouse was nominated for.
Speaker B:I mean, only like two, but two, not two.
Speaker C:Was he nominated for director?
Speaker B:No, he wasn't.
Speaker B:Best lighting and best.
Speaker B:Was it screenplay?
Speaker C:Probably, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:That's the thing is they like, like Christopher Nolan was nominated for best editing and I think best Screenplay, Memento.
Speaker C:And then it wasn't nominated for anything else until the Dark Knight.
Speaker C:And so that's just kind of how it goes with the Oscars.
Speaker C:They, they, they like gatekeeping until they see you're actually going to make a real career out of it.
Speaker A:I hate the.
Speaker C:It's annoying.
Speaker A:The Academy is the most corrupt organization this side of Tyson Chicken.
Speaker B:I agree.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So I'm not.
Speaker C:I'm disappointed, but I'm not surprised that it wasn't nominated for more.
Speaker C:It also kind of really flew under the radar, like you said, because of when it came out, how it was marketed versus how the movie actually was flopped.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:I feel like a lot of people in the Oscars weren't really paying attention to Eggers at the time.
Speaker C:I think Nosferatu is going to change a lot for him.
Speaker C:Like, I.
Speaker C:Even though he was only nominated for four this time, I think the movie itself is going to set him up as a actual auteur that they'll start paying attention to.
Speaker B:Yeah, Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Berserker.
Speaker A:Berserker.
Speaker B:Barely know her.
Speaker A:Barely know her.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Trying to say like a north.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:Real creepy with that one.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C: We're a: Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:In a world.
Speaker A:In a world.
Speaker A:I also go berserker.
Speaker A:Barely know her.
Speaker A:I mean, I don't know what else you can say.
Speaker A:I did want to say one more thing about the coloration of the.
Speaker A:Some of these scenes.
Speaker A:You know, he.
Speaker A:The scene with Bjork, he purposely pulled all the reds out.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it's so funny because, like, in a different context.
Speaker A:That's one of the ugliest colors.
Speaker A:It really is.
Speaker A:It's like concrete.
Speaker A:It's blue.
Speaker A:But it made so much sense.
Speaker A:And you're so like in the way Skarsgard is not blinking and staring and her visual.
Speaker A:You're just so pulled in, you're not even thinking about how the fact that this is the coldest shot.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:I've ever seen, color wise.
Speaker C:So that's also the thing is they're.
Speaker C:They're literally in one of the coldest places in the world.
Speaker C:Like, it is freezing when you get up to that.
Speaker C:Those longitudes.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's like you.
Speaker C:You want to some.
Speaker C:Especially when everything else is lit by firelight when it's not.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Just natural sunlight.
Speaker C:You need to have some weird contrast.
Speaker C:And you could do what George Miller did in Fury Road and have the.
Speaker C:The bright oranges and then the very deep blues when you hit night.
Speaker C:But it makes more sense with his old school filmmaking style to pull it into more of that gray, silver kind of blue than like the deep blues of it.
Speaker B:Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker C:I like it.
Speaker C:I think it's a very unique way to do it.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, the Fury Road approach for this movie would be pretty insane.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Deep saturation of like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:This is one of the few movies I Would actually love to see a black and white remaster of.
Speaker C:Yeah, I think it would be very interesting to see him do something like that.
Speaker C:Fury Road was one of the few I've seen that worked really well because that's how he originally wanted to do it, was.
Speaker C:He wanted it to be black and white.
Speaker C:The studio was like, no, you.
Speaker C:But when he did his black and chrome version, it.
Speaker C:It.
Speaker C:You could tell that he always had black and white in mind when he shot that.
Speaker C:And I think this would lend itself to that styling very well.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:They found a compromise.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:They shook hands.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's always weird when they do let a black and white, like Sin City or something like that.
Speaker A:When do they let that happen?
Speaker A:It's so random.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:I mean, it just really depends, I think.
Speaker C:And even then, like, Sin City, wasn't that based on a comic?
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:So I think that's why.
Speaker C:Where it's like red was the only color that came through the comic.
Speaker B:Well, doesn't violence have, like, a typical factor in that too?
Speaker B:Like if.
Speaker B:Because the kill bill wasn't one of the scenes in black and white.
Speaker B:So it could avoid being NC17.
Speaker A:I think so, yeah.
Speaker A:I haven't watched him in a while.
Speaker C:But that would make sense.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It was like something weird.
Speaker B:But I think that's also one of the deciding Factors.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:4 to 0.
Speaker A:Like an axe to the brain here.
Speaker A:What's in.
Speaker A:What is in front of us.
Speaker A:And that is cinematography, production design, sound, costumes and editing.
Speaker C:I also think we should add stunt choreography to this stunt.
Speaker C:Well, for this movie specifically, just because the fighting and.
Speaker C:And the stunt choreography was so damn good.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:It felt visceral.
Speaker C:It felt real.
Speaker C:None of it felt overly rehearsed.
Speaker C:Like, even though just as someone who knows what stunt fighting looks like, it didn't feel like that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Kind of like John Wick.
Speaker C:It felt so well rehearsed that it just flowed naturally.
Speaker C:So for me, it's a berserker, barely knower.
Speaker C:We've been talking about the lighting of this movie.
Speaker C:It is absolutely incredible.
Speaker C:The coloration, the way that.
Speaker C:Just the way that he sets up the visuals.
Speaker C:I think it's a very unique approach to him.
Speaker C:Movie like this.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, the fighting, it's not.
Speaker B:It's like, sometimes you'll see a movie, you'll be like, I think they're doing Krav Maga.
Speaker B: But it's like: Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And you're like.
Speaker B:But like, these are just savages who are like, I'm gonna use Bare bone and grit.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So that was.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like we've talked about Bjork.
Speaker B:Cosmic design was so on point.
Speaker B:And, like, the he witch, just the presentation, so great.
Speaker B:Really, like the nudity.
Speaker A:Really, like, the genitals.
Speaker C:Love the dicks.
Speaker A:Love it.
Speaker C:But I mean, even, like, what you were saying about the Hel.
Speaker C:Like, the fact that we don't really have many relics from that time period.
Speaker C:So he was like, okay, what came before, what came after?
Speaker C:How do we kind of.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Bridge that gap?
Speaker C:And like, that is attention to detail that a lot of directors don't have today.
Speaker C:Today they would just be like, oh, here's what a Viking helmet looks like.
Speaker C:And they'd put horns on it.
Speaker C:And, like, you're gonna be this historically accurate.
Speaker C:It has to look perfect.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, even the prophecy scene, you know, like, they could have been very corny.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:But, like, the way that the bloodline is literally, like, the blood is so thin to, like, kind of symbolize our actual veins and how small they are.
Speaker B:Like, that's pretty unique way of doing that.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So berserker.
Speaker A:Oh, well done.
Speaker A:I don't do accents.
Speaker A:That was really well done.
Speaker A:I was really great.
Speaker A:I also go berserker.
Speaker A:Barely know her.
Speaker A:No one.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:The details here are just so magnificent.
Speaker A:I love, loved that I learned what a berserker, what that word meant.
Speaker A:And then I rewatched it with the commentary.
Speaker A:I was like, oh, they got bear.
Speaker A:They got the bare skins on.
Speaker A:And like.
Speaker A:Yeah, there's this.
Speaker A:It's just so great.
Speaker A:And I also love my favorite, like, one of my favorite epic kills was Skarsgard jumping off the.
Speaker A:At the very beginning.
Speaker A:Jumping off that, like, roof.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he's, like, high up in the air and he, like, floats down and hits the guy off the horse.
Speaker A:I was like, I love that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And again, it didn't feel fantastical.
Speaker C:It felt like an actual thing someone would have done.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:This is really Viking simulator is what this movie is.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:They just make the Northman the game.
Speaker A:Yeah, it is it really?
Speaker C:I would play that.
Speaker C:Absolutely.
Speaker C:I would play that.
Speaker B:Do it, Robert.
Speaker A:Do it.
Speaker A:I love the.
Speaker A:I love the cinematography too.
Speaker B:Man.
Speaker A:Iceland just breathes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's just so beautiful.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And I love how empty.
Speaker A:And I.
Speaker A:I love just.
Speaker A:I love Icelandic music.
Speaker A:I'm a huge cigar roast fan.
Speaker A:Like, I just.
Speaker A:I'm kind of slow, a little bit obsessed with just things that.
Speaker A:Not that I know a lot about it, but just everything I encounter out of Iceland, like, I just love.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So it's really cool.
Speaker A:Again, it sent me.
Speaker A:It sent me looking at more to learn more about this stuff.
Speaker A:So everything's great.
Speaker A:So Berserker.
Speaker A:Barely know her.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And like a mushroom fueled murder tirade.
Speaker A:We are at 5 to 0.
Speaker A:We are at beyond the point of no return.
Speaker A:But we got two bro categories here.
Speaker C:Here we go.
Speaker A:To quote Mad Max, make it epic is the next category.
Speaker C:When did he say that?
Speaker A:What is it in Furioso is like.
Speaker A:But can you make it epic when he's challenging.
Speaker A:When he's challenging her to kill him.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah, I've seen the clip.
Speaker C:I haven't seen.
Speaker A:Let me make sure it's right.
Speaker B:It's like a gif.
Speaker B:Actually, I think that's out there.
Speaker A:Furiosa quote.
Speaker A:I'm gonna have to edit this, so.
Speaker C:Wait, was.
Speaker C:Was that that.
Speaker C:Was that Chris Hemsworth?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Ah, okay.
Speaker A:Do you have it in you to make it epic?
Speaker B:And he's.
Speaker A:He's challenging.
Speaker A:I just gave it.
Speaker A:You haven't seen it yet?
Speaker C:No.
Speaker A:Damn it, dude.
Speaker A:I didn't mean to give that away.
Speaker C:Ah, whatever.
Speaker C:It's a line.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Just take one point out the board.
Speaker A:Jesus.
Speaker A:We just want a rabbit trail because this guy hasn't seen the movie.
Speaker A:I'm just kidding.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:But do you have it in you to make it epic?
Speaker C:I was watching more important movies like Nosferatu too.
Speaker A:Yes, sir.
Speaker A:Yeah, well, Matthew Blevins and I shat on Furiosa as two die hard Mad Max fans.
Speaker A:Like Road Warrior is a top 50 movie for me.
Speaker A:So this is based on the fact that this is an epic.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But also the.
Speaker A:The way it was made did not jive with a lot of people that were expecting Gladiator.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Braveheart.
Speaker A:So ranking this or.
Speaker A:Or viewing this as an epic, what do you give it?
Speaker C:I mean, definitely, I.
Speaker C:This is the thing.
Speaker C:Epic in like you're saying in the most traditional sense is a singular hero going on some sort of full fledged journey.
Speaker C:And you really do hit all seven points of the hero's journey in this story.
Speaker C:You start with that conflict and call to action.
Speaker C:And it really does end with the truest.
Speaker C:The hero sacrifices himself for the greater good.
Speaker C:Good.
Speaker C:It even along the way, like it.
Speaker C:It a lot of ways resembles the.
Speaker C:The Odyssey type of story where you do have these almost like allegoric parabolic moments of.
Speaker C:Of kind of taking you out of reality for a second with the visions and.
Speaker C:And with talking to these witches and.
Speaker C:And so no, I do think, like you said, it Hits that very traditional definition.
Speaker C:Unfortunately, Hollywood does what Hollywood does best and takes something great and morphs it into something formulaic to.
Speaker C:To a fault.
Speaker C:Even though there is a formula to the traditional kind of hero's journey.
Speaker C:It's gotten so watered down and so dumb down and like you keep saying over romanticized in movies such as Gladiator or Braveheart, which are two very good movies.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:But there's so little realism to those movies.
Speaker C:And so to watch an epic go back to its most traditional definition and really just follow the one character through this type of journey, I completely give it a berserker.
Speaker C:Like it is absolutely fantastic.
Speaker A:I love everything you said.
Speaker B:Aw yeah.
Speaker B:Touching again on the Hollywood part too.
Speaker B:It's just like I feel like in some epics like what is the downfall is more of a slip up when really like it was the.
Speaker B:In the Northman it felt like a really a callback to that call to action when he just has that prophecy and he's like.
Speaker B:He's more self determined than having a sign of weakness being his downfall.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like in Gladiator, you know, he's just kind of like.
Speaker B:I fought the ending the part like last third of the movie because it's like three and a half hours, right?
Speaker B:The Gladiator.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's like three hours.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:I feel like the last third of it was just kind of like a slower burn than.
Speaker B:Which is fine.
Speaker B:I don't mind in.
Speaker B:In that movie's particular case.
Speaker B:But in this it was more like just appropriate for an epic.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:It really brought true sense.
Speaker B:And maybe that's also speaking again to Robert Eggers youth in directing that he hasn't been so heavily influenced yet by whatever.
Speaker B:Don't get influence.
Speaker B:Don't do drugs.
Speaker B:Do you think they did drugs?
Speaker A:They did already.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:They literally.
Speaker A:You were too late that four seconds.
Speaker A:They.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:They're in jail too.
Speaker A:They're making drug dealers in jail now.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:This is about to be 5 to.
Speaker A:1 you say you're a clean comedian.
Speaker B:I would like to apologize to the good people of Nateland podcast.
Speaker C:But also please come on this podcast.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:No, it's berserker.
Speaker B:Barely knower though.
Speaker B:Just because I think that there are so many different swings, differences between the youth of Robert Eggers directorial like filmography as well as like just what have we seen over the last 20 years in epics that makes it like not the perfect one because I don't know what that would even look like.
Speaker B:But it's inching pretty close to it.
Speaker C:We'll find out after Nolan releases the Odyssey.
Speaker B:That is true, Robert.
Speaker B:You can do drugs.
Speaker A:All of them.
Speaker A:Peyote, masculine.
Speaker A:Whatever you got.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker B:I just made you.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It ruins your teeth.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But no other thing, so.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I also go berserker.
Speaker A:Barely know her.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I prefer this.
Speaker A:I did like Gladiator, and I loved.
Speaker A:I loved Braveheart, and those are great stories, but there is a lot.
Speaker A:I like what you said about Gladiator, that it kind of drags on towards the end.
Speaker A:I love this.
Speaker A:And the thing is, is, like, this is a singular journey, and it's because this guy's got nothing else to fall back on.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:This revenge, it's not like he's like, well, if I don't do this, I'm gonna go ahead and start that real estate business that I.
Speaker A:That I always thought I could do, you know?
Speaker C:I mean, it's like Inigo Montoya at the end of the Princess Bride, where he's just like, I've been in the revenge business for so long, I.
Speaker C:I don't know what to do with myself.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:This.
Speaker A:This guy is not starting, like, a Internet marketing firm.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:If this doesn't pan out, you know, this.
Speaker C:No Zuck dog.
Speaker B:Yeah, this.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I get paid.
Speaker A: I get paid: Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:This is not that.
Speaker A:I mean, this is the singular journey.
Speaker A:I mean, and this is all he has.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And there.
Speaker A:And he doesn't have a reward.
Speaker A:I think it's interesting, too.
Speaker A:He.
Speaker A:There is no reward.
Speaker A:Whether this happens or not for him.
Speaker A:It's not like there's something on the other side.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, this is his singular mission.
Speaker A:And then it just so happens that he gets her pregnant with twins.
Speaker C:And I do think there is a reward, because I guess his father very specifically told him, your duty as a man and as a warrior is, if I die, you avenge me.
Speaker C:And he literally has that moment where he's like, I will go avenge my father and then go meet him.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He got the best of both his parents, regardless of how crappy that situation.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, his father was, you know, just tunnel vision.
Speaker B:He was able to, you know, be an adult.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But it's not like there's a brand new car at the end of it, you know?
Speaker C:I mean, it's a brand new Valhalla.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Just these dads.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:But again, like, you.
Speaker C:You have that final shot of him literally going to Valhalla.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's beautiful.
Speaker C:It's such a cool way to give him that payoff.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Which I don't feel like you get out of, especially Hamlet.
Speaker C:Like Hamlet literally is just everybody dies.
Speaker C:At least with this there is that payoff of.
Speaker C:Even if it's just in his brain and, you know, whatever you believe about the afterlife.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:In his mind, he does get to go and be with his ancestors and prove that he was a warrior.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:At the same time, he's also leaving his offspring.
Speaker C:Like he has his bloodline continuing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Look, a Valkyrie.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And that was really cool because I don't know about you guys, but, like, I don't.
Speaker A:I'm not like an expert in any of these, like, mythologies.
Speaker A:And I'm.
Speaker A:I'm trying to get there with this one because I'm so interested now.
Speaker A:But like, it's not clear cut as like Christianity with heaven and hell.
Speaker A:Like a lot of the mythology you read around Valhalla or whatever that next step in life is, it's not necessarily like a paradise.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, like, there's a lot of ambiguity around what it actually means.
Speaker A:But like you said, it's like it's a warrior's reward.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so that makes it.
Speaker A:That I did think.
Speaker A:And I didn't really realize until you said it, but that was a huge payoff, actually, because there's not a ton of mythological elements.
Speaker A:Because even with the he witch stuff, you can always go back to saying, I think they're just on ergot right now.
Speaker A:You know, it's like, I don't like smoking drugs.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Even Bjork, it's just like she didn't notice the thing had fallen down and, you know.
Speaker A:But no, it's, it's, it's cool.
Speaker A:That was a really cool payoff.
Speaker A:So I, I did dig that.
Speaker A:But yeah, I think these are epics in the truest sense.
Speaker A:I want more of these.
Speaker A:And again, there's a place for Gladiator.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:That's a fun movie, but I love the realism.
Speaker A:I love the history lesson here.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's so stripped down and simple too.
Speaker C:Like, this is the most simple version of.
Speaker C:And I hate to even call it an action movie, but it is technically an action drama.
Speaker C:It's still the most simple version.
Speaker C:Version of that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it was weirdly presented as almost like a thriller in a way too.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Trailer.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:And that leads us to our last and final category at 6 to 0 here.
Speaker A:I call this one the Wrong side of History.
Speaker A:As everyone likes to say in the political room, you don't want to be on the wrong side of history.
Speaker A:Yeah, but this is just about, like.
Speaker A:So considering how historically accurate.
Speaker A:Accurate.
Speaker A:Eggers tries to be, what he does, what.
Speaker A:How do you feel about that?
Speaker A:Do.
Speaker A:And we kind of just talked about it in the last one, but, you know, this is just focusing on the historical aspect.
Speaker C:I mean, it's his personal style, and that's something.
Speaker C:I don't need it out of every movie, but it's something he's chosen to take on as his signature on a film.
Speaker C:And I love when a director just out the gate has their voice like that.
Speaker C:And so I think it really lends itself well to what he wants to do.
Speaker C:I don't think there are many other directors who could pull it off the way that he does.
Speaker C:Does.
Speaker C:I think for most other people trying to make a film like this, it might get 70% of the way there, and people would be like, that's good enough.
Speaker C:But for him, I.
Speaker C:I think it's just become such a part of his style that.
Speaker C:That he can't avoid it now.
Speaker C:Like, it's just that part of his brain can't turn it off.
Speaker C:So it's berserker.
Speaker C:Barely knower.
Speaker C:For me.
Speaker A:Love it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's berserk.
Speaker B:Because, honestly, like, it's just like.
Speaker B:I had no question.
Speaker B:Legends.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's just.
Speaker B:And it's like one of those things I like.
Speaker B:I don't know, like, when I watched.
Speaker B:I'm trying to.
Speaker B:What's another epic out there?
Speaker B:I just can't think.
Speaker B:I fit.
Speaker B:You guys got me on the gladiator.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:There's Braveheart.
Speaker B:Braveheart's a Good.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Braveheart.
Speaker C:300.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Three.
Speaker B:Like, when I watched 300, that's actually the best example.
Speaker B:I was like.
Speaker B:I had a lot of questions.
Speaker B:I'm like.
Speaker B:I was literally.
Speaker B:I was, like, 14 when that came out, I think.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker B:I was such a nerd because we were studying that, you know, that mythology, and I was, like, making maps and everything.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then I got a big fat D on my mythology test because I was like, someone lining up, so.
Speaker A:How dare.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But, yeah, I just.
Speaker B:It felt real, man.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:This role.
Speaker B:It's like a Coldplay concert.
Speaker B:Felt real.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Chris Martin's climbing on the.
Speaker A:The pipes up there, crying to the scientist.
Speaker C:Yellow comes on.
Speaker C:And we all just raise our lighters to the air.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And not the crazy, rich Asians version.
Speaker B:That's the wrong side of history.
Speaker A:The wrong side of history.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I berserker.
Speaker A:Barely know her.
Speaker A:I mean, not to.
Speaker A:Not to dote too much on this movie, but I mean, it's.
Speaker A:It's just firing in all the cylinders for me.
Speaker A:I'm more interested in a very realistic look with pinches of drama in there that I am, you know, being kind of romanticized and.
Speaker A:And not being left wondering what the.
Speaker A:What it really was like.
Speaker A:So I love this visual representation and it made me super curious and I think.
Speaker A:I mean, I just.
Speaker A:The thing that this is what hooks me to Eggers continually and this is what I think draws loyalty from his fan base, is that when you watch the Witch of the Lighthouse, you're like, my God, like the amount of detail.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, dude, on this commentary, he's just.
Speaker A:I don't know if he has notes in front of him, but he's literally just citing poets from random centuries.
Speaker A:And he's like.
Speaker A:He's like, well, the poet this and that said this and this is.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker C:That's all from his brain.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:No, no.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:This dude doesn't just study this stuff.
Speaker A:It's like he knows.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And he pulled in a.
Speaker A:A professional to help him co.
Speaker A:Write it to make sure.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:That he was paying homage to the history and he has Bjork do it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so I love it.
Speaker A:I think.
Speaker A:I think this is.
Speaker A:You know, it's so.
Speaker A:Considering the day and age of film we're in, this is ultimately just incredibly refreshing for me.
Speaker A:So 770-we are in Valhalla.
Speaker A:We have.
Speaker A:We have accomplished the warrior or the.
Speaker A:The hero's journey here.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:What a great movie.
Speaker A:I can't wait to do.
Speaker A:I want to do more Eggers movies.
Speaker A:I want to do the Lighthouse just because I want to be in the philosophical discussion.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:I've watched it three times and each time I think it means something completely different.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yep, yep.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:The demise of man, demise of loneliness.
Speaker B:Just like, whoa.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:So before we sign off though, what shows you got coming?
Speaker A:We have listeners all over the place.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So next month I will be.
Speaker B:I'll be at Zany's a few times.
Speaker B:I'm opening for Stephen Bargetzi, Nate Bargettzi's dad, tonight.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker B:Cool.
Speaker B:I know that comes out later, but he doesn't show there like every month.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Trying to get on the show of Dr.
Speaker B:Ben.
Speaker B:He's an Asian guy, so I think I have an in.
Speaker C:Get some neck in there.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I'm also doing Stone cold sober at Third Coast Comedy Club.
Speaker B:I think that's the 21st.
Speaker A:Which one are you?
Speaker B:I am going to be the drinking one this time.
Speaker B:Seth was actually on the last one I did.
Speaker B:No, it was a very horrible time.
Speaker C:That one went poor.
Speaker C:Very poorly on John's part.
Speaker C:I take blame for some of that.
Speaker B:But I don't think you should.
Speaker B:I think that I was just so nice.
Speaker B:I'm not a like a weed guy at all, really.
Speaker B:And I was like, this will be fun.
Speaker B:So I went to one of the Delta 9 stores and I bought like the nerd gummy clusters.
Speaker B:They put like 600 milligrams of whatever in there.
Speaker B:And I'm like, you know what shows in 45 minutes?
Speaker B:I gotta.
Speaker B:I gotta punch this to the gas.
Speaker B:So I ate the whole thing.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:And then I get there.
Speaker B:I'm like, seth, I don't feel anything.
Speaker B:He's like.
Speaker B:And he's so kind.
Speaker B:He's like, you gotta wait just to little bit longer.
Speaker B:He's like, but I did bring this blunt, if you want it.
Speaker B:And so I did that.
Speaker B:And then, like, I get on stage and I could already feel it as I'm about to go on stage.
Speaker B:So I just like, wrote my jokes on a note card.
Speaker B:And I wrote on the back of the note card in case things go bad.
Speaker C:And they went bad.
Speaker B:They went bad.
Speaker B:I was like, you get eight minute sets.
Speaker B:I have like a minute left.
Speaker B:I look at the clock and I'm like, I have two minutes left.
Speaker C:Left.
Speaker B:I bought the recording from them and I was just like, I get the card out and I do seven jokes that are like three minutes long.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then I'm like, I look at the clock, I'm like, I have two minutes left.
Speaker B:But yeah, it's.
Speaker B:And then I ran away from everybody, freaked my wife out.
Speaker A:And buried yourself?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Ended up in.
Speaker C:I got so many texts during the night from him.
Speaker C:It was great.
Speaker A:That's amazing.
Speaker C:And like, it's like, did I not just have a conversation with you?
Speaker C:I'm like, dude, you've been home for two hours.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Marianne has asked me to be on the show a few times.
Speaker A:I just haven't really wanted.
Speaker C:It's a fun one.
Speaker B:It's a fun one.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And the only one I'm doing, the reason I'm doing the drinking one is like, I'm also trying to calm that down.
Speaker B:So I'm like, it'll be my last hurrah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't drink anymore.
Speaker A:Do I have to drink to be on the show.
Speaker B:No, you can be a sober one.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm gonna have to be the sober one.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:A lot of people who are sober do that show.
Speaker B:Oh, cool.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's really great.
Speaker B:But, yeah, I'm gonna be a drinking one, and I don't know.
Speaker B:It'll be fun.
Speaker A:Fun.
Speaker B:Less scary.
Speaker A:So come out and see our boy John.
Speaker A:He's incredible.
Speaker A:He's one of the best comics we got, and he's out there destroying the world like a Viking.
Speaker A:Like a Filipino Viking.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Thank y'all for tuning in.
Speaker A:Love, y'all.
Speaker A:I'm Kyle.
Speaker C:I'm Seth.
Speaker B:And I'm John.
Speaker B:Detoy, Movie Wars.
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