The Adventures Of Tintin
The illustrious John Datoy, a Nashville-based comedian and world-renowned yo-yo champion, graces us once again with his presence on the Movie Wars podcast. In this engaging episode, we delve into the intricacies of the animated film "The Adventures of Tintin," exploring its visual storytelling and the innovative use of motion capture technology. John shares his unique insights on how the film's animation techniques compare to traditional filmmaking, particularly in the realm of adventure narratives. The conversation also touches upon the cultural significance of the source material, as well as the film's character dynamics, revealing the complexities of portraying a beloved classic in a modern context. Join us as we navigate the intersection of comedy, animation, and cinematic artistry, offering a thoughtful examination of this multifaceted film.
The podcast episode featuring the renowned Nashville comedian and world yo-yo champion, John Datoy, presents an enthralling exploration of the intersection between humor and the art of yo-yoing. The conversation delves into Datoy's personal history with the yo-yo craze, reflecting on its resurgence in popularity and its cultural significance. He shares anecdotes from his childhood, illustrating how he honed his skills through the rich resources available online, particularly via YouTube. This discussion is punctuated by the camaraderie and light-hearted banter among the hosts, creating an engaging atmosphere that invites listeners to appreciate both the intricacies of yo-yo tricks and the nuances of comedic storytelling. Through Datoy's experiences and reflections, the episode serves as a reminder of the joy and creativity that can emerge from seemingly simple pastimes, while also highlighting the unique cultural connections that bind individuals through shared interests.
Takeaways:
- In this episode, we delve into the exceptional skills of John Datoy, a world-renowned yo-yo champion, who also brings his comedic talents to the forefront, providing listeners with a unique perspective on both arts.
- The conversation highlights the resurgence of yo-yoing in contemporary culture, particularly within the Philippines, showcasing its evolution from a childhood fad to a recognized art form.
- I share my personal experience with animation, revealing my journey from disinterest to appreciation, particularly influenced by watching animated films through the eyes of my children.
- We explore the intricacies of storytelling and character development in animation, discussing how the depth of characters can significantly impact audience engagement and emotional investment.
- The episode underscores the importance of innovation in filmmaking, particularly in the realm of motion capture, and how it has transformed the animation landscape, allowing for more nuanced storytelling.
- Lastly, we examine the cultural implications of animated films, reflecting on how adaptations can resonate differently across various audiences, underscoring the importance of understanding source material.
Transcript
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Speaker A:Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Movie wars podcast.
Speaker A:We're back with Seth and our.
Speaker A:Our friend from the Northman, John Detoy, the great Nashville comedian.
Speaker A:What's up, buddy?
Speaker B:Hello, everybody.
Speaker A:Tell us a little bit about yo yo, because I see you do it when I was in.
Speaker A:In, well, a lot of my school, I'm older, I think, than both of you.
Speaker A:How old are you?
Speaker B:Almost 32.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I'm 37, so we're not that different.
Speaker A:But yo yo was such a craze, and I remember what they did in high school.
Speaker A:If you didn't remember our last episode.
Speaker A:He's a world champion.
Speaker A:I saw people, like, do moves.
Speaker A:I thought it was cool.
Speaker A:But then I watch videos of you doing it.
Speaker A:I literally have no idea how anyone can do the stuff you do with a Yo Yo.
Speaker B:How it's just like.
Speaker B:Well, when I was younger, like, YouTube had finally, like, really became what YouTube was starting to become as it is now.
Speaker B:And that's kind of how I learned.
Speaker B:I would just watch these crazy tricks I, like, essentially Japanese people are doing right?
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And, like, that's just how quickly is getting pushed because the Internet was available.
Speaker B:And I really do thank the Internet for getting me to do some of the stuff I put on my Instagram on.
Speaker C:Honestly, that's the problem is you're not Filipino enough.
Speaker A:I'm not.
Speaker C:You're not Asian enough, so you can't do it or, like, comprehend it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Filipinos.
Speaker B:One of the best creative scenes, though, for Yaying.
Speaker A:So, yeah, I'm just Filipino enough for the heart disease.
Speaker C:Yeah, dude.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Get us some adobo and some hypertension.
Speaker A:Yeah, we have.
Speaker A:If you don't know anything about Filipinos, we have heart attacks.
Speaker A:That is something we do.
Speaker B:And we will ignore it until we're 30, so.
Speaker A:And then we'll rub mud on it.
Speaker A:That's how you solve it.
Speaker B:And mud is VapoRub, if anyone wants know what that is.
Speaker A:People don't under.
Speaker A:People think I'm making this up.
Speaker A:But, like, what is it called?
Speaker A:Like, the earthworm.
Speaker A:That's the size of a rattlesnake.
Speaker A:Have you.
Speaker A:You know, we literally in the Philippines, like, you'll see.
Speaker A:You'll see footage of people cracking open a log, and you think it's a snake, but it's an earthworm.
Speaker B:And they'll be like, we should stuff some lum pea inside this and cook it and eat it on our raft.
Speaker A:I'm so glad to have someone here that understands.
Speaker A:I love it.
Speaker B:So many things that they can accept in The Philippines.
Speaker B:Yo yoing's becoming bigger now in the Philippines because they're like, well, we were into boxing, but Manny made a.
Speaker B:Made everyone mad.
Speaker A:He made an error.
Speaker B:Yeah, he made an error off the ring.
Speaker B:We like Arnel, but like, no one likes old people.
Speaker B:And that's who he hangs out with right now.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Just kidding.
Speaker B:But he's still great.
Speaker B:They played Lollapalooza.
Speaker B:Is that crazy or like one of the headliners?
Speaker A:That's insane.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:But now, like, yo yos are coming back because, like, yo yos are cheap still, like plastic strings and.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And things.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And if you don't do well with it, you can hang yourself with it.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker A:So, wait, was that the wrong thing to say?
Speaker A:I'm sorry.
Speaker C:Now we're going to introduce the Adventures of Tintin.
Speaker A:I just literally thought about that.
Speaker C:It's such a useful tool right after suicide.
Speaker B:I think the correct thing was to say, I can't think of anything.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, you can juggle.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:You can.
Speaker A:You can buy more yo yos just like life.
Speaker C:You can Northman someone with some yo yo.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:That's kind of how the yo yo begins.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't know if I'm going to keep that or not.
Speaker A:We'll see.
Speaker A:Little dark for the yo yo scene.
Speaker A:Today we are covering the Adventures of Tintin.
Speaker A:Speaking of wanting to hang myself, what.
Speaker C:Is wrong with you?
Speaker A:That's a loaded question, man.
Speaker A:That's a loaded.
Speaker A:I don't like superhero movies.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I'm not the right audience.
Speaker A:I don't like.
Speaker A:It wasn't until I had kids.
Speaker A:I have four children.
Speaker A:It wasn't until I started having kids that I even watched animated movies.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:I've never really liked them.
Speaker C:So you just don't like art?
Speaker B:I think that's a Filipino.
Speaker A:I do like.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I watched Jurassic park instead of all the Disney movies.
Speaker A:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I grew up on Predator, Terminator, RoboCop.
Speaker A:Those were my childhood movies.
Speaker A:Cobra Command.
Speaker C:So you got indoctrinated into thinking bad movies were good movies.
Speaker A:I saw.
Speaker C:And so whenever you watch good movies like the Snyder cut, you can't enjoy them because you're used to bad movies.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think it's cuz there's conversation that can be had during the movie.
Speaker B:You miss 10 minutes and it's not going to be like, I'm so lost.
Speaker A:Oh, Arnold stabbed the guy in the throat.
Speaker A:Okay, next question.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:That cop got eviscerated.
Speaker B:By RoboCop.
Speaker A:All right, all right, sounds good.
Speaker A:No, I did.
Speaker A:And you actually make a valid point.
Speaker A:I know you're joking, but I did see really violent movies way too young.
Speaker A:And like by the time I started watching and animated movies when I was younger weren't as good as they are today.
Speaker A:And like when I was finishing my point, I actually really have fallen in love with Toy Story.
Speaker C:Oh yeah.
Speaker A:Seeing it through my kids eyes and them not seeing violent movies because I'm a good parent.
Speaker A:Unlike mine, I haven't let my kids watch that like I had.
Speaker A:I went back, I prayed to the Lord for a year, like, should I let him watch the Batman animated series?
Speaker A:I was like, that was a.
Speaker C:And then it took me and Drew Davis to convince him.
Speaker A:Yeah, finally.
Speaker A:Him and Drew Davis.
Speaker A:Okay, I'll let him watch it.
Speaker A:I'm still like watching.
Speaker C:Did they watch this one with you?
Speaker A:No, but I, I actually.
Speaker A:Well, the alcoholism and it's a little weird.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's one of my big Batman animated.
Speaker C:No, no.
Speaker A:In this intent and the dog enables the alcoholism.
Speaker A:I don't know if that's a good message.
Speaker C:It is very in line with the comics though.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Again, I don't give a.
Speaker A:About source material.
Speaker A:This is an individual experience.
Speaker A:But yeah, I, I struggle, I do struggle and I have grown to appreciate and I do, I, I really do love Toy Story.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:The motion capture.
Speaker A:We can get into it more later.
Speaker A:But you texted me when I started watching, like, what do you think about the, about the motion, the mocap.
Speaker A:And I was like, at the time, I was like 10 minutes in, I was like, this is really cool.
Speaker A:About 15 minutes into the movie, it became a novelty and it kind of wore off for me and, and I was kind of like, well, do you just hate animated movies?
Speaker A:I was like, well, you used to, but you really love Toy Story now.
Speaker A:And so there I am opening up to animation.
Speaker A:But yeah, it's not something I grew up with.
Speaker A:I grew up with extremely violent movies I shouldn't have seen.
Speaker A:So I don't really have a great view of these things.
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker A:So that's kind of where I come from.
Speaker C:But even then it's still.
Speaker C:You can look at these, especially this one.
Speaker C:You can look at it as an adventure movie.
Speaker C:Like, yeah, sure, it's animated.
Speaker C:Sure, there's cartoony elements to it, but that art form lends itself to being able to do things that you cannot do on regular film.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:Otherwise, I mean, as we've seen with superhero films that try to do the Crazy shit.
Speaker C:It just looks weird because you do have real things being intermixed with animated things.
Speaker C:The fact that this is fully animated, but also has that, like, twinge of realism, but also has the cartoony ness to it, I absolutely love it.
Speaker C:Like, it.
Speaker C:It.
Speaker C:There's just shots throughout this whole movie that you could never do with a regular camera, that the only way you can achieve these types of artistic shots is because it's animated and because it was motion captured.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm kind of in the middle.
Speaker B: n that this movie was made in: Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then, like, as someone who doesn't watch a lot of animated films, I'm like, holy crap, what is out there now?
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:You're like.
Speaker C:And I.
Speaker B:And so I get your point on, like.
Speaker B:Because I grew up on, like, Jurassic park and I watched the Patriot when I was, like, 8, and I was like.
Speaker B:I just remember being like, this is so cool.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But yeah, like, whenever I watched the Little Mermaid when I was like, for the first time when I was 22 years old.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I was just like, yeah.
Speaker B:And then it's just like, you start to realize, like, I get it now.
Speaker B:Like, it's crazy, too, that we'll talk about, like, some of the themes that you and I were probably surprised about in Tintin, a PG movie.
Speaker B:But, like, it reminded me of 90s Disney movies I did, like, you know, which involved real people and real things.
Speaker B:Like, I forgot that the Mighty Duck started with a guy getting a dui.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, see, I've never actually seen the.
Speaker B:Mighty Ducks or Mighty DUI or, like.
Speaker B:Or the Heavy heavyweights.
Speaker B:Movie is literally, the whole message is like, hey, guys, what if fat kids were people, too?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:And you're just like, that's funny as an adult to me.
Speaker B:And it was funny to me as a kid.
Speaker B:You know, it's just like, I don't know.
Speaker C:Well, I was first introduced to Tintin when I was a kid.
Speaker C:My older sibling would get this kind of young adult magazine that would come in, and in this magazine, every issue had a section of one of the Tintin graphic novels.
Speaker C:So I weirdly, inadvertently grew up reading a lot of the Tintin stories.
Speaker C: nd I gotta say, as far as pre: Speaker C:Ones.
Speaker C:The tone of the movie genuinely comes from the.
Speaker C:The actual source material.
Speaker C:Like, it is shocking how close this movie feels to its original source material.
Speaker C:So I think that may be one reason why some of the themes like alcoholism and the use of guns and everything could make someone who doesn't understand the source material a little uncomfortable.
Speaker C:But you have to remember it was written originally by a French artist and the French are just alcoholics in general.
Speaker C:So it's like the amount he was drinking was actually just kind of a Tuesday.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B: It was also: Speaker B:So it was when it started.
Speaker C:Well, yeah, it started in the 20s, really got popular I think like during and post World War II, and then kind of like really hit its peak in the 50s and 60s before it kind of tapered off into the 70s and then you didn't really get.
Speaker C:I mean, I think.
Speaker C:I don't.
Speaker C:I think Airj has died.
Speaker C:I don't quote me on that.
Speaker A:Is that how you say it?
Speaker A:Yeah, I thought it was Hergi.
Speaker C:No, it's.
Speaker C:It's a French name.
Speaker C:So it's um.
Speaker C:But yeah, like it's.
Speaker C:It's crazy to me how actually close this hit the source material.
Speaker A:Interesting.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:I did a little research on that, honestly, because I had some questions about it also.
Speaker C:What a weird little like sidestep for Steven Spielberg.
Speaker A:Yeah, very weird.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's honestly the big shock of it all for me.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B: Besides the: Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:I also love that, that it's.
Speaker C:It's a very much a labor of love and a partnership of love between him and Peter Jackson.
Speaker C:You might have this in your randoms, I don't know.
Speaker C:But the deal that was made when initially they thought they were going to be able to make several of these in somewhat quick succession.
Speaker C:The deal was Spielberg and Peter Jackson would switch off between who directed and who produced.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So Spielberg directed this one, Peter Jackson.
Speaker C:We might again, I don't know what, what materials you have on the research, but supposedly there's another one coming out.
Speaker C:According to Andy Circus last year, they're still working on the sequel, but it has been in production limbo for years and years and years.
Speaker C:But that is still technically the plan is Peter Jackson and Spielberg are supposed to go back and forth on who's directing these.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was going to be.
Speaker A:Originally they agreed to a trilogy.
Speaker A:Spielberg was going to do one, Jackson was going to do two, and it was a top toss up for three.
Speaker A:They were going to decide that when they got there.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:The ultimate factor was that even though this did really well, total 300 million globally, it only made 70 of that in the U.S.
Speaker A:yeah.
Speaker A:And so the studio felt that even though it did well globally, it didn't translate in the US, so they didn't want to do it.
Speaker A:Otherwise.
Speaker A:1.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Domestic really guides a lot, so.
Speaker C:Which is so sad because it is.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker C:Unless you're an.
Speaker C:It is a wonderful gem of a film.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:Because I have a different.
Speaker A:Well, I was just, you know, I wish you would have told me that this wasn't a solo origin movie for the.
Speaker A:My favorite villain from the Crow.
Speaker A: You know, this was not that: Speaker A: The wrong: Speaker A: Love you: Speaker A: You know, the wrong: Speaker A: Also, what kind of name is: Speaker C:French.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:Technically, it is pronounced.
Speaker A:Oh, well, it doesn't fix his hair.
Speaker C:His hair is fantastic.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:It's a cowlick in the front.
Speaker B:It's the worst play on phonetics.
Speaker B:I think was like, the thing.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:It should have been about the Crow.
Speaker C:I just hate the French.
Speaker A:They were not nice to me, and they haven't been nice to our people in general.
Speaker C:They're not nice to anyone.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm glad.
Speaker B:That land in the Louisiana Purchase.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:You haven't been nice to our people.
Speaker C:It's the only thing Napoleon did.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Or she could say that about dozens of civilizations that haven't been nice to the Philippines.
Speaker C:It's most of the world.
Speaker C:Let's be real.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like the Poland of Asia.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:We really are.
Speaker A:We really are.
Speaker A:I mean, and then Apocalypse Now.
Speaker A:Like, even Coppola's like.
Speaker A:Like, they let him use the Philippines.
Speaker A:Let him use the helicopters for.
Speaker A:To make that movie.
Speaker A:He's like, listen, I'm going to start making a movie in your country whether you like it or not.
Speaker A:Now give me your helicopters.
Speaker A: We were like, it's just like: Speaker B:That's okay.
Speaker B:We were just trying to make an air force.
Speaker A:Okay, well, as long as our helicopters are in your movie.
Speaker A:Yeah, he did make the Godfather.
Speaker C:All right, but let's get into.
Speaker C:Why didn't you like this?
Speaker A:Okay, well, I want to round this.
Speaker A:This intro part out.
Speaker A:Like, I also really.
Speaker A:And I texted you about this a little bit.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I struggle with Steven Spielberg more than any other director.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Really, I really do.
Speaker A:He's a guy that.
Speaker A:That I think early in his career was so tenacious.
Speaker A:I mean, when you really do a lot of research on Jaws, the tenacity he had to show to make that movie.
Speaker A:I mean, absolutely insanity.
Speaker A:I mean, I.
Speaker A:I can't even go through all the detail.
Speaker A:We have an old Jaws episode from back in the day that you can go listen to where we go through the history, but all the Indiana Jones movies minus the newest one.
Speaker A:Like really?
Speaker C:He didn't direct the newest one.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:Oh, that's right.
Speaker A:I forgot.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:I totally forgot.
Speaker A:I don' Give a.
Speaker A:About the newest one, but this one was great.
Speaker A: w for me if it came out after: Speaker A:I'm just kidding.
Speaker A:No, but I.
Speaker A:He's a guy that.
Speaker A:I think minus those movies and Saving Private Ryan, he gets right up to the line and, and doesn't cross it.
Speaker A:And I'll.
Speaker A:Minority Report is the biggest crime to me.
Speaker A:It's the future crime.
Speaker A:I am a giant Philip Dick, Philip K.
Speaker A:Dick fan.
Speaker A:I read just endless amounts.
Speaker A:I love it.
Speaker A:Just give it to me.
Speaker A:Just give it to me in 500 pages or less.
Speaker C:Sorry, that was low hanging.
Speaker B:500 pages.
Speaker A:That was, that was long hanging.
Speaker A:Low hanging fruit.
Speaker A:But Philip K.
Speaker A:Dick, the Minority Report short story is such a, like visceral, like just like envelope.
Speaker A:K.
Speaker A:Dick had this amazing ability to see the future.
Speaker A:I mean, he did it with Total Recall, which was based on.
Speaker A:We Can Remember it for you wholesale.
Speaker A:And the, the foundation for Blade Runner, which was Do Sheep Dream of or Do Cyborgs.
Speaker A:Electric Sheep Dream of Cyborgs.
Speaker A:I can't remember the full name.
Speaker A:Yeah, but he, he was very like, he writes very dark technological future looking things.
Speaker A:He was writing these things in the 50s and the 60s.
Speaker A:But then Spielberg gets a hold of Minority Report and turns it into this popcorny.
Speaker A:And I get it right.
Speaker A:You gotta, you gotta adapt things for the screen.
Speaker A:But he removed and neutered the testicles from that thing.
Speaker A:Man, that was.
Speaker C:What year did it come out?
Speaker A:The movie?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A: Was it: Speaker A:Something like that.
Speaker C:Later, Was it my.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'll have to look it up, but.
Speaker C:Interesting.
Speaker A:But I just feel like Spielberg can get right up to the line and just not cross it enough.
Speaker A:And I feel like he, he does, he does kind of overcompensate and make things.
Speaker A:A little popcorn for me.
Speaker A:And this was such an uneven story to me.
Speaker A:Like I said, like you're seeing this brilliant mocap and no matter how I feel about the film, there's no, there's no detesting or contesting how great the motion capture is.
Speaker A:It looks stunning most of the time.
Speaker A:I do have some problems with some parts of it, but overall it's a very innovative film from that perspective.
Speaker A:But like it's this weird.
Speaker A:And maybe because it is European and it has that flair to it in terms of the storytelling.
Speaker A:But then like you got the, the alcoholism and the dog And Tintin kills people with a gun or tries to kill people with a gun.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:I can't remember if he actually kills it.
Speaker B:But then, no, he doesn't.
Speaker B:Well, does.
Speaker C:Well, I could have sworn he did.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:He's a kid with a gun.
Speaker C:He's not a kid.
Speaker C:No, no, no, he's not a kid.
Speaker A:But I don't know.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker C:He's a full fledged adult.
Speaker A:That's not what I've understood, though.
Speaker C:Like a job.
Speaker C:He's a journalist.
Speaker A:I know, but he's still.
Speaker A:But according to my research, he's still a kid.
Speaker A:That's not what I.
Speaker A:I've listened to podcasts and read, but there's some people that say, yes, he's still a kid.
Speaker C:I don't think that was ever the case.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:I could see how some people would mistake that, but I don't think.
Speaker B:We gotta take into account the age of consent.
Speaker B:Is he an adult?
Speaker A:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Oh my God.
Speaker B:I think in France it's like 15.
Speaker C:Can he.
Speaker A:Let me see.
Speaker C:Because my understanding was not that he was young, he was in his 20s.
Speaker C:But I don't think he's supposed to be a child.
Speaker B:He seems like a college dude.
Speaker B:That's the way that it was presented.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And after my research.
Speaker B:But that is still pretty young.
Speaker A:It says 10.
Speaker A:10 is not an adult.
Speaker A:However, he does live alone with a kid and a dog.
Speaker A:Or with a dog and has a job.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:This is Wired.com talking about it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So again, there's confusion.
Speaker A:Like my favorite podcast and has done is now playing and I listen to them to do research and stuff.
Speaker A:And those guys are Hollywood guys and they, they said he's a kid.
Speaker A:I don' Interesting.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:That's what's weird, though.
Speaker C:It was never my understanding.
Speaker A:And I'm not critiquing your point of view.
Speaker A:It's not clearly presented.
Speaker A:So again, it's an uneven story.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And it's a weird thing for a guy that toes the line to me and doesn't cross it enough for me to.
Speaker A:To be.
Speaker A:To enter.
Speaker A:Like, yeah, I would call it Scorsese, Coppola Land, where those guys are really good at kind of crossing the line in storytelling.
Speaker A:But it's weird.
Speaker A:He doesn't really cross the line.
Speaker A:But then we got alcoholic, then kids shooting people with a gun.
Speaker A:But we don't know if he's a kid.
Speaker C:But again, that's all source material.
Speaker C:Like it is.
Speaker C:It is very faithful to what it is.
Speaker C:Adaptation of.
Speaker A:I know, but you have to.
Speaker A: erican audiences did not read: Speaker A:And that's why I failed here.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's, that's, that's factual.
Speaker C:When you're dealing with an adaptation, you have to be faithful to the adaptation.
Speaker A:Well, you don't have to.
Speaker A:Kubrick wasn't.
Speaker C:I mean.
Speaker C:Yeah, but Kubrick's also kind of an asshole.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And that's why The Shining is 6,000 times better than the book.
Speaker A:This again.
Speaker A:And I told you this with the Snyder thing, not everyone's going to come to it.
Speaker A:Like these films have to stand alone.
Speaker A:Like they cannot just be.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:That's just my opinion.
Speaker A:But I mean I.
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker C:But again you, you have source material.
Speaker C:If you're going to adapt something and people can, I think the argument could be made.
Speaker C:The Shining is a terrible adaptation.
Speaker C:Great movie, terrible adaptation.
Speaker C:If you're going to adapt something, I do think at the very least you have to keep the spirit of the source material or else why the fuck are you adapting it?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And so sure, maybe you didn't connect with the source material, but I.
Speaker C:Those questions you have, it's like, no, this is actually very faithful to the what, 50, 60 year span of that comic series.
Speaker B:I think it definitely was a risk making this movie, but I think it paid.
Speaker B:It paid out in ways that like for other filmmakers made us realize what was out there.
Speaker B:Oh yeah.
Speaker C:Because it avoided the uncanny valley that both the Polar Express and Mars needs moms.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:As far as motion capture goes.
Speaker B:And I also think that too, like I'm not really big in the know of inter director relationships but like I've always seen that like Spielberg and Cameron were always kind of like the opposites of each other because like Cameron, like, I think that the reason that maybe Spielberg would always take it up to that line but not cross it is because Cameron would like in the production at least of it would cross that line.
Speaker C:Oh yeah.
Speaker B:He'll actually go 40,000ft into the ocean and be like, I'm James Cameron, I'm.
Speaker C:Going to do this.
Speaker B:He's not British.
Speaker B:I don't know why I did that.
Speaker B:Hello.
Speaker C:Hello.
Speaker A:I'm James Cameron.
Speaker C:I'd never thought about it that way, but I do think you're right in a lot of ways.
Speaker C:Spielberg and Cameron, while their films kind of feel similar, hit like the polar opposite sides of that kind of feel good way of making movies.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:And maybe that's just what Spielberg wanted to do.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, and to me again I agree to disagree.
Speaker A:Like you have to make a movie standalone.
Speaker A:The thing is, is that it's not shocking to me and I'm a big reader.
Speaker A:You know this about me.
Speaker A:I read every day and I read especially for this podcast.
Speaker C:You're a big listener.
Speaker A:I'm a little now because I have kids, but I used to phys.
Speaker A:Physically.
Speaker A:I used to physically read books.
Speaker A:And then I realized if I didn't listen, I wouldn't be able to get through books because I do dishes.
Speaker A:I'm raising four children.
Speaker C:Yeah, put the dick down.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:I am medically unavailable at this point.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:To Tennessee Urological Center.
Speaker A:I did get an infection that they had to clear up.
Speaker A:That was a problem.
Speaker A:So, yeah, it was just pus.
Speaker A:Don't worry about it.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, that's like antibiotics or whatever.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was surface level.
Speaker A:It wasn't in the band's deference.
Speaker A:Yes, that's.
Speaker A:Anyways, I fully believe that if you want to sell a film and make a film that's based on source material, you cannot in this case, expect.
Speaker A:With Kubrick, there was a much higher chance because people read more.
Speaker A:Stephen King had, with the Shining, had become one of the most popular authors in the world with that book.
Speaker A:Before then, he wasn't.
Speaker A:But that is what made him popular.
Speaker A:It was less of a risk to adapt the Shining than it is for American audiences.
Speaker A:And $70 million out of 300 million, domestic or domestic versus global, says a lot of Americans don't give a.
Speaker A:About 10.
Speaker A:10.
Speaker A:And I'm just.
Speaker A:Just being factual about that.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Did it not hit me?
Speaker A:Yeah, but I mean, they made a movie about a French comic that I never really cared about or heard of.
Speaker A:And so I'm like, I.
Speaker A:I expect.
Speaker A:And same with Snyder.
Speaker A:Like, I know more about Batman.
Speaker A:I didn't know about anything else.
Speaker A:And I went out thinking, this has got to be a good movie without the.
Speaker A:The source material.
Speaker A:Because I.
Speaker A:I like a lot of people and just not.
Speaker A:And they made a hodgepodge of it.
Speaker C:Anyway.
Speaker A:Zack Snyder was picking from here.
Speaker A:I picked from there.
Speaker A:He combined like five stories for one for one movie.
Speaker A:So it's kind of like one great movie.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Still with the Snyder fans.
Speaker A:We have a video that's still going viral and Snyder fans are still calling me fat fuck you.
Speaker A:Anyway, I'm throwing you.
Speaker A:Throwing me off my game.
Speaker A:I'm just.
Speaker A:You got me emotional now.
Speaker C:Ye.
Speaker A:The fridge.
Speaker A:Okay, I'm gonna cut that out anyway.
Speaker A:But what I will say is I see why you like it.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:You are appreciative I got to know you through this podcast.
Speaker A:You appreciate innovation and I think if innovation is a big deal for you.
Speaker A:And I think if I was putting myself in your shoes, especially because you're a filmmaker, you.
Speaker A:You're watching this saying, the technical marvel of this.
Speaker A:There's a lot to be had.
Speaker A:And I respectfully there.
Speaker C:But I also think it tells an incredibly clean story.
Speaker C:I think it's insanely fun, especially because it did end up being pg, because I do think it could have easily gone over to PG 13, especially looking at the source material.
Speaker C:It gets dark in those comics at times like this, even a little bit whitewashes how dark the comics got quite often.
Speaker C:And so.
Speaker C:But no, I think the story is an absolute fun story.
Speaker C:There are times it feels like King Kong.
Speaker C:At times it feels like Indiana Jones.
Speaker C:It feels.
Speaker C:Feels very much like a solid adventure story.
Speaker C:And it, I think it set itself up to.
Speaker C:If they had just continued making them like they originally wanted to, I think it could have built into something great.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think the score also had a lot to do with like, because like that that's what they got nominated for the Oscar, which is like, you know.
Speaker C:The fact that they didn't get nominated for VFX is absolutely insane.
Speaker B:Well, I mean, we're, we'll probably dig into that.
Speaker B:But like, you made a good point off the bod here that like, it's.
Speaker B:Because it was like, where's the benchmark of which it fits into this category?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, but I don't know, like, it's.
Speaker B:I was in the middle on this movie overall.
Speaker B:But like, it's.
Speaker B:And we'll talk about that too.
Speaker B:But yeah, I, I thought it was weird that we had assassination the first things, which in the comics, he actually doesn't die.
Speaker B:You know, it's.
Speaker B:But like the whole time I just, I picture like a mom bringing like their 6 year old and then like.
Speaker C:Seeing my mom did bring her 6 year old and we loved it.
Speaker B:That's awesome.
Speaker B:And then they're just.
Speaker B:And then you watch this kid who looks 14, 13, he's holding a bloody newspaper.
Speaker B:Like, my friend was holding this, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah, just.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's very weird.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:I don't know, it's.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker A:It's very uneven.
Speaker A:It's an uneven story.
Speaker B:I think he's purposely loose too, so I will give him that.
Speaker C:Like, how do you define uneven?
Speaker A:It's uneven in the way that the story isn't coherent to me.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker C:How is it not what you're not.
Speaker A: ves and the way they do, like: Speaker A:Like, I just think the story they're telling doesn't jive with some of the elements like the alcoholism, the kid shooting people.
Speaker A:Like, I just think it's out of place for the story they're telling.
Speaker C:Interesting, because I could not disagree more.
Speaker A:Yeah, but you like the source material even then?
Speaker C:I'm looking at the time period it takes place in.
Speaker C:I am looking at the time period that it was create in.
Speaker C:Like it's not even.
Speaker C:Cuz I'm not even that deep on the source material.
Speaker C:I had a surface level enjoyment of it as a kid and then when the movie came out, I thought the movie in a lot of ways improved on the source material, but I at least had enough understanding that.
Speaker C:Yeah, I guess some of the more jarring elements of the source material didn't stick out to me that much.
Speaker C:Again, I was also used to the fact that the comic went even darker than this movie did a lot of times.
Speaker C:There were.
Speaker C:There were several times that like, you're supposed to think Tintin died in like this incredibly gruesome way, like falling out of a window of a castle onto the rocky shore below.
Speaker C:It got real dark at times.
Speaker A:Well, the themes of one of the major stories was African colonialism.
Speaker A:I mean, that's one of the main storylines in the comics.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Which again, it was kind of in the middle of that era where like Lawrence of Arabia was coming out.
Speaker C:And like that theme was very prevalent in art at the time because parts of Africa were trying to gain their independence from the British.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, these are all good points.
Speaker A:Here's the final point.
Speaker A:If you want to see a great movie about children killing adults, watch.
Speaker A:Watch children.
Speaker A:Watch Children of the Corn.
Speaker C:Young adults.
Speaker A:Ambiguous, maybe adult, maybe just a short adult, whatever that is.
Speaker A:Watch Children of the corn.
Speaker A:Watch Halloween 1.
Speaker A:You'll see plenty of great children murdering.
Speaker B:And the Sinister series with Hawk.
Speaker C:But if you want to see good movie, watch the Adventures of Tintin.
Speaker A:A lot of great kids killing adult movies out there.
Speaker B:I'm not gonna lie to you.
Speaker B:When I saw the trailer for this movie like, you know, 13 years ago, I thought literally like, oh, it's gonna be like Polar Express.
Speaker B:And then I saw it and I was like, this is not Polar Express.
Speaker A:Yeah, maybe you sit at your desk all day thinking, there's maybe a treasure out there.
Speaker A:Maybe there's purpose.
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Speaker A:There isn't.
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Speaker C:This is the weirdest promo you've ever done.
Speaker A:Well, this is a weird movie.
Speaker A:It's so weird to me.
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Speaker A:That was my worst one.
Speaker C:That was terrible.
Speaker A:That was my worst one.
Speaker A:That was a good plug.
Speaker A:I woke up today.
Speaker A:Say, you want to say the word metal or just at some point?
Speaker C:Today I said it eight times in a row.
Speaker B:It's a power word.
Speaker A:It is powered.
Speaker A:I don't drink anymore, so that's what I do at parties now when some annoying drunk person walks up to me and talk about where they went to school.
Speaker A:Oh, did you go to Harvard?
Speaker A:I went to Harvard.
Speaker A:What private school your kids to go to?
Speaker A:I go metallurgist, and then I walk away.
Speaker B:Super alloy, super alchemy.
Speaker C:Then that drunk guy walks over to his friends like, I just met a wizard, y'all.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, but when we went to Harvard, the questions.
Speaker A:The question does Snowy enable Haddock's alcoholism?
Speaker A:Here is the dog finding this guy.
Speaker C:Booze only when he knows it's the key to solving the mystery.
Speaker A:But he is enabling his alcoholism only.
Speaker C:When he's trying to solve the mystery.
Speaker A:I just go ahead.
Speaker B:I didn't like that the dog should have gotten drunk and he didn't get drunk.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because he, like.
Speaker B:Because that's like two fifths of.
Speaker B:Of whatever.
Speaker B:Whiskey.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:That was medical grade alcohol.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was just.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, it was like straight, Straight spirits.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And you're like, that dog's gonna die.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:And we're.
Speaker B:And they're at elevation, too.
Speaker B:That, I don't know, Whatever.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Maybe it's because I just quit drinking.
Speaker A:I'm very sensitive to this right now, but my wife, like, was watching Brooklyn and I'm like, man, there's a lot of alcohol in this show.
Speaker A:Are you sure you want to watch?
Speaker A:This is you.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:But hey, Haddock does become sober.
Speaker A:He does.
Speaker C:He grows as a character.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's true.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker B:Becomes friends with a French boy.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Maybe we should come up with a word for the ambiguity around that.
Speaker A:A boy adult or an ad boy?
Speaker C:An ad boy.
Speaker A:An ad boy.
Speaker A:Some weird, like, middle evolution, you know.
Speaker C:He'S a young adult.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Remember you were an adult at 10 back in those days, so.
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker A:And you got married off at 12.
Speaker C:It's true.
Speaker A:And then you died at 26.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah, I kind of miss those days.
Speaker B:Watch the Northman one.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I kind of missed the days where you just caught a stray, like cold and died at 22.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was a stray.
Speaker C:Way simpler.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, imagine the sniffles being a sign, like, you're done, your life is over.
Speaker C:You get the sniffles, you just go out for your last rights into the woods.
Speaker B:You somehow survived tuberculosis.
Speaker B:But I spread a.
Speaker B:And cold.
Speaker A:Yeah, Arthur Morgan style.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Rando.
Speaker C:Rando.
Speaker C:Oh, that was the only question you had?
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, I couldn't think of anymore.
Speaker A:Could you think of anymore?
Speaker A:How about that mocap?
Speaker C:I mean.
Speaker C:Yeah, the mocap.
Speaker C:See, that was a crazy thing is you'd really only seen it in video games at the time.
Speaker C:You didn't really.
Speaker C:And obviously we had Polar Express and Mars Needs Moms and they were the like the little baby steps in emotion capture.
Speaker C:But before that, the only way it had been used in movies was for Jar Jar Binks and for Gollum.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:And then King Kong.
Speaker C:Those were really the only ones using motion capture.
Speaker C:But no one had really done like a full out movie that didn't weird people out with how like Uncanny Valley it was.
Speaker C:And this, I think the art style lended itself to that because you could get hyper realistic on certain things.
Speaker C:But then you, you have like, certain people's noses are just a little like off compared to what a real person's nose would look like.
Speaker C:Certain things were exaggerated.
Speaker C:Like they did a really good job at finding that balance between Realism and cartoonism to make the style of animation work.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's a sword fight for me between Red Hackman and, you know, St.
Speaker B:Francis.
Speaker C:Oh, so good.
Speaker B:I was like, all right.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I see the boundaries that are being pushed.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I got like.
Speaker B:In terms of technology.
Speaker B:Technology.
Speaker C:And if you watch the behind the scenes, it's so much fun to watch the entire cast like run around these mocap rooms and they have set up.
Speaker C:Because they would set up like blocks for set pieces that they were supposed to be walking up and down on.
Speaker C:Even though they're just gonna, you know, animate it later.
Speaker C:Like they're actually getting elevation within the space.
Speaker C:Like they really did push a lot of the technical bounds of what you could do with this style of filmmaking.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Also, I think I mentioned it earlier, but Peter Jackson, while he was the producer on this, also was the second unit director.
Speaker C:And in fact, while he was doing pre production on the Hobbit, he was also teledirecting certain parts of the movie, if I remember correctly.
Speaker C: kind of hilarious because in: Speaker C:He did all of the boat scenes and Steven Spielberg did everything else, but especially the desert scenes, which makes sense because you get so hard King Kong vibes from the boat sequences and then you get so hard Indiana Jones vibes from the desert sequences.
Speaker C:Like, it's just you could really tell who had their fingers in what part of the movie.
Speaker A:Yeah, I, Even though I'm back and forth on Spielberg, I will give him credit.
Speaker A:He is a great collaborator and he's willing to collaborate.
Speaker A:Oh yeah, he collaborates a lot.
Speaker B:His creative bound is almost non existent.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's very cool.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:I will say this.
Speaker B:The one thing that I.
Speaker B:I know that's in the comics, like the silk pickpocketer guy, but that was just like it seemed to me so.
Speaker B:And I know that they needed to find Tintin's wallet to like get Thompson and Thompson to figure out where he was, you know, and I forgot the country.
Speaker B:But anyways, like, I just thought that was kind of anti climatic too.
Speaker B:That he's just like.
Speaker B:And I know in the comics he's like, it was mean, like, you know, silk skinning, like, like angry that like these two idiots can't figure it out.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:But it was just oddly placed in my opinion, in terms of the timing of the movie when they finally catch him.
Speaker B:And then you're like, all right, interesting.
Speaker B:Yeah, I.
Speaker B:That's the one.
Speaker B:You know, I'm Gonna add on the question, like, I wonder what the process was of placing that part of the movie in there.
Speaker C:I mean, it had to go before they ended up in the Middle East.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So, like, I don't know, like, it's interesting you're saying these things, both of you, because, like, none of this.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:I didn't have any questions about any of this.
Speaker C:And even the ones that I read, the pickpocketer wasn't even a part of it.
Speaker C:Like, I didn't realize that was even a canonical character until you just said it now.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was.
Speaker B:Well, I did a lot of research.
Speaker B:I actually had to do a lot of research to make sure I got the characters correctly associated my mind so that we could talk about this in a productive manner.
Speaker B:Otherwise, I've been like, there's a lot of attempted murder in this movie.
Speaker A:Second rando here.
Speaker C:Did we even do the first rando?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, well, I.
Speaker A:Yeah, you actually said the first rando we talked about earlier with the.
Speaker A:The trilogy.
Speaker A:It was supposed to be a trilogy, so there we go.
Speaker A:Damn it.
Speaker A:I'm off my game.
Speaker A:You're just too good.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker C:I'm great.
Speaker C:I do know that with the trilogy, Thompson and Thompson were going to become bigger characters, like, almost like equally main characters to Tintin, as they were throughout the comic series.
Speaker A:Only characters I loved in this.
Speaker C:Interesting.
Speaker A:I love them.
Speaker C:You didn't love Andy Serkis as.
Speaker C:As Haddock.
Speaker C:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker A:Hated it.
Speaker C:Snowy, still my favorite.
Speaker A:Snow.
Speaker A:Snowy.
Speaker A:Snowy and Thompson and Thompson.
Speaker A:I love those three.
Speaker A:Those were my.
Speaker B:Snowy was dope.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Snowy's awesome, even though he's an enabler, but you can't blame him.
Speaker A:He's a dog.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker C:And, hey, it helped.
Speaker C:It got them to where they needed to go.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:There's a.
Speaker A:There's a lot of moral gray area there.
Speaker C:Those are the most fun movies.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:If your friend's a heroin addict.
Speaker A:But, you know, like, that person being on heroin is going to, like, solve the riddle.
Speaker C:Do you like, hey, if your friend.
Speaker C:Sherlock Holmes on heroin.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Until you don't need Sherlock Holmes anymore if it's gonna save the world.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's kind of how they wrote the TV adaptation with Lucy Liu and whatever that guy's name was.
Speaker B:Like, he's a drug addict and that's the only way he could solve crimes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:It was a weird twist and it went for too long.
Speaker B:That's only because Lucy Lou is hot.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Randos.
Speaker A:So this had a start.
Speaker A:Not only was the cast and the, the production and the directing, all that was star studded.
Speaker A:They more directors actually interested in this film.
Speaker A:Spielberg originally had this property in 84, but there was.
Speaker A:He had a lot hard time getting it made.
Speaker A:So he lost the rights.
Speaker A: Had to get them back in: Speaker A:And when he started kicking around the idea of doing mocap, they actually tested it out.
Speaker A:They had Robert Zemeckis and they had James Cameron on set as well.
Speaker A:And they came and they went and showed up for the testing to see because he was.
Speaker A:He was originally wanting to do just standard animations.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:But they went and did it and they all gave feedback and that's how they decided that that was how they wanted to go forward.
Speaker C:I mean it makes sense because if you're gonna do these characters correctly and avoid what happened with the Super Mario's movie.
Speaker C:Super Mario Brothers movie.
Speaker C:Like it makes sense to kind of hit an animation style that's not fully animated.
Speaker C:It may move like real people.
Speaker C:But you also like if you tried to give a real person Tintin's ha cut or Thompson and Thompson's look, it just would have looked weird.
Speaker C:Yeah, it wouldn't have looked good.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm sorry, I lost my thought there.
Speaker B:I was.
Speaker B:I was thinking about the Thompson and Thompson guys.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because I was like, they are likable.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:They are very likable.
Speaker C:I mean it's Simon, Peg and What's the other guy's name?
Speaker A:Frost.
Speaker B:Yeah, Frost.
Speaker C:Yeah, Nick Frost.
Speaker C:They're so good.
Speaker A:Really, it's the.
Speaker A:It's the best comedy to me in it.
Speaker A:The wallet room thing was the one scene I was like, I like this scene.
Speaker C:So good.
Speaker B:That's the best scene in the whole movie particular.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:I do also like that super long one shotter.
Speaker C:Like the oner where they're.
Speaker C:Where they're trying to get the.
Speaker C:The papers from the bird.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And it just like keeps going down, down, down to even to the point that the freaking.
Speaker C:The tank with the house on it just comes through and then the guy comes out and adds stars because it's a waterfront property now.
Speaker C:The humor is so good.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker B:It definitely was designed for adults and kids for sure.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And I think it accomplishes it well on that.
Speaker B:But as like, you know, an adult of kids, it's probably like.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Maybe when you're 10.
Speaker C:Even Toy Story has absolutely filthy jokes that are.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's completely buried under kid friendly words.
Speaker B:I mean Toy Story 3 has that scene where they're, like, just accepting fate.
Speaker B:That was really.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:You're like, dang.
Speaker C:Or even.
Speaker C:Even the scene where Woody is just, like, the word I'm thinking of, I can't say because there's preschool toys around.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker C:Like, Or.
Speaker C:Or in Toy Story 2, when.
Speaker C:When Jesse saves the critter by jumping on the.
Speaker C:The Hot Wheels track and Buzz's wings just pop out like it's a total sex joke like we've always had.
Speaker C:And I mean, even go back further in Disney animation, like, you literally have the worst in the sky of.
Speaker C:Of Lion King.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, these types of weird humor have always been put into animated films.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And almost every old Disney movie, like.
Speaker A:Like pre.
Speaker A:Like, 90s.
Speaker A:What, the whole preface of the story was that they comes from disobeying your parents.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, that's literally the storyline of every.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:And there's literally, like, you talk about hidden Mickeys with.
Speaker C:With fucking Disney.
Speaker C:You have hidden penises almost everywhere in the movies.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's.
Speaker C:It's weird.
Speaker C:And I feel like.
Speaker C:I think one reason I do like this so much is because it's honest with its.
Speaker C:It's adult moments.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:But it's still not, like, grotesque or vulgar with them.
Speaker A:Harrison's totally into what you're saying.
Speaker C:Absolutely.
Speaker C:He loved this movie.
Speaker C:He sat here the whole time and stared right at the screen.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Probably because of Snowy.
Speaker A:Sorry, what were you saying?
Speaker A:I interrupted.
Speaker B:No, I was just gonna say, like.
Speaker B:Yeah, I agree with Seth on that that.
Speaker B:Honestly, it was very straightforward, which I can appreciate.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because, like, yeah, I remember, like, when people were posting all those, like, like, memes and, like, kind of like all the Easter eggs of the previous Disney movies.
Speaker B:I don't think there were a lot of Easter eggs in this one.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker B:And, like, I think that also was very interesting about, like, the.
Speaker B:The ending of this movie is that, like, honestly, it leaves it up to you to be like, so what did you think?
Speaker B:It almost is literally saying, like, what do you guys think?
Speaker B:Yeah, it's like, you know, it's not the typical kids movie that wraps up, like, all right, well, hopefully we'll see you again, you know, so.
Speaker C:And it's like, obviously they set it up for a sequel, but I do think, overall, the story itself state very much stands on its own.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:Like, as much as I would love a sequel, it doesn't necessarily need a sequel to it to make it a good movie.
Speaker C:It's still a very solid beginning, middle, and end to this story.
Speaker C:They Told.
Speaker B:Do you think they're gonna.
Speaker B:If they make a second one, they would be able to retain most of the.
Speaker B:The actors that they had in the preview.
Speaker B:Previous one.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:Jamie Bell has said even though he's in his 40s, he's like, I absolutely still would play this character.
Speaker C:He even mentioned he was like, I think if it wasn't motion capture, it would be weird for me to come back as this character.
Speaker C:But because it's all motion capture, you don't see my face.
Speaker C:It's not weird for me to come back as a 40 whatever year old to play this character.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B: f like the differences of the: Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:They would start production officially, but.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Jamie Bell.
Speaker A:I don't even smoke weed.
Speaker A:A lot of people think I do, but they're wrong.
Speaker A:I'm just.
Speaker C:You just have the look.
Speaker A:I just have a problem.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:The market artist at the beginning, it bears the likeness of Hair J.
Speaker A:Is that how you say his name?
Speaker C:Air J.
Speaker A:Air J.
Speaker A:That is.
Speaker A:He's supposed to be Hair J.
Speaker A:He's supposed to look like him.
Speaker A:So I don't know Hair J.
Speaker A:And I didn't know, but I read that.
Speaker B:I didn't know either.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I do love that moment where he turns the.
Speaker C:The picture around and it's just the straight comic version of his face.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:And he painted.
Speaker A:That was another part of that.
Speaker A:Yeah, he.
Speaker A:That was.
Speaker A:That's cool.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:That's a cool little callback.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:And lastly, this is the first non Pixar movie to win a Golden Globe award for best animated picture since the category was first introduced.
Speaker C:That's cool.
Speaker C:Cool.
Speaker A:It beat out cars 2 as it should have.
Speaker A:Which.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:As the father of kids that love the Cars movies.
Speaker A:The cars two one is the worst.
Speaker A:Cars.
Speaker B:Oh, by 100.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Paces is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:That's the only good scene was the Wasabi scene.
Speaker A:That's a good scene.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's literally my favorite scene.
Speaker A:See, I do.
Speaker A:I do like some animation in my older age, but you know, it just takes a certain thing.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's exposure therapy.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Shall we enable alcoholism?
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:Shall we shoot adults and be ambiguously?
Speaker A:Maybe an ad.
Speaker A:Ad Boy.
Speaker C:It's better than shooting kids Boy Boy dolls.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:There needs to be more dead adults.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker C:Stop killing the kids.
Speaker A:Arm the young.
Speaker C:We need to bring back child soldiers.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Remember Tom?
Speaker A:Tom Morello from Rage against the Machine had that guitar that said arm the Homeless.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:That's amazing.
Speaker A:Yeah, I love it.
Speaker A:That's let's War.
Speaker A:And the categories are for yes.
Speaker A:Affirmative.
Speaker A:We love it.
Speaker A:We dig it.
Speaker A:Unicorn.
Speaker A:And I'm surprised that Seth wanted this.
Speaker A:This is his idea.
Speaker C:No, you're not supposed to say that.
Speaker A:Oh, well, he actually likes it.
Speaker A:He pretends like he doesn't.
Speaker A:Rack him.
Speaker A:Barely know her.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:Barely know him.
Speaker A:Barely know him.
Speaker C:God.
Speaker C:God ruining everything.
Speaker A:It's hard.
Speaker A:It's, you know, collaborating is a thing.
Speaker A:But rack and barely know him.
Speaker C:Spielberg.
Speaker C:Yo.
Speaker C:He doesn't know how to collaborate.
Speaker A:Yeah, I don't know how to nudge.
Speaker A:Neuter.
Speaker A:Philip K.
Speaker A:Dick.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Don't know how to neuter the Dick.
Speaker A:Yes, yes.
Speaker A:Top bill, cast.
Speaker A:And let me go over to my list here.
Speaker A:The top three highest paid folks in this movie.
Speaker A:Jamie Bell, Andy Circus, Daniel Craig, which.
Speaker C:If you had not told me it was Daniel Craig in as the villain, I would never have guessed.
Speaker C:Like he, yeah, he melds into this character so well and it's like obviously his, it's not him on the screen, but it's like even voice wise I would not have known it was him.
Speaker C:I think every single one of them, especially when you consider the source material, unlike some uneducated people, I think they brought not only their own voice to the character, but I think they brought the, the, the vibe of the character itself from the source material really well to the movie.
Speaker C:So it is definitely unicorn for me.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'll say unicorn.
Speaker B:Just speaking of based on the experience of the actors, it was, they definitely could have gone a different route and I could probably name a few different combinations.
Speaker B:But like, I just, I do give that them a lot of credit because like with a new project I feel like even with experienced actors it can present kind of like cold feet when you're actually in the process of the, of the development of the film.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's mine.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker A:I go rack and barely know him.
Speaker C:Because you just hate everything.
Speaker A:No, know I will give me a chance.
Speaker A:When have I ever just been completely negative besides Justice, Justice League, Batman v Superman.
Speaker A:I wasn't completely negative though.
Speaker C:Yeah, you were.
Speaker A:I gave it, I gave it some kudos.
Speaker C:I don't think you did.
Speaker C:Other than you.
Speaker C:All you said was Batman was the one good part of that movie.
Speaker C:You said everything else was that's positive.
Speaker A:I said a positive thing.
Speaker A:I wasn't completely negative.
Speaker A:Come on.
Speaker A:Here's what I'll say.
Speaker A:And I actually, I view I have a much different opinion of the supporting cast.
Speaker A:I, I do.
Speaker A:Will I give It a unicorn.
Speaker A:We'll have to see.
Speaker A:Here's.
Speaker A:Here's the thing.
Speaker A:I'm watching it and, you know, I.
Speaker A:I'm not.
Speaker A:I don't feel hooked by there.
Speaker A:Nothing is connecting with me from these main characters in these top bill.
Speaker A:Like, I just.
Speaker A:There's not.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:Competent, yes.
Speaker A:Like, serviceable.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:But I.
Speaker A:For me, a big part of it is especially with animation, and it's so difficult.
Speaker A:And again, I have been hooked by the voice acting performances that I've seen in animation before, but here I'm not.
Speaker A:I don't know if it's because it's maybe feeling stale to me, but there's nothing.
Speaker A:There's nothing giving me life from these performances.
Speaker A:So that's why.
Speaker A:Yeah, I just.
Speaker A:I didn't feel hooked.
Speaker A:And there was no.
Speaker A:There wasn't a performance pulling me in saying, I'm cheering for any of these three characters.
Speaker A:So interesting.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Snowy, on the other hand, I'm.
Speaker A:I'm like.
Speaker A:I'm like, go, Snowy.
Speaker A:I love the dog.
Speaker A:I'm like, I'm totally cheering.
Speaker A:Anytime there's a dog, I'm going, but yeah, but it doesn't matter.
Speaker A:You guys, both, you win the category.
Speaker A:So unicorn, it is 1 to 0.
Speaker A:And the ship is going up.
Speaker B:Not down.
Speaker A:Not down.
Speaker A:Supporting cast, and we will go to the list.
Speaker C:What a stacked cast.
Speaker A:Very.
Speaker B:I was very stacked.
Speaker A:I will say that Simon Pegg is Thompson.
Speaker A:Nick Frost is Thompson.
Speaker A:Daniel Mays is Alan Gad.
Speaker A:And you should.
Speaker A:You should probably let me know the ones that need to be called out because there's a ton of people here.
Speaker A:Gad El Amaya as Ben Salad.
Speaker A:And Toby Jones is Silk, the narrator and Radle.
Speaker A:Any other big ones?
Speaker C:I feel like there was a bunch.
Speaker A:There's.
Speaker A:Well, there's just so many names here.
Speaker C:But like, some very famous names all throughout.
Speaker A:This Sanjay for tag is Mr.
Speaker A:Finch.
Speaker A:That was a big one.
Speaker C:Mackenzie Cook.
Speaker C:I have seen in a lot of things.
Speaker C:Carrie Elwis was the pilot.
Speaker C:Like, you just have a ton of these people just all throughout it.
Speaker C:So, yeah, I'd say that's.
Speaker C:That probably wraps it all up there.
Speaker C:Unicorn for me.
Speaker C:Every single person, especially Thompson and Thompson out of that list.
Speaker C:Every single person just again, encapsulated the characters from the comics, but also brought their own little twist to it that.
Speaker C:That I think really added to the source material.
Speaker C:So it's a unicorn for me.
Speaker A:Okay, John.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm gonna get unicorn.
Speaker B:I thought that the.
Speaker B:I think that, like, what.
Speaker B:What this movie lacked, the supporting cast made up for Just simply, I mean, like Toby Jones was great and like, even though Barnaby was like a very minute part of the story, it really brought better context, especially the voice acting because that could have just been a one off.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Even though in the comics he's not a pivotal character, I don't think as much, but like he's very important to starting off the deposition of everything.
Speaker B:So yeah, it's a unicorn.
Speaker B:I'll give the kid.
Speaker B:The cast is, it's solid.
Speaker B:It's a solid cast.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I get what you're saying with like you're not connecting with the main characters, that you're not rooting for them.
Speaker B:But like, I didn't completely lose interest because of the supporting cast and how it did have this cool marriage with the, the main cast.
Speaker B:Because there were holes, but the holes were filled.
Speaker B:Ah.
Speaker C:With the Dick.
Speaker B:With the Philip a Dick.
Speaker C:Yeah, Phil a dick.
Speaker A:Oh my God.
Speaker A:I went unicorn here too.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:You're gonna juice of coming to peer pressure.
Speaker A:No, this isn't peer pressure.
Speaker A:I, I, I pre, I prefer repopulate every category with my thoughts.
Speaker A:Yeah, this is pre, this is predetermined.
Speaker B:Like the Lord frantically types.
Speaker C:Oh man.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I actually texted my wife and said this.
Speaker A:Guess what I'm wearing?
Speaker C:Philippe Dick.
Speaker A:A T shirt and nothing else.
Speaker A:Supporting cast.
Speaker A:I, here's the thing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm not connecting with the protagonist and the main characters here, but every time Thompson and Thompson or on screen, I'm laughing.
Speaker A:I'm loving it.
Speaker A:I actually think for it being, even though it's mocap animation, I really think the comedy from those two characters specifically like exceeds everything else in the movie.
Speaker A:Yeah, I, it's really hard to deliver comedy.
Speaker A:It's hard enough as a stand up comedian to do comedy, but from an animated character, I feel like the banter between those two is a high, it's a high level.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so it's a matured Stooges thing.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:It's who's on first.
Speaker B:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And the Waltzine was exactly that.
Speaker A:So wallet scene is the best scene in the movie.
Speaker A:To me.
Speaker A:I'm, I'm la.
Speaker A:I'm actually in a movie where I'm not feeling a lot of things.
Speaker A:I'm laughing hysterically at that moment.
Speaker B:I'm not feeling it.
Speaker B:A lot of things.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, that scene.
Speaker A:So I, I give them that and, and yeah, no, I, I think they definitely warrant a unicorn.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Cool.
Speaker A:Sam, negative 2 to 0.
Speaker A:We are getting drunk and the dog is getting us drunk.
Speaker A:Writing and let's go to that.
Speaker A:This really surprised me too.
Speaker A:We've got Edgar Wright, Steven Moffat, and Joe Cornish.
Speaker C:Is it Mofat or Moffat?
Speaker A:Moffat.
Speaker A:What am I doing with my life?
Speaker A:Moffatt.
Speaker A:And then obviously airjay gets credit as the creator.
Speaker C:A little more than a squeak over.
Speaker A:You and your squeak overs.
Speaker C:It's like a six or seven.
Speaker C:It.
Speaker C:It's, again, it is a PG movie, so there are going to be limitations, but I do think overall it tells an adventure story very well.
Speaker C:It has a very strong start, middle and end.
Speaker C:You do see some other than Tintin, who really is not supposed to develop as a character.
Speaker C:Tintin is kind of the one stable thing throughout all of the stories where he is an observer.
Speaker C:He's an outsider looking in on the situation because he is a reporter.
Speaker C:His job is to observe and report.
Speaker C:But when you look at especially Haddock's character, I think Haddock develops incredibly well over the series or over the movie.
Speaker C:And I do think that Daniel Craig's character, the descendant of Rackham, is a very formidable villain.
Speaker C:I think he brings that creepy aspect while being just over the top enough that it fits the cartoony elements.
Speaker C:But it's not so over the top that it's takes you out of it.
Speaker C:So it's a unicorn.
Speaker B:For me, it's gonna be rack and barely gnome.
Speaker B:And the reason why is because I did do.
Speaker B:I did do research on the comics here and I.
Speaker B:I just felt like there were holes that weren't skipped over because of the age restrictions on pg.
Speaker B:I just thought it was like, interesting that they, like, you know, Barnaby didn't actually die when he got shot.
Speaker B:You know, he was more.
Speaker B:They.
Speaker B:They had to cover it up to keep him safe, essentially.
Speaker B:And then, like, I also, like, I don't know, I would love to see the original, original script versus what was the final thing?
Speaker B:Because, like, when Haddock is explaining, like, like he says, like, I forgot it all, you know, And I was like, I.
Speaker B:I'm not a very good reader.
Speaker B:But, like, I just was like, I had a question around, like, what did he forget the story or.
Speaker B:Or the experiences.
Speaker B:But like, it's just like, I would like to see if there was dialogue in between that and how that was structured.
Speaker B:So I want to give it the benefit out.
Speaker B:But based upon the final product, it was just.
Speaker B:I felt there were like, holes where I'm like, I needed that extra line there for me personally.
Speaker B:But with the development of the characters, I do agree with Seth that, like, Tintin is the control of the whole entire like, he's.
Speaker B:He's the constant thing, you know, he's not.
Speaker B:He's not the enzyme.
Speaker B:He's not the bird, you know, he's not gonna speed things up.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:That's kind of.
Speaker B:He's the constant of.
Speaker B:Of commitment to developing people's personalities and getting them better to the better, whatever that looks like for that person.
Speaker B:But I also think that too, that, like, I don't know, I just.
Speaker B:The family linen lineage thing was very hard for me to decipher on my initial watching of the movie.
Speaker B:Of in what way?
Speaker B:That I just was like, okay, so there's.
Speaker B:Because it seemed like it was.
Speaker B:I followed it.
Speaker B:Like, there's three.
Speaker B:There was three sons, you know, and then they all spent time trying to find the coordinates and Haddock was the last breathing one, but I had to.
Speaker B:But we didn't find out about the third one until, like, the third ship, model ship, until later on.
Speaker B:I just felt like it was taking.
Speaker B:Every movie does this, where they take a step back, go forward in a good way.
Speaker B:But I just was having a hard time making sure that all the previous points of the ups and downs were connecting in my brain the way that the movie was intending to.
Speaker B:So, yeah, it was a.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:So it was kind of a rack and barely known.
Speaker B:But again, it's by literally like a skosh.
Speaker B:It's like that much.
Speaker C:So he's a squeak under.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Oh, you and your squeaks.
Speaker A:You gotta be all in.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Sometimes I'll go the camera, and when nothing comes back, I'm like, oh, yeah.
Speaker A:It's not a.
Speaker A:It's not a person.
Speaker A:It's an inanimate object.
Speaker B:Like, this is 60 Minutes.
Speaker A:What do you think, Kamala?
Speaker B:Joe, JB, look that up.
Speaker A:I also go rack and barely know him.
Speaker A:Very similar to what you said.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:By the end of it, there was.
Speaker A:There wasn't a payoff big enough for me.
Speaker A:Like, when he gets into the house and.
Speaker A:And they'd make the big discovery under the wall.
Speaker A:Like, by that time, I just.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:There wasn't a payoff big enough for me to care, you know, especially about.
Speaker A:About Haddock's character.
Speaker A:I was just never pulled in.
Speaker A:I was never cheering for him.
Speaker A:I think Tin Tin's a relatively neutral character for being.
Speaker A:Like you said, he is the constant, but he also is very neutral.
Speaker A:I don't feel like he ever fully develops into.
Speaker A:Like, there's not enough personality.
Speaker A:There's not enough about him to make me think this is.
Speaker A:This was the adventures of Haddock to me.
Speaker A:Was really the name that could have been the name of this movie just as easily.
Speaker C:Again, he's.
Speaker C:He's the observer.
Speaker C:He's almost the narrator of the story.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And it's really weird if your narrator develops as a character throughout the whole thing.
Speaker A:The narrating boy, adult.
Speaker A:Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:Again, my favorite characters in the movie were Thompson and Thompson, but they're not the core of this.
Speaker A:But they were the best moments.
Speaker A:I cared more about what happened to them.
Speaker A:I wanted more of them.
Speaker A:Yeah, I just.
Speaker A:There was just not.
Speaker A:I just couldn't sink my teeth into this story, and I.
Speaker A:There was no.
Speaker A:There was no good payoff for me.
Speaker C:So maybe if there was a woman with three boobs, you would have liked it.
Speaker A:Don't talk about Total Recall around me.
Speaker A:You know how that's gonna do me?
Speaker B:What would have been a big enough payoff for you in the end?
Speaker A:Well, I.
Speaker A:I just had it.
Speaker A:I think maybe giving me what.
Speaker A:You kind of alluded this to, that.
Speaker A:That there's gaps.
Speaker A:Again, I don't know the source, but, like, it seems like there were.
Speaker A:There were more stories to be told that maybe could have pulled me in more.
Speaker A:Yeah, I just, you know, I.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker A:I didn't cheer for him, you know?
Speaker A:Like, I just needed more depth, maybe could have been a big part of it.
Speaker A:Maybe more depth to the characters.
Speaker B:And that's interesting, because I would argue that Haddock actually had the most death to him because it was.
Speaker B:Yeah, this is family bloodline, but.
Speaker B:Yeah, I see what you're saying, though, at the same time.
Speaker A:Yeah, the bloodline's kind of it, though.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:It's just like, I don't see.
Speaker A:I don't see enough struggle there.
Speaker C:I mean, his struggle is living up to the legend of his ancestor.
Speaker C:Yeah, he is an alcoholic.
Speaker C:He is kind of a loser.
Speaker C:He lets some.
Speaker C:He lets his crew just take over his ship for.
Speaker C:For almost no reason other than he's a drunkard.
Speaker C:And then he gets to the point where he is the hero of the.
Speaker B:End of the story and some rich jerks, just like, I'm taking over the ship.
Speaker B:Holly will reward you.
Speaker B:And they're like, okay, yeah.
Speaker C:Hey, money's a hell of a incentivizer.
Speaker A:Pirate gentrification.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Throw the net overboard.
Speaker A:That's ugly.
Speaker A:That's so.
Speaker C:Daniel Craig is white people.
Speaker A:That is.
Speaker A: That's so: Speaker A:That's so direct.
Speaker A:Oh, hold on.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:What's our here?
Speaker A:It's 2 to 1 and the ship is tilting.
Speaker B:The ship is starting to tilt, taking on water.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:Oh, directing.
Speaker A:Steven Spielberg.
Speaker A:And it's worth noting.
Speaker A:Peter Jackson, director of the second unit.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:For me it's a unicorn.
Speaker C:They again, directing is more because neither of them wrote the script.
Speaker C:They were handed a script and they worked with what they were given.
Speaker C:However you feel about it.
Speaker C:I feel like the script was great, but whatever.
Speaker C:What they did do was they took filmmaking aspects that people had been experimenting with and I think brought them to the peak of what they should be used for outside of putting animated characters into live action films for a completely animated world using motion capture made it feel so much more real while still having the slapstick, cartoony elements of it.
Speaker C:I think, I think the fact that they chose to do it that way instead of fully animated or fully live action, I think was a great choice on their part.
Speaker C:And the visual storytelling is absolutely phenomenal in my opinion.
Speaker A:So cool.
Speaker C:Unicorn.
Speaker C:Cool.
Speaker C:I'm gonna on this in a second.
Speaker A:I love your passion.
Speaker A:I do.
Speaker A:I love your passion.
Speaker A:I love your passion more than the movie.
Speaker B:Let's just do a boy.
Speaker A:Let's just do a war card on your passion.
Speaker B:Yeah, the passion.
Speaker C:The passion of the caves.
Speaker B:No, I will go unicorn on this because I do think they pushed boundaries.
Speaker B:It's interesting that you dug in this and found out that James Cameron was basically a consultant on this because you can see that influence was there.
Speaker B:And I think that they did.
Speaker B:I think they did some pretty incredible things and I can't blame the writing on them necessarily because it's like Seth said, they were handed a script and I think they did a wonderful job with the scene.
Speaker B:Just the mocap was just insanely good.
Speaker B:It was insanely good.
Speaker B:I like the, I love the pirate ship, like the fight in the battle, all that.
Speaker B:I like the, the keg, the powder and how they like really paid attention to the falling.
Speaker B:It was very one shot.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I thought that would be insanely hard to do in Mocap, like with the.
Speaker B:Very little I know about that.
Speaker B:And I was like, okay, yeah, I'll.
Speaker B:So in that regards, I will give the directors a thumbs up because I actually think that with this one, Spielberg like did cross the line a little bit out of comfort zone.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:As this is just completely out of his wheelhouse but in a good way.
Speaker B:And he, he's not going to be the hall of Famer, you know, but he's definitely like this was best of season for sure for that.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:This is the category I went back and forth on the most.
Speaker A:I did actually land on unicorn.
Speaker C:Nice.
Speaker C:Proud of you.
Speaker A:Proud of me.
Speaker A:I didn't enjoy this, but I also.
Speaker A:I do love that Spielberg went out on a limb and tried this.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And you know, when he collaborated with others, not just Jackson, but bringing in Zemeckis and bringing in Cameron to look at it.
Speaker A:And Cameron.
Speaker C:I mean, Robert Zemeckis did the Polar Express.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker C:Which.
Speaker C:Which definitely was the.
Speaker C:That was.
Speaker C:And it's kind of like Jar Jar Binks with putting a animated character in a real movie.
Speaker C:It didn't look great.
Speaker C:It didn't come across the way they wanted it to.
Speaker C:But it.
Speaker C:It crawled so that Gollum could.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And I think the Polar Express was that.
Speaker C:To this.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's gotta start somewhere.
Speaker A:And I think it's really interesting.
Speaker A:Even though it kind of wore off the novelty for me.
Speaker A:I think it's cool.
Speaker A:And I think it's a feather.
Speaker A:And Spielberg's cap and Jackson's cap.
Speaker B:100.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I do.
Speaker A:That's why.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, like, you guys remember the, like the old Aragon movie that they.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker C:I never saw it, but I remember it.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:It was just like they were trying to do.
Speaker A:So it's.
Speaker B:We talked about, like, things that would be awkward if they try to do Mocap.
Speaker B:Like, it was just a horrible movie, horrible adaptation.
Speaker B:And it was the director's fault.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And also the scripts.
Speaker A:Fault.
Speaker B:The script didn't help it.
Speaker B:But like, you know, like with this one, like, the script might have been like, pretty bad, but I think the directors did exactly what they needed to do.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Obviously people wanted to see it.
Speaker B:They're just not in this country right now.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Open the borders.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Three to one.
Speaker A:Ten.
Speaker A:Ten.
Speaker A:Here we go.
Speaker A:What's in front of us?
Speaker A:Cinematography, production design, sound, costume.
Speaker A:And we editing.
Speaker A:And we added stunts last time, but we.
Speaker A:I guess we don't need stunts here.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I think it's a case by case.
Speaker C:Stunt cartoons for this one.
Speaker C:I'm going a pretty obvious unicorn on my part, but I think the biggest reason I'm going unicorn is, is those transitions were fucking flawless.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:Every time it would transition from not only just the storytelling of the past to coming back to Haddock telling the story, but anytime they were going between locations, those transitions were absolutely insane.
Speaker C:That one long scene, that was a straight up one shot all the way from the top of the mountain all the way down to the water.
Speaker C:I think that was such an innovative scene.
Speaker C:That kind of influenced a lot of, like, the barrel scene in the Hobbit.
Speaker C:There's a lot that I could see that influenced things Peter Jackson did later on.
Speaker C:I think it's absolutely incredible visual storytelling.
Speaker C:And the sound design, again, everything just drew me into the world.
Speaker C:I've got surround sound here.
Speaker C:And something I do love is when I can feel.
Speaker C:Feel everything around me because of the audio unicorn for me.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:No, it's great.
Speaker A:It's great.
Speaker A:It's really cute.
Speaker B:I kind of want to skip me and just go right to you.
Speaker B:That's cute.
Speaker A:Real cute.
Speaker A:Seth.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, man.
Speaker A:That's a great way to start.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:This one's actually the toughest one for me to do because, like, I, you know, I'm gonna do Unicorn, but it's by a little bit.
Speaker A:Oh, no.
Speaker B:You know why?
Speaker B:And it's because of that.
Speaker B:It really was that gunpowder scene.
Speaker B:And when he's, like, trying to.
Speaker B:He knows he's gonna put all that.
Speaker B:He's gonna go down that ship, but.
Speaker B:And it could have been corny.
Speaker B:I don't think he was corny at all.
Speaker B:Because it's like, it's clear that, you know, like, these two guys, like, it's.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Like, I would have liked to been in the room and I kind of.
Speaker B:Kind of see how it was portrayed and everything that was set up for that scene.
Speaker B:But also, it's like Seth said, like, these transitions were good.
Speaker B:I actually think that this is the.
Speaker B:The cinematography is what actually made the voice acting better.
Speaker B:It's like.
Speaker B:Is because.
Speaker B:Because, like, if it would have just been straight animation, I would have been done in, like, 35 minutes, probably.
Speaker B:But, like, it was.
Speaker B:I think this actually boosted the actors, like, performances by a long shot in.
Speaker B:But what did bug me was just like, I didn't like Tintin.
Speaker B:I know he has a cowlick in the comics, but it's just so effing pronounced.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:And I'm like, oh, it just doesn't unfold.
Speaker B:You're falling out of a plane.
Speaker B:You're not gonna.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker B:You know, that's cool.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I also thought the alcohol bubble was kind of like.
Speaker B:It lost me for a second.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That you're like.
Speaker B:It's like, we're not in zero gravity right now.
Speaker C:I mean.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:When you're falling in a plane like that, you are technically in zero gravity.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But, like, liquid doesn't become a bubble.
Speaker B:And it's all like.
Speaker C:It does.
Speaker C:That's how science works.
Speaker A:What science?
Speaker C:The science of Being in zero gravity, which when, when, when the alcohol comes out and is floating in the air.
Speaker C:That's how that works.
Speaker A:Is it really?
Speaker C:Absolutely, that's how that works.
Speaker B:See, I would have to look at it because like, if it's spirits and this is just like a science guy, I would have to look it up to figure out like what the density of it would be.
Speaker B:That type of zero g.
Speaker B:But have.
Speaker C:You ever seen anyone in the vomit rocket?
Speaker C:Yeah, they do test like that.
Speaker C:That's how that works.
Speaker A:You're a science guy.
Speaker B:Maybe I just didn't like that.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, I'm an engineer during the day.
Speaker A:Did not know that.
Speaker B:The thing that, like, I also just didn't like dogs drinking.
Speaker B:That's the one knock.
Speaker B:I was just like, all right, so we're gonna.
Speaker C:So if I draw the line, alcoholic.
Speaker B:Dogs in your, in your, in your support, I will say that like, yeah, there are certain, there are certain scientific accuracies, but we're just gonna ignore that dot.
Speaker B:Like, you know, like, we were like, dogs can't eat chocolate, but they can have green alcohol.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:I was just like, all right.
Speaker A:Yeah, all right.
Speaker B:I got a dog.
Speaker B:I got a four year old dog at home.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm not gonna let my Saint Bernard just be like, oh, I'm gonna have some Miller.
Speaker C:Yeah, give them some whiskey.
Speaker A:Where were the PETA people on this movie?
Speaker A:Like, no country for Old Men had a fake dead dog in it and they shat themselves.
Speaker A:Yeah, we got a dog drinking booze here and like, they're nowhere to be seen.
Speaker B:Yeah, they had an ugly.
Speaker C:PETA's not actually good people.
Speaker B:And Rango was an ugly gecko.
Speaker B:I bet there's some pretty geckos out there.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And that won the Oscar.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:I love that.
Speaker C:That's what you bring in.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:I'm just mad that this movie was.
Speaker B:I still think this movie should have been for an hour.
Speaker B: Oscar in: Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker B:11.
Speaker B:12.
Speaker C:12.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But it's just like, I don't know, this whole thing's like kind of like a gray blanket.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But you, you're a squeak unicorn.
Speaker B:Squeak unicorn.
Speaker B:Because like I was in at the time, it was 20, you know, 11 when I saw.
Speaker B:So I was like, this is pretty impressive.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I always miss the novelty of these things because.
Speaker A:And Seth pretty much just catches me up on everything I missed, you know.
Speaker C:Like, I mean, shits on it anyways.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I missed out on all the drama and like reading about that, historically speaking.
Speaker A:Was so disinteresting.
Speaker A:But I'm sure when you were there, I was like, oh, this is so crazy.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I, I did go rack and barely know I'm here.
Speaker A:I think there are several really awesome sequences.
Speaker A:The bird scene.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:The wallet scene.
Speaker A:And when you talked about cinematography, I'm starting off on the positive here.
Speaker A:I really love how the ship on the water looked.
Speaker A:I know that's really small, but the ship scenes and the water scenes, I thought that was actually the most brilliant looking stuff.
Speaker A:It looked better than any of the characters I love.
Speaker A:Seriously, I loved the ship.
Speaker A:I don't know why.
Speaker A:Maybe it's cuz I was getting a break from the cowlick.
Speaker A:It's like, hey, there's no people to look at here.
Speaker A:But on the negative, you know, the cowlick is a thing that, you know, knock down that wall.
Speaker A:That's what I thought when I saw this wall of hair on the front of his head.
Speaker A:I don't understand it.
Speaker A:Also, he's an ambiguous boy dolt and.
Speaker A:But the humans have big heads, but they're short in scale most the time.
Speaker A:So they're kind of similar to him.
Speaker A:I think that plays into the ambiguity is of how old he is because the adults are also kind of shrunken to me.
Speaker A:Did they look shrunken?
Speaker A:Like giant heads?
Speaker C:Thompson and Thompson did.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, I didn't like it at all.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:Yeah, but they were your favorite characters.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:You didn't like it at all.
Speaker A:No, I'm talking about the other.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker A:I like the way they look at.
Speaker A:They were, they were more to scale to me.
Speaker A:But again, I, I.
Speaker C:And I think people are going to think you and I hate each other in real life.
Speaker A:We love each other.
Speaker C:We do.
Speaker A:And this has been good for me.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker A:This has been an education for me.
Speaker A:And, and we agree on so much.
Speaker A:A lot of the time we've only had a few episodes.
Speaker A:We're like, but you know.
Speaker A:And again, I always feel guilty because I edit these and I go back down.
Speaker A:I was like, that was not nice to set.
Speaker A:I'm so sorry.
Speaker A:John probably thinks I'm an asshole.
Speaker B:Better text them both.
Speaker A:I'm sorry, guys.
Speaker C:He does.
Speaker C:He literally does.
Speaker C:He's like, I'm so sorry.
Speaker C:I'm like, I don't care for entertainment.
Speaker A:I do voiceovers where I'm more positive.
Speaker A:I'm like, oh, you're right.
Speaker A:Seth, that was wonderful.
Speaker C:This movie.
Speaker B:I love you.
Speaker A:Thanks for the coffee.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:This movie was wonderful.
Speaker A:Wonderful.
Speaker A:But I feel like it's sequences there.
Speaker A:There are really strong sequences sewed together by mediocre middle parts is kind of how I feel.
Speaker A:Like in between those, I'm, like, gasping for air.
Speaker A:That's just kind of how I feel.
Speaker A:And then the action, like, it's, it's weird because in on one hand, I'm really admiring what I'm seeing.
Speaker A: tion specifically, like, when: Speaker A:At that moment, I'm wishing just for real action, action.
Speaker A:I just want live action.
Speaker A:At that point.
Speaker A:I'm like, well, I just, I would.
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker A:The mocap was cool at the beginning, but now I just kind of wish this was real.
Speaker B:Okay, so on the flip side of that, what did you think about, like, when Red Hackman's like, right.
Speaker B:Like, just walking in the midst of the fire down the.
Speaker A:That was kind of cool.
Speaker B:The mast.
Speaker A:That was kind of cool.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:The actual is connecting there.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But it's the action that's not landing with me.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It just feels.
Speaker A:It just feels kind of disconnected.
Speaker A:And I'm just kind of like, man, I could use more oomph here.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But it doesn't matter, you guys.
Speaker A:I just had to get my negatives in.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Four to one.
Speaker A:And very positive considering all my negativity over here.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:All right, let's see.
Speaker A:I didn't even come up with a fancy title for this.
Speaker A:I don't know why.
Speaker A:I just wrote the word animation.
Speaker B:I wonder why.
Speaker A:Yeah, I.
Speaker A:This might have been where, like, I had a kid run in my room throwing up or something.
Speaker A:That happens all the time when I was making this.
Speaker B:And you're like, ah, now this movie just even got worse.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, oh, this animation.
Speaker A:I can't even come up with a category name, but what do y'all think?
Speaker A:I don't even know why I'm asking you.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker C:I mean, again, I, I, I think it's the peak of what motion capture movies can be.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:It's, it's kind of like How I Met yout Mother, for me, is the peak of what laugh track sitcoms can be because they broke so many barriers as far as how it's made.
Speaker C:This again, you have movies like the Polar Express, like Mars Needs Moms, where it's like, it's even more jarring because they're trying too hard to be realistic.
Speaker C:I think the cool thing about motion capture, which is something video games have figured out, is the reason you do motion capture is to.
Speaker C:To sure have the elements of realism, but you want to go beyond the realism.
Speaker C:You want to have some fantastical element to the realism without it looking like people are wearing prosthetics, without looking like they're wearing costumes.
Speaker C:So for me, I think that's.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's a unicorn because it broke so many barriers as far as how motion capture could be used in the industry.
Speaker A:What do you think, John?
Speaker B:Probably gonna do a.
Speaker B:A no on this just because, like, the one thing that did bother me about it.
Speaker A:Say it.
Speaker B:What is it again?
Speaker C:Barely know him.
Speaker A:Barely know him.
Speaker B:Barely rack them.
Speaker B:Barely know.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, all right, all right.
Speaker B:I just do, like, that Jason Becky voice, that guy from Chicago pd.
Speaker B:You open up an old sore in the city.
Speaker B:But no, the only reason is, like, the one thing I would have like to see, maybe as an alternative, is like, I thought the color schemes, it was just like.
Speaker B:It was interesting what they paid very close attention to.
Speaker B:Like, I did that, like, in the beginning when he's doing the caricatures and how they had, like, the real, like, what it looked like in the comics versus, like, this animation.
Speaker B:I thought that stuff was cool, but, like, things that bothered me was just like, really heightened tones, like, almost more exposure.
Speaker B:Like, the hair wasn't.
Speaker B:That didn't need to be that.
Speaker B:Some of the hair didn't have to be that point.
Speaker B:And I don't think that, you know, I just.
Speaker B:I couldn't get over there.
Speaker B:I also was like, when they found the hat too, like, with all the jewels and some of it, I felt like they could have added more to the payoff if they would have just had a little bit more attention to detail.
Speaker B:Because it literally just.
Speaker B:When I saw some of the jewels, I'm like, oh, that's just purple.
Speaker B:Like, I want them to be like, oh, that's magenta.
Speaker B:You know, that's so snobby.
Speaker B:But, like.
Speaker B:Like, I just, like.
Speaker B:I don't know that there are certain scenes in that movie where I'm like, ah, man, this.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I got taken out a little bit.
Speaker B:But I do think the cinematography, that's where it makes up that extra sketch.
Speaker B:They really were in the middle when it comes to the two characters.
Speaker B:Two characters, sorry, the two categories.
Speaker B:But, yeah, I don't know Rackham.
Speaker B:Barely know Rackham.
Speaker A:Barely know.
Speaker A:I also went rack and barely know him.
Speaker A:I think on one hand, it's highly innovative.
Speaker A:It's cool.
Speaker A:On the other hand, it wore off very quickly for me when I lost interest in the story and the characters.
Speaker A:And I was confused by the scale of the characters.
Speaker A:It's one thing that you're doing Mocap already, but then you got like the, the boy adult who's kind of weirdly similar to the adult size.
Speaker A:And everyone's wondering, like, we couldn't even agree if he was a boy or an adult at the beginning of the podcast.
Speaker A:There were so many easy choices, choices they could have made to eliminate that, and they didn't.
Speaker B:In the first scene too.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Because he's like, he's clearly 4 inches shorter than everyone else.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:And, and, but like, and then Valkyrie, I, I'm not good at names, but the antagonist in this one, he's like, he asked the, the Merchant be like.
Speaker B:And the Merchant says like, ask that boy.
Speaker B:But he's also like a full time journalist, so it's like it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So in other words, you just hate the source material and wish that they had made a difference.
Speaker C:A different movie.
Speaker A:I, well, and that actually leads to my final point, which is I think I got to point to this movie where I was like, this would have been a decent live action movie.
Speaker A:Like, I like the Mocap.
Speaker A:It's cool, it's innovative.
Speaker C:I think it would have stood up as a live action movie.
Speaker A:Well, they would have made different choices probably.
Speaker C:But yeah, I, I, well, I don't think they could have been faithful to the source material.
Speaker C:Again, I think they would have just made a different movie if it had been live action.
Speaker C:Because like, like, and granted I haven't seen the entire movie, but you look at the Super Mario Brothers movie, it looks awful.
Speaker C:Like, it looks like absolute dog as far as them trying to relate the.
Speaker C:I mean, it's the same with the Popeye movie.
Speaker C:Like, there's no reason you should have made a live action Popeye movie.
Speaker C:Yeah, it looks like utter dog.
Speaker B:It was pretty silly.
Speaker C:And so it's like, I don't think, I think this, if they had done the exact same script, exact same story, tried to do the same types of visuals, I think it would have looked cheap and terrible to try to do it with live action.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think that's like, what I mean, like the last episode we did with the Northman.
Speaker B:I like that, like, we talked about how Edgar's.
Speaker B:Like, there was a question mark between, like, this, what the helmets look like for the.
Speaker B:Yeah, you know, the Vikings.
Speaker B:But, and I think that would have been nice to see in this movie because it was so new that, like, if you don't know, go in the middle.
Speaker B:The middle, you know, but.
Speaker B:And I think they're with the animation.
Speaker B:It could have been that way a little bit more, but, you know, maybe you and I just have very specific things that bothered us.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Seth will no longer invite me over for WWE now and never come anyways, so.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, it's true.
Speaker B:I'm out of time a lot, but yeah, that's a different conversation.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think what it just speaks to is like, innovation's cool and awesome and like new things is always cool, but it's, you know, if you're not into the story or the characters, you're not connecting with anyone, that no amount of, like, cool visuals is gonna help change that.
Speaker C:If you're a peasant, then, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So what was your final category?
Speaker A:Final character?
Speaker A:Swashbuckling at the knees.
Speaker A:This is a swashbuckling movie.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Do we all remember what swashbuckling means?
Speaker A:It's, you know, typically associated with pirate movies, but like boisterous.
Speaker A:Boisterous adventure themes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Kind of slapsticky.
Speaker A:Slapsticky oysters.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Swashbuckling at the knees.
Speaker A:How does this stack up against, you know, I think of like Hook and, you know, swashbuckling pirate adventure movie.
Speaker A:You can even stack Indiana Jones.
Speaker A:All the movies that basically are associated with Steven Spielberg.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Seriously though.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:I mean, for me, I, I, I think obviously it's a different tone, but this kind of stands out up with Pirates of the Caribbean for me, which to be honest, Pirates of the Caribbean is not my favorite.
Speaker C:I watched the first two and was like, that's, that's enough.
Speaker C:I don't know why we needed five of these.
Speaker B:I agree.
Speaker C:We barely needed two of them, but the first one is a hell of a lot of fun.
Speaker C:And, and in, in a similar vein, I don't think Tintin is a perfect animated movie.
Speaker C:It is one of the best ones out there as far as bringing something new to the table, but it's far from perfect.
Speaker C:But I think it hits that adventure film swashbuckler, like, very well.
Speaker C:Whether you love the characters or love the story, it's.
Speaker C:I think you would be hard pressed to say it was not a fun movie.
Speaker C:It's a very fun movie to get through.
Speaker C:So for me, it's a unicorn.
Speaker C:It doesn't matter.
Speaker C:I've already won this one.
Speaker C:So it's already four.
Speaker A:At least he's been swashbuckling over here.
Speaker B:Well, here's the thing.
Speaker B:Like you mentioned, like, Spielberg's work is like a whole.
Speaker B:And like it's kind of like when someone has, like, a really fancy collection of guitars or cars or something that's really fun and unique, you know, Like, I think of, like, this movie is like, the weird Japanese version that's.
Speaker B:Yeah, but it's French instead, and.
Speaker B:But it was cool, so.
Speaker A:With a cowlick.
Speaker B:With a cow and.
Speaker B:Yeah, just some.
Speaker A:Or.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I would.
Speaker B:I would give it a unicorn.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker B:It's a quality enough offset from what he normally does that.
Speaker B:Is it perfect?
Speaker B:Absolutely not.
Speaker B:But, like, is it also pretty good?
Speaker B:Yeah, it's.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's pretty good for what he was trying to do with it for the time being.
Speaker B:So I'll give it to you.
Speaker A:You kind of, like, glared at me instantly.
Speaker A:It's amazing.
Speaker A:I noticed that the minute you said unicorn, he went, what are you to do, mister?
Speaker A:No, it's interesting.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:Yeah, I.
Speaker A:I went, no, here.
Speaker A:I went, rack and barely know him.
Speaker A:And here's the thing.
Speaker A:For all the movies that you can associate with swashbuckling, and we'll just.
Speaker A:We'll stick specifically to Spielberg, Hook, Indiana Jones, those movies.
Speaker A:I would rather just watch those movies than watch this movie.
Speaker A:That's kind of what it came down to for me for that movie.
Speaker B:Like, all the Indiana Jones.
Speaker A:Not all, but the first three.
Speaker A:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker B:Well, yeah, not the last.
Speaker A:The first three.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:I'm one of the weird ones, I guess.
Speaker C:I love all five of them.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:That's cool.
Speaker A:No, that's cool.
Speaker A:They're still.
Speaker A:I mean, they're still better than a lot of stuff out there.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:But I.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:You know, again, the novelty of how this looks wore off pretty quickly for me, so then it was left up to the arcs and the characters and the story.
Speaker A:And for me, there's just movies that do this better.
Speaker A:The Pirates of the Caribbean being one.
Speaker A:I would rather watch that than this.
Speaker A:This.
Speaker A:I can't think of a single.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:What this category came down to for me is I can't imagine a single movie in that category that I would rather watch or that I would rather watch this over, and I couldn't think of one.
Speaker B:Oh, that's a good way of looking at it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:See, I feel the opposite.
Speaker C:Every single one of those.
Speaker C:Granted, I haven't seen Hook, but every single one of those movies you mentioned.
Speaker A:I would rather watch Hook's awesome.
Speaker B:Hook was dope.
Speaker A:Yeah, Hook's so awesome.
Speaker C:Maybe.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:Let's do that, and I can shit on your favorite movie.
Speaker A:Hey, Hook is not one of my favorite movies.
Speaker A:It's I like it.
Speaker A:But it's.
Speaker A:You're not.
Speaker A:I won't die in this for Hook this.
Speaker C:Just so you know, this doesn't even make it into my top 25.
Speaker A:It doesn't.
Speaker A:I thought it's not in your list.
Speaker A:Is it in your top 50?
Speaker C:It's in my top 50.
Speaker A:I thought it was on your list.
Speaker B:Yeah, see, I would have put it in the top 25 not even knowing the rest of your list right now.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:The way you're talking about it.
Speaker C:Because it's great and you're wrong.
Speaker A:Okay, you know what?
Speaker A:You still won.
Speaker A:I tried to get John to get us one last negative there and.
Speaker A:But it was five to two.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:So it didn't matter.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:That's what sucks about when I do decide to be negative.
Speaker A:It's never.
Speaker A:It's never decided anything.
Speaker A:I always get overruled.
Speaker A:So you guys, I will, I will.
Speaker B:Say I'll add on this note here.
Speaker B:I rewatched this movie in an Airport at 2am in New Orleans.
Speaker B:So this is a lot of this.
Speaker B:Maybe negativity might be based in that, but it.
Speaker B:I think that's also like, that puts you back.
Speaker C:Rewatch it with Paula.
Speaker C:I would be interested to hear her thoughts on it doesn't have to be tomorrow.
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker B:She loves animated films like in CGI and sorry, CGI in vocab films.
Speaker B:So yeah, maybe.
Speaker B:Maybe the wife is the final fact.
Speaker A:That's always, that's always a good way to pitch it.
Speaker A:Be like maybe your wife will correct your thinking on this.
Speaker B:Maybe she'll fix this five to two story.
Speaker C:I'm actually interested to hear her thoughts on it because I know she does like these types of movies.
Speaker C:So I would be interested to see her.
Speaker C:Her kind of thoughts coming from.
Speaker C:Because I'm not even that much of an animation buff.
Speaker C:There's a few like we were talking about with movies or Miyazaki.
Speaker C:I will watch anything Miyazaki puts out, hands down.
Speaker C:But let's.
Speaker C:Like when it comes to computer animation especially, I'm very hit or miss.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:I genuinely only like maybe 20 or 30% of the Pixar movies that are out there.
Speaker C:Like for the most part, none of them really draw me in very well.
Speaker C:This one, I don't know, it just.
Speaker C:It hit a lot of good points for me.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, you're gonna laugh.
Speaker A:Speaking of wives, we're at this point in the podcast where Renee, my wife, walked in on me watching this.
Speaker A:She goes, is this one of Seth's Movies.
Speaker B:That's hilarious.
Speaker A:She goes, does Seth pick this one?
Speaker A:She hasn't even met Seth, but she just.
Speaker A:Because I talk about the podcast all the time.
Speaker A:Seth, pick this.
Speaker A:This is not your kind of movie.
Speaker A:I was like, that's correct.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's so funny because my wife texted me and she's like, are you not gonna sleep at all?
Speaker B:I'm like, no, I'm watching the Adventures of Tintin.
Speaker B:And then she calls me like, why?
Speaker B:And I was like, well, I gotta.
Speaker B:What I'm doing with this podcast.
Speaker B:And I've seen this movie.
Speaker B:I've seen both of them.
Speaker B:But I.
Speaker B:I have.
Speaker B:I have to see it from what.
Speaker B:I was.
Speaker B:Yeah, whatever.
Speaker B:14 year old when this came out.
Speaker B:I don't know what I was.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I told my wife, I was like, seth said, this movie's depressing.
Speaker A:She's like, you know, not everyone likes to be depressed like you.
Speaker C:I didn't say it was depressing.
Speaker A:No, not.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:There was a movie where you.
Speaker A:You texted me.
Speaker A:I'm trying to remember which one it was that you said, this is a depressing movie.
Speaker C:Oh, it was probably.
Speaker C:It was Devil.
Speaker A:And my wife was like, not everyone likes watching the movies.
Speaker B:That elevator movie.
Speaker A:Oh, no.
Speaker A:The Devil before the Devil Knows yous dad with Philip Seymour.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Really uplifting.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, I've heard.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Just like the Adventures of Tintin.
Speaker A:Well, this was a blast.
Speaker A:It was so fun to have you here, man.
Speaker A:That was.
Speaker B:I'd love to come back.
Speaker A:Yeah, we would love to have you.
Speaker B:Yeah, I love movies.
Speaker B:I watch them all time.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:What are your socials, by the way?
Speaker A:This one for people to follow.
Speaker B:It's John G O H N the Toy D A T O Y.
Speaker B:That's my.
Speaker B:Pretty much my social for everything.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker B:I'm trying to get it switched over on Facebook, but like.
Speaker B:Yeah, does Elon.
Speaker B:Oh, Facebook now?
Speaker C:No, dog.
Speaker B:It's still suck, dog.
Speaker B:Yeah, they're just making everything tough on me right now.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Reels and stuff.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, follow this guy.
Speaker A:I cannot recommend you seeing this guy.
Speaker A:He's one of the funniest people in our town.
Speaker A:But he's.
Speaker A:He's escaping our town.
Speaker A:He's going to places like Louisiana, all over the place.
Speaker A:But please go support this guy doing stand up.
Speaker A:He's hilarious.
Speaker B:Cake.
Speaker A:He's my Filipino brother.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm the new host.
Speaker B:I'm like the add on.
Speaker B:I'm like the dusty.
Speaker B:I'm just gonna get us off track.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So you guys were thinking of the moon?
Speaker A:Well, hopefully we find a better adventure for the next one.
Speaker A:I'm just kidding.
Speaker A:No, I love Seth's list.
Speaker A:It's great.
Speaker A:It challenges me.
Speaker A:I love you guys.
Speaker A:Thanks for tuning in.
Speaker A:I'm Kyle.
Speaker C:I'm Seth.
Speaker B:And I'm John.
Speaker B:Detour.
Speaker A:Love y'all.
Speaker B:Movie Wars.
