Episode 51

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3rd Oct 2024

The Crow (1994)

We're excited to start our The Crow series! This episode of the Movie Wars podcast dives deep into the cult classic "The Crow," highlighting its unique blend of revenge, tragedy, and artistry. Kyle invites Nashville comedians and film auteurs Drew Davis and Seth Kays to guest host The Crow series. The hosts discuss the film's impact, particularly focusing on Brandon Lee's iconic performance and the hauntingly atmospheric setting that contributes to the story's emotional weight. With insightful commentary on the supporting cast, including memorable villains and their creative deaths, the conversation reveals how each character's demise resonates with their crimes. The episode also explores the significance of the film's aesthetic choices, from the deliberate color palette to the use of miniatures, which give the city a character of its own. Listeners can expect a mix of comedy and thoughtful analysis as the hosts reflect on what makes "The Crow" a timeless piece of cinema that continues to resonate with audiences today.

Also, this episode utilized Kyle's new War Card formula for the new and improved MWP 2.0 format!

Takeaways:

  • The podcast discusses the cultural impact of 'The Crow' and its tragic backstory, including Brandon Lee's untimely death during filming.
  • The hosts highlight the unique and memorable villains in 'The Crow', emphasizing their one-dimensionality yet effective portrayals.
  • There is a focus on the film's soundtrack, especially how it enhances emotional moments and complements the visuals.
  • The setting of 'The Crow' is analyzed as a character in itself, with its gritty and dark atmosphere contributing significantly to the story.
  • Brandon Lee's involvement in the makeup and wardrobe choices is praised for adding authenticity to his portrayal of Eric Draven.
  • The episode concludes with a discussion on how the themes of revenge and justice are timeless, resonating with audiences even today.

A vibrant discussion unfolds as Kyle reunites with his comedian co-hosts, Drew Davis and Seth Kays, to dissect the cult classic, The Crow. Kyle's passion for the film is palpable as he recounts its significance in his life, ranking it among his top 50 films and expressing dismay over the 2024 reboot. The episode dives into the heart of the film, exploring Brandon Lee's impactful performance and the tragic circumstances surrounding his death, which adds a layer of poignancy to the viewing experience. Each co-host shares their unique perspectives on the film, with Drew and Seth bringing humor and insight into the narrative's themes of loss and revenge.

As the conversation progresses, the trio analyzes the memorable supporting characters, highlighting the performances of actors like Michael Wincott and David Patrick Kelly. They discuss how these characters contribute to the film's overall atmosphere, each embodying distinct traits that make them unforgettable. The hosts also delve into the film's soundtrack, emphasizing how it enhances key moments and adds emotional depth to the storytelling. The discussion flows seamlessly between analysis and personal anecdotes, creating an engaging dynamic that keeps listeners entertained.


The episode culminates in a thoughtful examination of revenge as a central theme in The Crow, with the hosts debating the moral implications of Eric Draven's journey. They explore how the film's portrayal of an anti-hero resonates with audiences, allowing for a complex discussion about the nature of justice and vengeance in cinema. Kyle, Drew, and Seth wrap up the episode by reflecting on the impact of The Crow on the genre, expressing their hopes for the upcoming reboot while celebrating the original's legacy. This lively and insightful discussion is a treat for fans of The Crow and anyone interested in the deeper themes of film.

Takeaways:

  • Kyle expresses his excitement about discussing 'The Crow', a film that ranks in his top 50, and shares his dismay over the upcoming 2024 reboot.
  • The podcast emphasizes how the unique villains in 'The Crow' contribute significantly to the film's overall impact and storytelling.
  • Drew highlights how the film's flashbacks serve as effective exposition, enhancing the viewer's understanding without overwhelming the narrative.
  • Seth discusses the importance of the film's setting, noting how it acts as a character itself, filled with grit and atmosphere.
  • The panel agrees on the effectiveness of the film's soundtrack, linking emotion and scene to create a lasting impression.
  • Listeners are reminded of Brandon Lee's tragic death and its impact on the film's legacy, making 'The Crow' a poignant viewing experience.
Transcript
Kyle:

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the movie wars podcast.

Kyle:

My name is Kyle.

Kyle:

I'm so glad to be back with you.

Kyle:

And I feel like a little worm on a big fucking hook.

Kyle:

I'm Kyle.

Seth:

I'm Seth.

Drew:

And I'm Drew.

Kyle:

I'm so excited, movie wars fans, as you know, we had to take a little break.

Kyle:

I know you missed Drew and Phil.

Kyle:

Drew's going to come back eventually and do a couple things later in the year.

Kyle:

They got busy, though, and so I had to retool the format.

Kyle:

And I was so lucky.

Kyle:

I opened up the form and two of my great comedian buddies who were also movie fanatics in and of themselves, not just from an industry perspective, but you have your own movie podcast, Drew.

Kyle:

I don't want to take up their cloud.

Kyle:

I want you to introduce yourselves, tell people who you are and what you do there.

Kyle:

Seth.

Seth:

Hey, I'm Seth Kayesen.

Seth:

Yeah, I actually, in addition to being a comedian, I'm also a filmmaker as well.

Seth:

I've made music videos, short films.

Seth:

I've worked on feature films and tv shows.

Seth:

So loving movies is not just a passion.

Seth:

It's also an attempt at being an actual career for me.

Seth:

So I'm real excited to get this going.

Kyle:

Love it, Drew.

Drew:

I'm.

Drew:

I guess you guys call me Drew 2.0.

Drew:

I'm another Drew, Drew Davis.

Drew:

I'm.

Drew:

I'm also a comedian.

Drew:

I produce shows.

Drew:

I have a brand that just does a lot of comedy and working with comedians called Quarter Mile Entertainment.

Drew:

I also have another podcast called the Quarter Mile Podcast, which is more really into fast and furious.

Drew:

We're finishing up our season one right now with Fast and Furious, and then we haven't told people what we're doing for season two yet, but you'll have to go check that one out soon.

Drew:

But I'm also a big fan of movies.

Drew:

I think what I bring to the table here or to the living room.

Seth:

We got a table.

Drew:

Yeah, there is a beautiful table right here is both.

Drew:

Kyle and Seth are guys that know stuff and have educated reasons for how they feel about whatever movies they watch.

Drew:

And I love that I'm just a guy that likes movies.

Drew:

If I have a good time with it, then it's a good movie.

Drew:

So I'm excited.

Drew:

Do they know about the series that we're about to go into, or.

Kyle:

Yeah, well, they are.

Kyle:

Some of them are listening to the Mad Max series.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

So we haven't really had a chance to preface this.

Kyle:

Preface them on the Crow series.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

So we're in the crow and this.

Drew:

I've never.

Drew:

This was my first time watching the crow, and this will be my first time every episode watching the movies.

Drew:

And I just.

Drew:

I just enjoy watching stuff.

Drew:

And, you know, these guys will give you a good context on important things.

Drew:

I'll just give my opinions on things, and it'll be great.

Kyle:

Yeah, I love it.

Kyle:

And I can't say enough good things about the quarter mile podcast.

Kyle:

When you.

Kyle:

When you and I first met, you told me you had a podcast only dedicated to the Fast and Furious.

Kyle:

I was like, seems like a smart guy.

Kyle:

I've seen him do stand up.

Kyle:

I know he's hilarious.

Kyle:

But I was like, I got to hear this because.

Kyle:

And you did.

Kyle:

You keep the feather in the air really well.

Kyle:

Like, you like to focus on one franchise, so, like, it seems like it would be dangerous, but you navigate it so well.

Kyle:

It's entertaining, it's funny.

Kyle:

So it's truly an honor to have you here bringing that to the.

Drew:

Thank you so much.

Drew:

And it's weird.

Drew:

What?

Drew:

It was weird watching a not fast and furious movie.

Drew:

I was like.

Drew:

I was like, what?

Drew:

Is this neat?

Drew:

This movie needs more Vin Diesel.

Drew:

When is he coming out to need more family?

Kyle:

And the best thing you do is you've managed, even in the past week.

Kyle:

Like, we had a show together last week, and you managed to reference your brand.

Kyle:

Cause that's not just your podcast.

Kyle:

You managed.

Kyle:

You dropped the title of it in random sentences where you're talking like, I just live my life a quarter mile.

Kyle:

I was like, I don't have anything like that in my life where I can just be like, I just movie wars at one movie wars that I don't have.

Drew:

We'll work on that.

Drew:

We'll workshop it.

Drew:

We'll start finding some movie wars related.

Drew:

I don't know.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Well, as drew hinted at, we are diving into the crow.

Kyle:

And if you've been listening to movie wars for a while, I've hinted.

Kyle:

I've begged for years to do the crow because it is in my top 50, and it's one of those movies from childhood that just has stayed with me all these years.

Kyle:

My passion to do it was invigorated.

Kyle:

Recently.

Kyle:

Well, not recently, actually, when I first heard that they were gonna redo the crow and a lot of fans and I didn't realize, I thought it was just me that clung to this film, but a lot of people out there were upset.

Seth:

No.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Seth:

I've heard so many interesting things about the new one.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Seth:

Not many good.

Drew:

I was gonna say.

Drew:

I've heard nothing good.

Drew:

I'm gonna feel bad if I come when we do that.

Drew:

And you guys are like, this is the worst.

Drew:

And I'm like, I kind of enjoyed it.

Drew:

I feel like I'll feel like a terrible person.

Kyle:

Yeah, I'm saving my viewing just for the podcast.

Kyle:

I knew I wanted to save it.

Kyle:

I didn't want to have any stain in terms of watching it.

Kyle:

And I think people are mad because a lot of people say, well, they've done a bunch of other ones, but they didn't tackle Eric Draven, all the other characters.

Kyle:

It's not Shelly anymore.

Kyle:

Like, they.

Kyle:

Sarah, they kept around, but Sarah, her actress, didn't die on set.

Kyle:

You know, wasn't the daughter of a legend.

Kyle:

You know, like, there's even Ernie Hudson came out, who I love, came out and said, this is.

Kyle:

This is Brandon's movie, and we can't.

Kyle:

And so a lot of people, even from the crew, if Michael Massey were here today, I know he would be upset.

Kyle:

Unfortunately, he died in:

Kyle:

Yeah, yeah.

Kyle:

And he, you know, and he didn't act for a long time after the accident.

Kyle:

We'll get to it later.

Seth:

Well, I actually have a special connection to the crow, the original one, because when I went and got my first tattoo, which is the bat signal on the inside of my arm here, that was the movie that the tattoo artist decided to play while I was getting my tattoo.

Kyle:

Wow.

Seth:

Yeah.

Seth:

I was sitting there laying on the table with all sorts of needles going into my arm watching this movie.

Seth:

Just like, wow, this is crazy.

Drew:

You were watching the crow as you're getting Batman, literally.

Drew:

It would have been so weird if you're like, you know, this movie's so good.

Drew:

Switch it up.

Kyle:

You know what?

Seth:

Turn the back signal into a crow.

Seth:

Like, I'm done.

Kyle:

More like Bruce Lane.

Kyle:

Let's get out of that.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

And so it was really interesting to hear that I wasn't alone.

Kyle:

And so, you know, I felt supported in that way.

Kyle:

And I was like, wow.

Kyle:

A lot of people were like me and loved this film.

Kyle:

I'm reading Reddit and Twitter, and people all over the place are.

Kyle:

And I'm like, okay, maybe I'm not a weirdo.

Seth:

I mean, that's.

Seth:

The jury's still out on that one.

Kyle:

Yeah, well, yeah, I'm a weirdo.

Seth:

This is not for that reason.

Kyle:

This is my one normalcy.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

I was like, I'm not gonna go that far.

Kyle:

Yeah, yeah.

Kyle:

You're like, sure.

Seth:

We all try to make people laugh for a living.

Seth:

We're all weirdos.

Kyle:

Yeah, we have affirmation issues that run very deep.

Kyle:

Deep or beyond the crow.

Seth:

Oh, yeah.

Drew:

So, like.

Drew:

And subscribe to make us feel like we matter in the world.

Kyle:

Exactly.

Seth:

Give us purpose.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

So, you know, and so this gave me an excuse to finally.

Kyle:

To dive into the series.

Kyle:

There's so much about the movie.

Kyle:

One thing I love is that as someone that grew up in turmoil and craziness, you know, James Obar, who wrote the original comic, you know, wrote this.

Kyle:

He was an amazing artist, but he did horrible in school.

Kyle:

He talks about how he had surpassed all of his art teachers, and he was an orphan, and he didn't get adopted until he was seven years old.

Kyle:

And he was kicked around from, you know, from foster family to foster family.

Kyle:

And so his art was how he coped.

Kyle:

Um, and he.

Kyle:

He started writing the crow and illustrating the crow.

Kyle:

When he finally found this.

Kyle:

This woman, he was in an incredible relationship, and he talks about how if he was dark, she was light, and she was incredible, and they were engaged for three years, and she was the best thing to ever happen to him in his very dark life.

Kyle:

And she died.

Kyle:

She got hit by a drunk driver.

Kyle:

And so he.

Kyle:

This story was birthed from that.

Kyle:

And this is, he talks about.

Kyle:

This was his coping mechanism.

Kyle:

Never did he write it thinking it would become this thing that literally stuck with people for decades.

Seth:

Here we are 30 years later, and.

Kyle:

We'Re talking about this, and I couldn't wait.

Kyle:

I couldn't wait to watch it for the hundredth time.

Kyle:

I was just like, I get to watch the crow again.

Kyle:

And so he's a very interesting guy.

Kyle:

So I love that aspect of it.

Kyle:

There's another aspect of this film, and I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.

Kyle:

I moved to Nashville originally as a musician.

Kyle:

Music's very important to me, and the soundtrack, and I get it.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

I'm not alone here.

Kyle:

And you're in film.

Kyle:

Like, you've.

Kyle:

You make films.

Kyle:

I would love to hear your perspective, because I know for a fact that not every director or.

Kyle:

Or anybody involved in a film goes in thinking, this is the soundtrack.

Kyle:

Typically, that's a post effort.

Kyle:

There are moments in this, specifically the nine Inch Nails cover of the Dead Souls, where he's jumping from rooftop to rooftop.

Kyle:

It's so rhythmically aligned and perfect that I'm thinking that that was premeditated, almost definitely.

Seth:

See, because, yeah, this is the thing.

Seth:

Some directors, the music is definitely an afterthought, but I've especially noticed a trend recently where so many directors actually go into the script, hearing the soundtrack.

Seth:

And a lot of times, you'll actually see songs be put into the script, or either it'll say this song needs to play, or something like, this song should be played.

Seth:

James Gunn is actually, I feel like, kind of the one who spearheaded that recently because when he started doing Guardians of the Galaxy, like, he had that full seventies soundtrack in his head, and that was kind of what drove a lot of the stylistic choices that he made with that movie.

Seth:

And it continued over the next two.

Drew:

I mean, it makes so much sense because music helps you feel things, like tones of everything, tones of certain styles, and music draws out emotions and connections, and so it really can take a good movie and make it great having a soundtrack when they have intentional music going into.

Drew:

And we noticed that with the crow, like, I mean, the songs fit.

Drew:

I even remember I was, like, when I was watching the movie, I had, like, a Facebook status that I made, and I was making, like, my commentary, and one of my comments was like, this movie probably has an awesome soundtrack.

Drew:

And then, sure enough, someone like, it does, and here it is.

Kyle:

It's one of the best.

Drew:

And I love it because, I mean, that just really connects with you when you're watching it.

Drew:

You don't realize that how you feel about whatever's going on in the movie is being elevated and amplified by whatever song or track or instrumental is going on.

Kyle:

So such wonderful points.

Kyle:

And it's crazy how visual it is and how visceral, because I hear those songs.

Kyle:

I now listen to them regularly.

Kyle:

I have for a long time, and I visualize the movie scene it's in.

Kyle:

I actually have, like, golgotha testament blues when funboy shoots, you know, draven through the hand.

Kyle:

That song, like, I woke up this morning, that was the first song I thought of.

Kyle:

Like, it just.

Drew:

That's completely normal.

Kyle:

Yeah, exactly.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Not a weirdo.

Kyle:

Not a weirdo on this.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

And big empty, of course.

Kyle:

You know, I grew up.

Kyle:

My.

Kyle:

I grew up during the era of, you know, Seattle music.

Kyle:

I don't call it grunge.

Kyle:

Cause they hated the word grunge.

Drew:

Oh, okay.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

So I don't call it that either.

Kyle:

But, you know, my favorite band of all time is Alice and chains.

Kyle:

I liked Stone temple pilots.

Kyle:

Like, I wasn't super deep into their stuff, but then I heard big empty in this song, and I was like, what is that?

Seth:

Yeah.

Kyle:

And I found out.

Kyle:

And now, like, I've, you know, at this stage of my life, I've bought every STP on.

Kyle:

On at least some on cassette cd.

Kyle:

Then I bought them digitally, and now I've bought them all on vinyl.

Kyle:

Like, they.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

Nice.

Kyle:

Scott Wylan.

Kyle:

Rest easy, buddy.

Seth:

Because Chester Bennington took over for an album after that.

Kyle:

Yep.

Seth:

Yeah.

Seth:

It's just.

Seth:

It's the history of that band is insane.

Drew:

I love that you heard one song in the crow, and then you developed, like.

Drew:

And then you got, like, a favorite band out of it.

Kyle:

I did.

Drew:

That's so cool.

Kyle:

I did.

Kyle:

Well, that song is as a musician, it's just that the Stone Temple pilots were so interesting because they were, you know, two.

Kyle:

Two of them.

Kyle:

The founding members are members that were also the main composers.

Kyle:

The DeLeo brothers were jazz musicians, but they had this rock, so they did.

Kyle:

They did all this in that sleazy bass line.

Kyle:

And they get to that.

Kyle:

It's just such a, like, like:

Kyle:

dive bar bass line.

Seth:

Oh, yeah.

Kyle:

And it matches t bird perfectly.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

You know, the music and just the whole style of the movie was so fun because it was like all this, like, nineties nostalgia, you know, like, it's been a while since I watched, like, a good nineties movie.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

One thing I liked about the movie, and you saw this more in older movies, was because now we.

Drew:

In any movies that we watch today that's modern, I feel like they have to give you a lot of exposition.

Drew:

Like, this is what's happening right now.

Drew:

This is the background.

Kyle:

Yes.

Seth:

Here is the world.

Drew:

But in this movie, like, you went into it.

Drew:

At least I went into it knowing nothing about anyone.

Drew:

And there were times where I was like, what's going on?

Drew:

And nobody was telling me, where's the exposition guy?

Drew:

There wasn't.

Drew:

And then you would learn, as the movie was going on, the plot, instead of it being told to you kind of in the end.

Drew:

So it was interesting.

Drew:

Cause I feel like I've gotten used to them just telling me what I need to know and actually having to figure it out.

Drew:

Wow.

Drew:

But it was.

Drew:

I ended up enjoying it.

Kyle:

You know, it's such a great point.

Kyle:

And what you're pointing out is something that Alex proyus, the director, pointed out on the commentary.

Kyle:

They were afraid with how simple that it was.

Kyle:

They were like, the plot is too simple, and like, we.

Kyle:

It's not complex enough, and people are going to think this is boring.

Kyle:

But he said all the gaps were filled in by Brandon Lee's performance.

Kyle:

Oh, yeah.

Seth:

Hundred percent.

Kyle:

Everything he did, from the method acting to how he owned the character.

Kyle:

He said any concern we had about this being too simplistic was filled in.

Seth:

By his performance, he provided so much depth to that role that, like, you were saying that you didn't have any background on anything.

Seth:

You literally start the movie and he's dead, and you don't know anything about who he was before all this happened.

Seth:

But the moment he comes out of that grave, you could just see on his face that he has fully embodied this character.

Drew:

Yeah, it was fun because I kept feeling like, did I miss something?

Drew:

Like, am I supposed to know something?

Drew:

And that.

Drew:

But it was okay.

Drew:

And then what they did really well, or.

Drew:

And maybe it wasn't intentional, but, like.

Drew:

And maybe it was, though I was about to have a complaint about the movie where I was like, I was like, okay, is he just invincible the whole time?

Drew:

And because, like, to me, that, like, took away, like, all tension in any of the fights.

Drew:

Like, oh, well, of course he's the one.

Drew:

And.

Drew:

And right when I started kind of getting annoyed that there wasn't, like, a kryptonite or there wasn't, like, a.

Drew:

Something, you know?

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

Um, that was when they brought in, like, the.

Drew:

With the crow and the feather and the asian lady.

Drew:

So.

Kyle:

Yeah, and that.

Drew:

And, like, when I was watching, it was right when I started being like, okay, if this is the way the movie is, and I'm gonna get bored real quick.

Drew:

It was right when I had that thought.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

That it's like they knew in making the movie, they were like, we're gonna have to put the tension in at some point.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

Picked a really good time for it.

Kyle:

Yeah, it's a great point.

Kyle:

And originally, what they were gonna do was he was supposed to.

Kyle:

Every time he helped a human, because he was there solely as a member of the dead to justify the one thing that happened to him, and he was gonna get back out.

Kyle:

The original method was that he.

Kyle:

Every time he helped a living person, that did justify his cause, he was gonna lose levels of invincibility.

Drew:

Oh, I like that.

Drew:

I almost wish they.

Drew:

I wish they would have kept that because that would have added, like, a different.

Drew:

It would have literally humanize him.

Drew:

But, like, also, like, him having to choose, do I keep my invincibility that will help my mission, or do I help this person in need?

Drew:

And of course, you know, watching the good guy help people in need, it makes you care for them more.

Seth:

But at the same time, I feel like it would have ended up doing what you were talking about earlier, how it would have had to make them tell why this is happening.

Seth:

I feel it would have been very difficult to just show that that's a thing.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Seth:

Like, I feel like there would have had to been, like, two minutes where someone's like, oh, well, he's helping this person and now he's weaker.

Seth:

Like, we have to explain this to the audience.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Seth:

I feel like the way that they did end up doing it because, like, honestly, one of my favorite moments was when he, he, like, touches Darla and, and the morphine comes out of her.

Seth:

That was such a cool moment.

Seth:

And I feel like that would have been totally ruined if he sat there and was just like, oh, no, now I'm weaker.

Kyle:

Yeah, yeah, I know.

Kyle:

Yeah, well, yeah, and you're right.

Kyle:

And what you're hitting on is why they actually got rid of it is because it was in the comic.

Kyle:

It was attached to this character called the skull cowboy.

Kyle:

And the skull cowboy was almost this arbiter type, ghostly character that would tell, tell Draven that these things were happening.

Kyle:

And he was, it was almost like he was his tour guide.

Kyle:

Like, the crow was pretty much given distinguished responsibility for being his usher through the world.

Kyle:

But the school cowboy was supposed to be, like, almost this purely informative person or this informative character that tells him.

Kyle:

But the reason it didn't do it was, first of all, exactly what you said.

Kyle:

His only purpose was to tell Brandon, you're getting weaker.

Seth:

Which works in comic form, would not have worked so well in comic form.

Kyle:

And the costume, they couldn't nail it.

Kyle:

They said they just couldn't get it.

Kyle:

To not to not.

Kyle:

It looks great in the comics, but they could not nail it.

Kyle:

And it just looked cheesy.

Kyle:

Brandon hated it.

Kyle:

Alex hated it.

Kyle:

So they just had to get rid of it.

Drew:

I kind of get that.

Drew:

And, like, just the idea of, like, all this, like, nineties grunge.

Drew:

No, not today.

Kyle:

Oh, dare you.

Seth:

Nineties, Seattle.

Drew:

Nineties Seattle vibes.

Drew:

And then, oh, look, there's a cowboy.

Seth:

Yeah, a skull cowboy would have been very weird.

Kyle:

And how many skull characters have we had in comic book universe?

Kyle:

We've had the red skull.

Kyle:

Yeah, enough with the skulls already.

Kyle:

You put a cowboy hat on it.

Kyle:

That's supposed to be better.

Kyle:

Like, we see what you're doing.

Kyle:

You're common during the whole school thing.

Kyle:

Yeah, yeah.

Seth:

I think the way that they ended up doing it just, just genuinely served the movie to its best potential.

Drew:

And it helped me too, because, like, the whole time I'm like, what?

Drew:

What is with this crow?

Drew:

Like, no one does.

Drew:

Nobody noticed.

Drew:

Like, there's just like, we were like, oh, hey, what, what's the deal with your crow, or no one ever.

Drew:

No one ever asked.

Drew:

And then finally the.

Drew:

And honestly, like, I.

Drew:

The asian lady kind of snuck up on me because, you know, we see from the main villain, he's just got all these women he's get.

Drew:

Getting with, so I thought she was just, like, another prostitute or whatever, and then she, like, has something of substance to offer, and that sounds mean.

Drew:

I shouldn't say just like that, but.

Drew:

Because, you know, sex workers have something to offer anyway.

Drew:

Anyway, but.

Drew:

And then she's like, just how?

Drew:

She just knew.

Drew:

She's like, oh, yeah, if we mess with a crow, that.

Kyle:

Yeah, that'll.

Kyle:

I mean, yeah, that.

Kyle:

And the quasi incest.

Seth:

Yeah, yeah.

Seth:

And the eyeballs.

Kyle:

Yeah, yeah.

Kyle:

Which we.

Kyle:

Yeah, they love burning eyeballs.

Seth:

This is your sister?

Seth:

Yes, my father's daughter.

Kyle:

I guess you have a really raspy voice, so you can say whatever you want, I guess.

Drew:

Yeah.

Seth:

I just want to know, was her mom asian or was their dad asian?

Seth:

Like, what was going on?

Kyle:

And her name is Micah.

Seth:

Yeah.

Kyle:

And it's spelled weird.

Kyle:

You know, it's like, weird Micah.

Drew:

So.

Kyle:

And the last thing I'll put around it, I think one thing.

Kyle:

The reason this movie had so much staying power is, is it's.

Kyle:

And it's not to discredit the.

Kyle:

The tragedy, but the tragedy itself wrapped around the movie.

Kyle:

You know, their decision to go forward with the movie was to honor Brandon.

Kyle:

The production company didn't want to go through with it, but they said they were looking at the film like, Brandon did such excellent work here.

Kyle:

He would.

Kyle:

He would want it.

Kyle:

And I think, honestly, that stamp.

Kyle:

Put a stamp on it.

Kyle:

It's like, in the fact that he's Bruce Lee's son, and Bruce Lee died under mysterious circumstances.

Kyle:

You know, there's a lot to that.

Kyle:

So I'm glad they came out with the movie.

Kyle:

Obviously had a huge impact on me, had a huge impact on a lot of people, and I'm so glad that we're going to dive into it today.

Drew:

Yeah, absolutely.

Kyle:

All right, let's go to the questions here.

Kyle:

So, for.

Kyle:

For long time movie wars fans, you remember the scorecard back in the day when it was two movies?

Kyle:

A lot of humor was built in.

Kyle:

Now that we're doing one movie at a time, these interview questions are now written for to kind of help, you know, both instigate good conversation, but also because we're comedians, just.

Kyle:

I just thought it would be hilarious to hear you guys respond to some of these.

Kyle:

So we'll call this the questions which death in the film would you want to experience the least.

Kyle:

Seth, we'll start with you.

Seth:

Oh, the knives.

Seth:

Honestly, that just.

Seth:

Cuz.

Seth:

Cuz the thing with knives is you don't die quickly.

Seth:

It is going, and even if you're stabbed a bunch of times, it's gonna take some time, and that would just be so horrific.

Kyle:

Yeah, yeah.

Seth:

Knives.

Seth:

Death by knives.

Seth:

No, thank you.

Drew:

And I read something after the movie that, like, apparently when he was stabbing him, he was stabbing him in, like, alphabetical order of, like, the organs.

Drew:

Organs.

Kyle:

It's like, jeeze.

Drew:

Like, I mean, I get that he's got a lot of new supernatural abilities, but he probably had to think for a minute, like, okay, next.

Drew:

I have to hold on a second, you know?

Drew:

Yeah.

Seth:

Where's the kidney?

Seth:

Where's the spleen?

Drew:

I skipped h.

Drew:

Sorry, we got to start over.

Kyle:

How could I skip important one?

Seth:

The heart.

Kyle:

How could I skip h, a or d?

Drew:

Yeah, so, yeah, that was.

Drew:

That would be brutal.

Drew:

The car.

Drew:

Yeah, that was my favorite scene.

Drew:

Like, that was my favorite kill to watch.

Seth:

Yeah.

Drew:

But just the fact that it started with him being like a grenade in his balls, that's it.

Drew:

That's a tough start.

Drew:

That's tough.

Drew:

I mean, you're.

Drew:

You're wanting death a lot sooner than you get it.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

And, like, the dude's screaming the whole time, like, he's aware of it.

Kyle:

Like, oh, yeah, there's no coming back.

Kyle:

There's no coming back.

Drew:

Yeah.

Drew:

So, yeah, I feel that one.

Drew:

I would not want to feel that one.

Drew:

I would be.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Seth:

You know, anytime I see in a movie or a video or whatever, anything having to do with the balls, I feel it.

Kyle:

Yes.

Seth:

Like, I literally feel my entire body just go, oh, yeah.

Drew:

But did anyone else when they were watching that scene?

Drew:

Cuz, like, fair.

Drew:

Like, it was just a cool.

Drew:

I mean, it did give me kind of fast and furious vibes.

Kyle:

Like, this is.

Kyle:

I.

Drew:

Like, I expected the fast and furious family to come out like, all right, we got you.

Drew:

Well, no one did, but I.

Drew:

And when we're family, the car ends up in space.

Drew:

When he, like, lit the match and it made the crow on the ground, did anyone else wonder, like, when did you have the time?

Kyle:

Oh, yeah.

Seth:

I mean, that's the complaint about dark knight rises is that he had the time to make a gigantic bat on the bridge out of gasoline.

Drew:

Maybe he had, like, maybe his crow was doing that.

Seth:

Yeah, the crow pisses gasoline.

Drew:

The little girl, he'd sometime talk to her.

Drew:

He was like, hey, this is kind of weird, but we'll set up for a really cool moment after I meth murder some.

Seth:

Hey, you're good at art, right?

Kyle:

They did that one take, too.

Seth:

Oh, really?

Kyle:

Yeah, they found, like, a hyper.

Kyle:

It wasn't gas, but it was like they found something really flammable.

Kyle:

It was a mixture.

Kyle:

It was like a movie, like polyurethane.

Seth:

Oh, yeah.

Kyle:

And they nailed it the first time.

Drew:

I mean, it looks so cool.

Kyle:

Yeah, I I agree on the car one, but for different reasons.

Kyle:

This is gonna be really stupid.

Kyle:

But just the idea of dying with stickiness on my face, like, I don't.

Kyle:

I don't like glue.

Kyle:

I don't like sticky things.

Kyle:

I eat pizza with a fork.

Kyle:

I don't like, like, just stuff that shouldn't be on my body.

Kyle:

So, yes, I know there's a grenade on my balls, but, like, if I do survive this, my eyebrow hairs are coming out.

Seth:

Yeah.

Kyle:

And this is gonna hurt.

Kyle:

This is worse than a band aid.

Kyle:

I just don't want tape on my skin.

Drew:

Absolutely.

Kyle:

So understand.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

The.

Kyle:

The explosions in the river, that's all secondary, you know?

Kyle:

I'm not even thinking about the bad things I'm doing.

Kyle:

I did that he killed me for because I got duct tape on me, and that's gross.

Drew:

Yeah, yeah.

Drew:

That's really all.

Drew:

That's all he would do to you.

Drew:

He wouldn't even kill you.

Drew:

He would just leave all the duct tape on your face and go.

Drew:

And then he'd go, like, make the crow with the gas.

Kyle:

It wouldn't take much.

Kyle:

Like, one strand of tape on the head, and I'm done.

Seth:

Yeah.

Kyle:

I'm just like, that's chinese water torture.

Drew:

What's interesting is all the deaths had some relation to the wrong that the person did to them.

Drew:

So, like, what wrong would you have had to do to Brandon Lee for him to be like, I'm just gonna put a bunch of sticky notes on his head?

Kyle:

Were you a forgetful son of a bitch?

Drew:

Oh, you forgot to warn me.

Drew:

Well, I'll make sure that you never forget anything ever again.

Seth:

A sticky note version of memento.

Kyle:

remind you that lunch was at:

Kyle:

Bitch.

Kyle:

All right, this is awesome.

Kyle:

So this is pre.

Kyle:

It's pre MCU, right?

Kyle:

Comic book.

Kyle:

Comic book craze hadn't caught on just remembering the time.

Kyle:

Anecdotally, Burton's Batman was kind of the best popular representation we had.

Kyle:

There was a Captain America, there was.

Seth:

The Hulk tv show, the Superman movies.

Seth:

But there wasn't any type of craze like there is now.

Seth:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

Was this before or after Burton's Batman?

Seth:

After.

Seth:

After that was 89.

Kyle:

Two had come out, and it was the year before forever.

Kyle:

Val Kilmer.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

And so my question to you is, given the fact that it wasn't yet as popular as it is today, which obviously, it's been keeping theaters open for a while, what do you think of this early iteration?

Kyle:

Because the way that the director describes this is, it's an anti comic book.

Kyle:

Comic book movie.

Seth:

Yeah.

Seth:

See, so the thing that I found very interesting visually, and I've noticed this kind of trend throughout older comic book movies in general.

Seth:

I loved their use of miniatures to create the city.

Seth:

The city didn't feel like a single other city that I've ever seen in the world.

Seth:

It literally felt like its own character, and I don't ever see that anymore.

Seth:

I think Burton did a really good job in Batman 89 doing that same thing.

Seth:

But this, this took it to a whole other level, where the.

Seth:

They physically created this whole new world that no one had ever experienced.

Seth:

So it felt like the buildings even just became a character, and.

Seth:

And the.

Seth:

The surroundings was its own character.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Seth:

I just feel like you don't see anymore.

Drew:

Yeah, I am.

Drew:

I absolutely loved the look of it.

Drew:

It really felt like you were watching a comic book just like with the Tim Burton Batman's, where it had that same kind of larger than life appeal, kind of the dark, gritty ness of it, which I absolutely loved.

Drew:

It's interesting.

Drew:

I think that kind of movie, like, nowadays, with a lot.

Drew:

A lot of the superheroes, movies and tv shows are more.

Drew:

Today are more kind of like, antiheroes or, like.

Drew:

Like there's a big push on, like, the plot where the superheroes are actually the bad guys.

Drew:

And so they're.

Drew:

Yeah, so it's a lot darker.

Drew:

And so I think nowadays, with, like, movies like the Batman and stuff like that, as, like, the current, like, newer superhero movies nowadays, this movie would.

Drew:

Would.

Drew:

People would be cool with it.

Drew:

They would be with the dark.

Drew:

But I feel like when you think about, like, early MCU phases, like when Iron man one came out, when, like, Captain America, that the World War two one.

Drew:

Yes, that one comes out, we might have not been ready for, or we might have not been into this dark, gritty style.

Drew:

Because there was a while with superhero movies where we liked the brightness, we liked the colorfulness, we liked the hopefulness.

Drew:

The idea of your hero is just going around killing a bunch of people in the plot is he's just getting revenge.

Drew:

You know that.

Drew:

So that would do good now, but I would almost say like, 15 years ago, people would have been like, I didn't think it was that great of a movie or whatever.

Drew:

Like.

Drew:

And so that was kind of interesting to me, but I don't know.

Drew:

It's fun since, you know, you're not gonna go out and do all those murders.

Drew:

I feel totally okay being like, no good for him.

Kyle:

Yeah, good.

Kyle:

Justified.

Drew:

Never once when I watched any of those bad guys get murdered did I wonder.

Drew:

I wonder if they have, like, a family or, like, a concerned mom.

Kyle:

I hope T Bird didn't have custody of his daughter this weekend.

Drew:

I.

Drew:

Yeah.

Drew:

Like, we allow ourselves uncle.

Seth:

Yeah.

Kyle:

He's the really weird uncle.

Seth:

Yeah.

Seth:

I will say, comparing.

Seth:

Comparing the crow to especially, like, the Nolan Batman movies, because especially since Dark Knight and Iron man came out in the same year.

Seth:

And to your point, even the Dark Knight, as dark as it was, it was still a very brightly colored film.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Seth:

Like, it didn't hit the dark points that, like, the.

Seth:

The Pattinson Batman did or even the crow did.

Seth:

Like, I very much appreciated how deeply they leaned into the noir aspect of the way that they shot everything.

Drew:

I kind of.

Drew:

I kind of like that I have to be in certain moods with.

Drew:

Depending on.

Drew:

But, like, I mean, life isn't just all bright and sunshine.

Seth:

Yeah.

Drew:

Sometimes you want to watch a movie in a gritty setting with, like, you know, all the.

Drew:

What we saw in the crow.

Seth:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Seth:

And not gruesome deaths and.

Seth:

And someone getting, like, eight.

Seth:

Eight things of heroin jabbed in them.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Seth:

Yeah.

Drew:

It's a great.

Drew:

Honestly, I loved the.

Drew:

The emo vibes they had.

Drew:

I felt like this whole movie was gonna lead up into, like, the newest.

Drew:

My chemical romance.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

I was waiting for it to turn to a music video.

Drew:

My biggest regret was that he didn't do more with the electric guitar.

Drew:

That was.

Drew:

I was.

Drew:

Yeah, that was.

Seth:

I was genuinely expecting him to stab that dude in the face when he came in with the electric.

Drew:

Yeah, you could stab someone with electric guitar.

Drew:

You could take the guitar strings off and strangle someone with it.

Drew:

It's a.

Drew:

You could play something so loud on an awesome amp, like, next to the person and bust their head off.

Drew:

It's a superhero movie.

Drew:

He could get supernatural sound wave powers.

Drew:

And I'm just saying.

Seth:

Yeah, I'm thinking of ways of how to kill people with guitars.

Drew:

Just with a guitar.

Drew:

Yeah.

Kyle:

I'm gonna get you with this.

Seth:

Get fiddle.

Kyle:

Y'all gotta check out Drew's bit about his key tar days.

Kyle:

Yeah, that's a great bit.

Drew:

I love.

Drew:

Yeah, that's a.

Drew:

This is an underrated instrument.

Drew:

Yeah.

Drew:

Not enough people have been killed by keytars or electric guitars.

Drew:

And I really thought the crow was gonna help me out on this.

Drew:

And, you know, we'll keep looking.

Drew:

We'll keep looking for movies where people die via electric guitars.

Seth:

I will say the first time I saw a WWE event in person, Hardy smash an acoustic guitar over the back of someone of the wrestlers.

Kyle:

Oh, wow.

Seth:

That's the closest I've gotten to seeing someone genuinely killed by a guitar.

Drew:

I one of the best when I was in a band, and we were.

Drew:

We would travel around, play at a bunch of different church camps.

Drew:

Cause that's how punk rock we were.

Drew:

There we go.

Drew:

And there was one camp, one time where, like, the speaker was like, drew, I need.

Drew:

We're gonna buy you guitar from Walmart.

Drew:

And part of the skit is we want you to break it on stage.

Kyle:

It was leaving.

Drew:

And when I say that was the best moment of my life, I'm not exaggerating.

Kyle:

Oh, my God.

Seth:

I don't blame you.

Seth:

That sounds exhilarating.

Drew:

So cool.

Drew:

It was like, this is this.

Drew:

I didn't know it, but that's what I was made for.

Drew:

Which is really weird, though, when you go home and, like, your parents are like, how was church camp?

Drew:

And you're like, I got to break.

Kyle:

A guitar for Jesus.

Drew:

They're like, shit, we're moving.

Kyle:

He broke the table.

Kyle:

I broke the guitar.

Kyle:

What do you want from me?

Kyle:

This is my defiant phase.

Kyle:

Fantastic answers.

Kyle:

All right, last interview question here.

Kyle:

Why are leathers such an essential, instinctual vigilante clothing choice?

Kyle:

Because I'm covering Mad Max with comedian Matthew Blevins.

Kyle:

A lot of leathers over there too.

Kyle:

What's with leathers?

Seth:

I mean, it was the nineties.

Seth:

Like, every leather was in.

Seth:

I mean, you watch that episode of Friends and Ross is like, I got leather pants.

Seth:

Like, I don't know why, because, I mean, the Matrix did it.

Seth:

Blade did it, underworld did it, resident evil did it.

Seth:

Like, it seemed like leather was just the choice for the nineties.

Seth:

And maybe it was, like, the rave scene that really was, like, influencing all of that because I know.

Seth:

Especially, like, Germany.

Seth:

Like, that was the thing.

Seth:

When you go to a rave, everybody's wearing nothing but leather.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Seth:

Which I don't understand because I feel like you would be sweaty as hell doing that.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Sticky.

Drew:

I think it's pretty obvious, honestly.

Drew:

You have to look cool when you're doing all this vigilante stuff.

Seth:

Oh, yeah.

Drew:

Like, it does not have the same effect when the one survivor goes back and retells about this crazy, gruesome car killing scene he saw the crow doing.

Drew:

He's like.

Drew:

And then he got out of the car, and I noticed he had a pink bathrobe.

Seth:

Like, red cowboy boots.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

People were like, what?

Drew:

No, but, like, the fact that you're doing it in all this, like, really shiny, cool, slick leather, people are like, if.

Drew:

If the car didn't kill me, the sword didn't kill me, then the census style would.

Kyle:

Yeah, yeah.

Drew:

It's.

Drew:

If they're not wearing cool clothes, then it's not a cool story to tell.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Cotton dockers just aren't, you know, murderous enough.

Drew:

I gotta have doc Martens.

Drew:

I don't want my murderer to kill me in shorts and, like, sandals.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

Like, I need.

Seth:

That's so much more embarrassing.

Kyle:

Like, imagine being:

Kyle:

Be like, is that a Van Heusen?

Drew:

Yeah, it's just.

Drew:

It's a more humane way of doing things for the vigilante.

Drew:

It is.

Drew:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Like, at least I know what this person's trying to do.

Kyle:

Like, they're not trying to sell me, like, a pyramid scheme for energy drinks in the Kroger aisle.

Kyle:

Like, they're gonna kill me.

Seth:

Like, granted they open that coat, they might be trying to sell you a watch.

Seth:

You just never know.

Kyle:

True.

Kyle:

All right, before we get to the Randos, I just want to say, as a reminder, the best way to help movie wars is to share with a friend.

Kyle:

It's not hard.

Kyle:

It's not.

Kyle:

It may seem simple, but it's literally the best way to grow.

Kyle:

You post it every single.

Kyle:

You know, Spotify, Apple, they all have that share button.

Kyle:

You can put it on your Instagram Stories.

Kyle:

You can text it to your grandma.

Kyle:

We are great with the grandmas.

Kyle:

If your grandma is struggling.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

If she's struggling with age, show her the crow episode, and she will love you forever, 100%.

Drew:

It's actually not enough people know this fact, but every time you share this video, a kitten somewhere doesn't get drowned.

Seth:

It's true.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Seth:

Very true.

Kyle:

And a grandma goes on a killing spree.

Drew:

Yeah.

Drew:

Every time we show it.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

Okay.

Drew:

Yeah.

Drew:

Like, yeah, absolutely.

Drew:

That's what we really want to see.

Kyle:

I don't want to lose money on this.

Kyle:

And now for a fan favorite.

Kyle:

Our friends love the randos.

Kyle:

I love that we call them randos because, you know, it's random, but we call them randos.

Drew:

Wow.

Kyle:

Kind of sounds like Rambo.

Seth:

Oh.

Kyle:

Although, on social media, when I first started our TikTok account, I would say randos during, and it pissed people off.

Kyle:

I got death threats.

Kyle:

Like, why are you saying randos?

Kyle:

You should die.

Drew:

That seems like such an escalation.

Drew:

It is.

Seth:

I wish you were a cat.

Seth:

So it didn't save this and you would drown.

Kyle:

I know it is.

Kyle:

And you and I were talking about this on the way here.

Kyle:

It was like social media.

Kyle:

Like, if you've never done it.

Kyle:

And I hadn't really.

Kyle:

And it's such a horrible baptism by fire.

Kyle:

It's like, I'm gonna tell the world about my favorite movie fact.

Kyle:

And then they're like, die.

Drew:

I know.

Kyle:

Like, I hope you get cancer.

Kyle:

I literally had people say, I wish I had cancer for saying something.

Kyle:

I hope you get cancer.

Seth:

The Internet's a wild place.

Drew:

I'll mispronounce a name.

Drew:

And then the next time I was like, what's fucking wrong with you?

Drew:

Do you not have a soul?

Drew:

Like, how dare you?

Kyle:

If I knew where you lived, I would dox you for that, you asshole.

Seth:

I got banned from the Snyder cut subreddit for saying something positive about Zack Snyder.

Seth:

I was like, Zack Snyder is cool.

Seth:

They're like, banned.

Kyle:

And then a dead squirrel head showed up in your mailbox the next day.

Seth:

One paw.

Drew:

Wouldn't it be interesting if one of those crazy TikTok trolls found us, killed us for calling them randos?

Drew:

And then we came back to life, and we had to somehow avenge ourselves in some.

Drew:

Like, just by saying Rando to them?

Drew:

Yeah, like, show up to their bed at night just whispering Rando until their.

Kyle:

Head tape their eyelid shot and go, Rando.

Seth:

Okay, but then here's a question.

Seth:

What would be your spirit guide animal?

Seth:

What would be your crow if you came back to life?

Kyle:

It would have to be very rando.

Seth:

Yeah.

Kyle:

A sloth.

Kyle:

A three toed sloth.

Kyle:

Feels fitting.

Seth:

What about you?

Drew:

I think mine would be a dodge charger.

Kyle:

Living a quarter mile at a time.

Kyle:

You're gonna still say that even after.

Drew:

Your dad just drive over to people who get angry at the me mispronouncing celebrity names.

Drew:

I get it.

Drew:

It's sat them.

Drew:

I know now, right?

Kyle:

Die.

Seth:

I feel like mine would be a penguin.

Drew:

That would be fun.

Drew:

I mean, until the death part.

Seth:

Well, that's the thing, is, it's.

Seth:

It's.

Seth:

It's cute and cuddly, and then it cuts ya.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Little arms, but holding a giant machine gun.

Seth:

Exactly.

Kyle:

I like that visual.

Seth:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Rando.

Drew:

My favorite thing to do with trolls is they'll pop in a comment, like, tell me you don't know anything about gun control.

Drew:

And then I just respond, I don't know anything about literally.

Drew:

And then they follow me.

Drew:

And I win a fan.

Drew:

Like, I feel like I win the.

Drew:

I win the argument.

Kyle:

Yeah, see, I.

Kyle:

You told me that, and I actually embraced that, and I do that now.

Kyle:

I used to get super adversarial.

Kyle:

Like, I had a guy once.

Kyle:

This is way off topic, but we did a nightmare on Elm street one.

Kyle:

And he talks about in the documentary, there's this, like, five hour documentary.

Kyle:

It's incredible about all the nightmare on the elm streets.

Kyle:

And England talks about the reason that.

Kyle:

That Freddy Krueger leans like that, because he just felt like the claw was kind of heavy.

Seth:

Yeah.

Kyle:

You know, and so he.

Kyle:

And I kind of exaggerated.

Kyle:

I was like, it was so heavy.

Kyle:

But I posted that, and people were like, that's not why.

Kyle:

And then I found the clip.

Kyle:

I literally went out and found the clip and posted it, and people still were like, no, you don't know anything about movies, bitch.

Drew:

Yeah, I don't even.

Drew:

I don't remember.

Drew:

We had something like that with Fast and Furious, where I reiterated a fact I had learned online from an interview from the director.

Drew:

And everyone's like, that's so crap.

Drew:

That's not true.

Drew:

You're the worst person.

Drew:

I'm like, I don't know.

Drew:

I mean, unless the Internet is lying.

Drew:

Yeah, I'm fair, but, like, I'm.

Drew:

I didn't invente.

Seth:

Yeah, unless the director was lying, which.

Kyle:

Is possible, but why are you mad at me about it?

Drew:

Take it up with them, you know?

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Randos, I feel like most people know, but I think we'd be remiss if we didn't open up with kind of how the Brandon Lee incident happened.

Kyle:

You know, the scene that had happened during is, you know, Golgoth and testament Blues is playing.

Kyle:

He goes into funboy's apartment during the morphine scene.

Kyle:

It was during that scene.

Kyle:

That's when it happened.

Kyle:

And what happened was that they.

Kyle:

They basically, it was a shell that.

Kyle:

From a.

Kyle:

From a blank, something like that.

Kyle:

And I guess there was still gunpowder.

Kyle:

There's a lot of different versions.

Kyle:

But basically my understanding was it was the shell of a blank.

Kyle:

There was still powder in there.

Kyle:

They didn't rig it right.

Kyle:

They didn't take care of the weapon.

Kyle:

It got lodged in his abdomen, and they tried to rush in the hospital, and he bled to death.

Kyle:

One of the most interesting side facts of the incident is that Michael Massey, who was holding the weapon, who played funboy, didn't act for years, and he came back.

Kyle:

He did die in:

Kyle:

He did come back and did a lot of.

Kyle:

He did a few movies, did television again, but for years after, he couldn't have.

Kyle:

He just couldn't.

Drew:

He felt even imagine, like, I don't blame survivor guilt.

Kyle:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kyle:

And.

Kyle:

And even though, you know, like, you aren't.

Kyle:

You're the actor.

Kyle:

You weren't responsible for that weapon.

Kyle:

You weren't loaded.

Kyle:

But had being.

Kyle:

Holding it and killing the son of a living legend.

Seth:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Knowing that, like, the feeling on set was, is that Brandon Lee's gonna be a big deal after this movie.

Drew:

Yeah.

Kyle:

The Wachowskis were.

Kyle:

Before the crow was being filmed, the Wachowskis were considering him for the Matrix.

Kyle:

Eventually, Will Smith became the go to guy before Keanu.

Kyle:

But in the very, very early, like, you wouldn't probably recognize the film.

Kyle:

Brandon Lee was their first choice for Neo.

Kyle:

So there was.

Kyle:

Can you imagine having the crow and then him being in the Matrix?

Drew:

He would have been, like, a superstar.

Seth:

Oh, absolutely.

Seth:

I literally, when the movie started and I saw him come out of the grave, I literally had the thought.

Seth:

He looks like Keanu Reeves and Heath Ledger had.

Kyle:

And he's better at martial arts, and he's incredible shape, and he's good looking and he can act and he's funny.

Kyle:

He had everything.

Kyle:

And that's.

Kyle:

That's what a good action star does.

Kyle:

And when an action star kind of leans.

Kyle:

Drama, he.

Kyle:

He had all the makings.

Kyle:

Yeah, yeah.

Kyle:

Great delivery.

Kyle:

I had somebody say, no, he was mediocre.

Kyle:

I was like, get that.

Kyle:

Get out of town.

Kyle:

Someone's just saying that to piss you off.

Drew:

Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was me.

Drew:

That was my burger account.

Kyle:

Damn you.

Kyle:

I don't need cancer.

Kyle:

Fuck your quarter mile podcast.

Kyle:

No.

Kyle:

Vin Diesel.

Seth:

I hope Vin Diesel comes and runs you over in car, man.

Drew:

Me too, man.

Drew:

That would be great.

Drew:

Can you imagine?

Drew:

They hate your podcast so much that they're like, this is tarnishing our legs.

Kyle:

Side note, I just realized we have the perfect assembly here.

Kyle:

This is fantastic.

Kyle:

You guys are amazing.

Kyle:

I'm loving.

Kyle:

I'm loving having.

Kyle:

I had a feeling getting a bunch of my comedian buddies who also love movies.

Kyle:

Like, I don't think there was a losing situation there.

Drew:

It would either be, like, amazing, or we would go 4 hours and never talk about the movie.

Seth:

What movie again?

Kyle:

The Raven.

Drew:

Edgar Allen pork.

Drew:

Oh, that was a good one.

Kyle:

My favorite bird movie.

Kyle:

Except for the birds.

Kyle:

That movie sucked.

Seth:

Fuck that movie.

Seth:

Fuck you, Hitchcock.

Kyle:

Seriously, he's overrated.

Seth:

Your name has cock in it and hitchensitive.

Kyle:

This was my favorite thing.

Kyle:

I got a few more randoms, but this was my favorite one.

Kyle:

Brandon controlled the wardrobe, everything about it, because, you know, first of all, he knew he had to move in it.

Kyle:

He knew he would be doing a lot of the stunts, the martial arts.

Kyle:

He want to be able to move in it.

Kyle:

And the whole.

Kyle:

The whole reason that it was worn out over time is, like, he knew they had, like, 20 versions of every piece.

Kyle:

So the trench coat, for example, when he stole Tintin's trench coat, they were like, he needs a cape.

Kyle:

Yes, he needs a version of a cape.

Kyle:

And so that's why.

Kyle:

And so they had, like, 20 trench coats, and so basically, anytime.

Kyle:

And also, he did his own makeup.

Drew:

I'm so glad they didn't give him a cape.

Kyle:

I know.

Kyle:

That is horrible.

Kyle:

With a raven on the back.

Drew:

Yeah.

Kyle:

This.

Drew:

Meanwhile, the crows.

Drew:

Like, it's a freaking raven.

Kyle:

What if we get to the:

Kyle:

They did it.

Kyle:

They gave a.

Kyle:

From the cape with the raven emblem on the back.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

I'm glad Bill Skarsgrd thought that was a good idea.

Kyle:

He's been making a lot of headway lately.

Seth:

Is he the one who played?

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Shit.

Kyle:

Oh, and see, that was, like, my only.

Kyle:

That was my only.

Kyle:

Like, I like him.

Seth:

Yeah.

Kyle:

And I like his whole family.

Seth:

Like, I, like all great.

Seth:

And he was so good as Pennywise, and.

Kyle:

Yeah, he was.

Kyle:

And I kind of feel bad for him because I don't know that he knew what he was stepping in, like, by taking it, so.

Kyle:

But anyway, Brandon also did his own makeup, so they kept trying to get makeup people to do it.

Kyle:

He would tell them no, he was never happy.

Kyle:

And also, him and Alex went through, like, 30 different paintings.

Kyle:

And, like, sometimes it was like, does this look too much like kiss?

Kyle:

You know?

Kyle:

So they had to really.

Kyle:

And you.

Kyle:

When we get into the other ones, you'll see, like, it can get bad.

Kyle:

Like, and they can do a bad job.

Kyle:

It's funny, once the makeup people took over, it got real bad.

Kyle:

But Brandon Lee, it's, like, his third major film, and he's, like, nailing it, you know?

Drew:

That's so interesting that he had all those skill sets.

Drew:

I mean, it makes sense to me that he was in charge of the wardrobe because he had to think, like, how can you do the martial arts with them?

Drew:

It was cool that the director's like, let's go with him, but, like, what a risk on a newer actor.

Drew:

Be like, yeah, let's have them choose what makeup everyone's wearing.

Drew:

Yeah, that seems like a good idea.

Seth:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

And you're totally right.

Kyle:

It, like, nine times out of a ten, like, an up and coming actor it would be.

Kyle:

But what I understand is that Brandon Lee won everybody over.

Seth:

Oh, yeah.

Kyle:

Ernie Hudson.

Kyle:

You'll have to go find this interview he did with Tony Horton, of all people, the P 90 X guy.

Kyle:

I don't know why.

Drew:

Of course.

Drew:

That makes sense.

Kyle:

Like, when I saw that Ernie Hudson came out and said that Brandon Lee is the only crow, I was like, he was talking to Tony Horton about it.

Kyle:

Like, what did they just do curls?

Kyle:

Like, why are we.

Drew:

They were at a gym and they were like, hey, man, you got a quick.

Kyle:

Brandon Lee is the only curl.

Kyle:

Two more sets.

Drew:

Can I get you saying that in an interview?

Kyle:

20 more burpees.

Seth:

He's only crow.

Kyle:

Yeah, but I'm like, why?

Kyle:

But he talks about it.

Kyle:

But then, yeah, it's.

Kyle:

What was I talking about?

Kyle:

What were.

Drew:

I know.

Drew:

I suddenly have an urge to go work out now.

Kyle:

Oh, I get it now.

Seth:

I got dumbbells right over there.

Kyle:

I love it.

Kyle:

I remember now.

Kyle:

Brandon Lee went to dinner with Ernie Hudson and, like.

Kyle:

Like, Ernie Hudson's brother in law died, and actually, he is.

Kyle:

His brother in law died a couple days before Brandon died, and he comforted Ernie and, like, he was so friendly and even though he was the star, like, he was just so unassuming.

Kyle:

And everyone talks about how collaborative the production crew said he was just kind and friendly and everyone loved him.

Kyle:

So, like, it was probably.

Kyle:

He probably just, like, they let him do what everyone's like, oh, it's branded.

Kyle:

He's awesome.

Kyle:

We love him.

Kyle:

So it's.

Kyle:

That is cool to hear, though.

Kyle:

Yeah, yeah.

Kyle:

And I think, you know, it's funny because I love movies, but I hate celebrities.

Seth:

Yeah.

Kyle:

So it's just weird.

Kyle:

Like, anytime I hear Leo talk about climate change, I'm like, I'm sure that's a thing, but now that you're talking about it, I don't care.

Seth:

Fuck the climate.

Kyle:

Fuck you, Leo.

Drew:

I'm fascinated by celebrities.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

It is so much.

Drew:

It only makes me, like, watching them act.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

And when people find out I do a movie podcast, like, what do you think about this relationship in Hollywood?

Kyle:

I'm like, I don't care.

Seth:

That's not what we talk about.

Kyle:

I talk about the movies.

Kyle:

Unless it's Coppola.

Kyle:

I love everything about his life.

Kyle:

Like, you know, but outside of Coppola, not exactly a people magazine type of conversation.

Kyle:

No, this is really cool.

Kyle:

And you might find this interesting with your filmmaking background.

Kyle:

There was a.

Kyle:

There were rules about what colors were allowed.

Kyle:

So if you look at the monochrome aspect of it, they actually had written rules.

Kyle:

We don't have greens.

Kyle:

We don't have this.

Kyle:

We want this film to be consistently drab.

Kyle:

We want it to have this look.

Kyle:

And so there were.

Kyle:

Everyone knew there was a list.

Kyle:

And we just.

Kyle:

We cannot have these colors like that, which.

Seth:

Okay, so that is actually really interesting, because if you going even back to the whole black leather aspect of this movie, if you watch any other movie where everyone's decked out in black leather, it's all green covered in the color grade.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Seth:

And that was just.

Seth:

That was a thing for the dark action movies of the nineties through the early two thousands, for whatever reason, everyone was just like, let's shit green on the screen.

Kyle:

Yep.

Seth:

And make it all this weird green hue.

Seth:

I know.

Seth:

Like, I feel like the matrix kind of, like, made it peak.

Seth:

Like, that was the best version of what that could be.

Seth:

And everyone else was just like, oh, well, that was successful.

Seth:

So let's do that.

Seth:

But for.

Seth:

Yeah, that's very.

Seth:

I love.

Seth:

I absolutely love when directors put that kind of thought into their costuming, into the set design.

Seth:

Literally down to, we cannot have this color.

Seth:

Like, one of the reason Christopher Nolan's movies looked so good in the color grade is because he's partially colorblind.

Kyle:

Oh, really?

Seth:

He's partially colorblind.

Seth:

And so because of that, he's very particular with the color palettes that he chooses for all of his.

Kyle:

That's incredible.

Seth:

Yeah.

Drew:

Yeah.

Seth:

So knowing.

Seth:

Knowing, that's.

Seth:

That's really impressive, actually.

Seth:

I like that a lot.

Drew:

I feel like there's another thing.

Drew:

Like, we were talking about, like, the importance of the soundtrack of a movie is, like, something like that.

Drew:

It takes something from good and makes it to great.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

It's like, you don't.

Drew:

Like, I didn't notice that, except I did notice that.

Drew:

Like, I loved the look of the entire movie, and I didn't.

Drew:

I didn't think to myself, oh, they must only have a few colors that they're using the entire.

Drew:

But I did think, wow, this looks really good.

Seth:

Yeah.

Seth:

And it even goes back to the way that they built those miniatures.

Seth:

It made everything feel like this otherworldly kind of situation.

Seth:

And like, you said, you wouldn't.

Seth:

You wouldn't notice until someone says, there's no green in the movie.

Seth:

But it never feels weird.

Seth:

You're never.

Seth:

Like, it's weird that there's not this kind of color.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Seth:

Like, it all feels natural to the character they created in the city.

Drew:

It's so interesting to how colors influence us.

Drew:

Like, like, I remember when I used to be a youth pastor, if we did, like, retreats, you know, during the mornings when people came in, we'd have, like, all the tables would be all brightly colored, but then when they came back for the evenings, we'd change it to, like, blues and dark colors to chill them out.

Drew:

Yeah, yeah, like that.

Drew:

And, like, it was like, little subtle things that no one.

Drew:

No one noticed, but I swear it worked.

Seth:

Yeah.

Seth:

I mean, color theory is a thing.

Kyle:

It really is.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

And it's really the little details.

Kyle:

And this is why I don't love covering new movies, because there's no interesting stories.

Kyle:

You know, this did not have a giant budget.

Kyle:

They were cutting things out because, you know, was the budget.

Seth:

Do you know?

Kyle:

I can't remember the budget.

Kyle:

I can bucks $10, but you can see a lot of the green screen in it.

Kyle:

Like when skunk falls out of the window, when Brandon Lee's character falls out of the window, like, there's a lot of screening going on.

Kyle:

Oh, yeah.

Kyle:

So, you know, and those were in the miniatures.

Kyle:

The car chases were all miniatures.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

So there were things they were doing, but they.

Kyle:

There was such cohesion with the decision making, with the color, the soundtrack.

Kyle:

They're doing these little things that elevated this movie big time.

Drew:

Yeah.

Drew:

So it just felt like, and, I mean, you saw it even among the tragedy, but the movie was fun because you could tell how into the movie everybody making the movie was.

Drew:

So that even after such a tragedy that, I mean, you know, movies are arthem, and so that's why they were like, Brandon Lee was.

Drew:

This was an act of art.

Drew:

We want to share it, and I don't know.

Drew:

That's cool.

Drew:

It was.

Drew:

It's cool.

Seth:

Estimated budget was 23 million.

Kyle:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Seth:

Which even.

Seth:

Even by those standards, was not a lot of money.

Kyle:

Well, in CGI, I came.

Kyle:

What was it on t 2 CGI, it cost.

Kyle:

It was like 1.2 million /second it's like CGI was not a thing.

Kyle:

And it wasn't available at $23 million if it was basically available to James Cameron.

Seth:

Yeah.

Kyle:

And that was it.

Seth:

And just to close holes in hands and bodies.

Kyle:

Yeah, yeah.

Seth:

It was.

Seth:

You had to use it.

Seth:

And honestly, I didn't have any complaints about the couple of times that they used CG because they used it so sparingly for things that they had to use.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

And even though that might be the part that didn't hold up as well, I do remember as a kid thinking that was awesome.

Drew:

Oh, yeah, right.

Kyle:

That was awesome.

Kyle:

Especially.

Kyle:

He's looking through the hole.

Seth:

But I mean, even today, like, I literally just watched it 6 hours ago.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Seth:

And even then I did.

Seth:

The only thing that stood out to me was the fact that you could tell that the hand.

Seth:

That.

Seth:

That the hole was closing up wasn't his arm.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Seth:

But it's just because of the angle that it was at.

Seth:

But if I had seen that on VHS or if I had seen that in the theater back in the day, you never would have known.

Kyle:

And I think he.

Kyle:

They did that after he died.

Kyle:

Yeah, they had.

Kyle:

They had to make that.

Kyle:

That was a post production move.

Seth:

Yeah, that makes sense.

Kyle:

Last rando.

Kyle:

This is a small thing, but it's crazy.

Kyle:

Lawrence Mason, who played Tintin, who, by the way, amazing villain.

Seth:

Yeah.

Kyle:

So many great villains.

Kyle:

It's one of my favorite things about it.

Kyle:

He had a water phobia in real life, the actor.

Kyle:

And it just so happens that:

Kyle:

One of the early things that happens in that fight is that.

Kyle:

That draven shoves his head under that puddle.

Drew:

Yeah.

Kyle:

They had a really hard time filming that.

Kyle:

He had to, like, overcome his fear.

Kyle:

And so the whole time, they're like, they kept having to redo it, cuz he kept.

Kyle:

He has a water phobia, and, like, he's supposed to be drowning under there.

Seth:

Yeah.

Kyle:

And so I just thought that was crazy that you got a water phobia.

Kyle:

Do it anyway.

Drew:

But you almost wonder if the director is like.

Drew:

I mean, that would make a really good shot.

Drew:

If he looks like he doesn't enjoy it, like, if he's really terrified as he's being drowned, that would look great.

Drew:

Like, I mean, it's sick, but, like, they.

Drew:

Movie directors been known to do that.

Seth:

Kubrick did that all the time.

Kyle:

Kubrick Kubrick made was.

Kyle:

She just died recently.

Kyle:

Wendy from the shining.

Kyle:

How could I forget?

Seth:

Oh, yeah.

Kyle:

Shelley Duvall.

Seth:

That's it.

Kyle:

I mean, she literally gave her mental illness.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

I mean, it was like.

Seth:

I mean, he was pretty much responsible for Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman breaking up.

Kyle:

Yep.

Seth:

Because what he did for during eyes wide shut was he would send them to therapy, but he would sit in on the therapy sessions and use what he learned during those therapy sessions with him on set.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

That's not a HIPAA violation.

Drew:

I feel like that's breaking some kind of law.

Drew:

Like, I feel like there's rules against that.

Seth:

Well, see, that.

Seth:

That all depends if they're licensed or not.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

Did he really send them to therapy?

Drew:

Did he send them to, like, their friend Chad?

Seth:

Yeah, he was therapy class.

Seth:

And in college, like, I know psychology.

Kyle:

Yeah, I watched that Freud documentary.

Kyle:

It was pretty good.

Kyle:

You know, just penis envy.

Kyle:

It's all.

Kyle:

It really is.

Kyle:

It's just oedipus stuff.

Kyle:

It's all.

Kyle:

Really.

Kyle:

As long as we talk about oedipus, we're good.

Kyle:

The war card.

Kyle:

Here we go, baby.

Kyle:

And just as a reminder, you've been doing it on Mad Max, but this is the first time we've done it with three participants here, just to remind the crew of kind of the changes we made.

Kyle:

Since we're doing one movie at a time, it's still seven categories.

Kyle:

And basically we have an affirmative, which is our yes.

Seth:

We.

Kyle:

You know, we dig it and then we have the no.

Kyle:

And then both categories are named after something from the movie.

Kyle:

So our positive yes, I dug that.

Kyle:

Is the crow flies.

Kyle:

Like, as an.

Kyle:

As the crow flies.

Kyle:

And if you didn't dig it, eat crow.

Drew:

Okay.

Drew:

I love it.

Seth:

Love it.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

So.

Kyle:

And we got seven categories.

Kyle:

And also our lovely crew, we had a bunch of people fill out the crowd scorecard, so I'll be mentioning some comments along the way.

Drew:

Yeah, thank you for that.

Drew:

Thanks for filling them out.

Kyle:

Oh, yeah.

Kyle:

It took some time, and some people were very thoughtful with their comments, so very, very thankful.

Kyle:

Shall we?

Drew:

War?

Seth:

Let's do it.

Kyle:

Let's.

Kyle:

Let's.

Kyle:

Yeah, let's throw it.

Kyle:

Let's fly.

Kyle:

Let's jump from rooftop to rooftop to the sound.

Kyle:

Oh, my God.

Kyle:

I.

Kyle:

I was trying to say something, and you.

Kyle:

It was amazing.

Kyle:

I was like, I can't talk after that.

Kyle:

Imagine if this movie was called the Owl.

Kyle:

This would be a much different movie.

Drew:

Who thinks that?

Kyle:

Okay, maybe that would have been a great interview question.

Kyle:

What's the worst bird to, like, lead a soul vigilante out of the grave?

Drew:

Oh, a condor.

Seth:

That's exactly what I was thinking.

Drew:

Where is he going?

Drew:

I don't know.

Drew:

Let's follow the giant birdhouse.

Kyle:

What was Darwin?

Seth:

It's the last one.

Seth:

You got the dodo bird.

Kyle:

Literally the whole case for evolution.

Kyle:

Can't just walks into trees and stuff like, yeah, we'll get.

Kyle:

We'll get to the vengeance.

Drew:

It was like a woodpecker.

Drew:

It'd be so easy to kill.

Seth:

He tries to kill a condor at the end of the movie, and a bunch of environmentalist activists show up and fuck them up.

Kyle:

You can't do that.

Kyle:

They're in danger.

Drew:

Or.

Drew:

Or nowadays it's like an eagle and it's like America propaganda.

Seth:

Uncle Sam just comes down and teabags him.

Kyle:

I love it.

Seth:

I want you to stop killing birds.

Drew:

That's the parody movie of the crows.

Drew:

Make it the eagle.

Drew:

And it's just like he's dressed up as Uncle Sam.

Drew:

It's all.

Drew:

Only colors are red, white and blue.

Kyle:

Yeah, kid rock's playing in the background.

Kyle:

He just kicks the boombox.

Drew:

I think Kid Rock is Brandon Lee in that.

Kyle:

I think he's the lead.

Kyle:

Six pack of Coors light.

Kyle:

Just gonna know.

Seth:

Bud light back.

Seth:

Bud lights back.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Oh, yeah, it's true.

Seth:

Yeah.

Seth:

Bud lights back.

Seth:

He's totally fine with Bud light now.

Kyle:

Shane Gillis killing lobbyists.

Seth:

Yeah.

Drew:

Terrible.

Drew:

But it would be a funny movie.

Kyle:

You funded universal healthcare.

Kyle:

Amazing.

Kyle:

We just made it political zone.

Kyle:

Let's do it.

Kyle:

Yeah, do it.

Kyle:

The eagle.

Kyle:

All right.

Kyle:

First category, top bill cast.

Kyle:

In this case, it's just Brandon Lee.

Kyle:

He's got the only name on the.

Kyle:

On the poster there, so.

Seth:

Yeah, I mean, crow.

Seth:

Fly.

Drew:

Yeah, fly.

Drew:

That crow, man.

Drew:

He did great.

Drew:

He was.

Drew:

I mean, he.

Drew:

It felt like he carried the movie.

Drew:

I mean, I feel.

Drew:

I feel mean to the.

Drew:

I know the next one.

Drew:

The rest is pouring, guys, but I mean.

Seth:

Yeah, yeah, no, fantastic.

Kyle:

Yeah, fantastic.

Kyle:

I agree.

Kyle:

And there's just, you know, to me, it's just the trajectory he had after that, like, what we would have seen him do.

Kyle:

It's always hard to figure he could have been neo.

Kyle:

Could have been all these.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

So, absolutely.

Kyle:

The crow flies here as well.

Kyle:

Supporting cast.

Kyle:

Now I want to name off the supporting cast because there's some folks in there that they kind of just tucked in there that are pretty amazing.

Kyle:

Tony Todd, the candy man.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Rochelle Davis played Sarah.

Kyle:

Ernie Hudson, who I love, obviously.

Kyle:

Ghostbusters, too.

Kyle:

Lot of love there.

Kyle:

Michael Wincott is top dollar with that amazing raspy voice by Ling is Michael, which is spelled M Y C A, which sounds like a bad yogurt brand.

Kyle:

And then Sophia shyness plays Shelley Webster.

Kyle:

Anna Levine is Darla, which I thought was good.

Kyle:

But here's the one I really wanted to get into.

Kyle:

David Patrick Kelly is T Birdhood.

Kyle:

And, you know, I'll go ahead and just kick off with this one since I'm talking so much.

Kyle:

I love David Patrick Kelly.

Kyle:

He played solely in commando.

Kyle:

He was the villain in that.

Kyle:

He is nothing like these people in real life.

Seth:

Yeah.

Kyle:

When you watch interviews, he also was John Wick.

Kyle:

He's the cleaner in John Wick.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Seth:

Okay.

Seth:

That's why I recognize, like, in the.

Kyle:

Special features for the crow, they're asking questions and he's answering everything.

Kyle:

And, like, the.

Kyle:

Like, the text of Bertrand Russell.

Kyle:

He's like, well, when I'm reading Russell, you know, he's like this well read, quiet, sensitive.

Kyle:

He plays acoustic guitar.

Kyle:

He's not.

Kyle:

But when he gets on screen, man, oh, my God.

Kyle:

I mean, Sully is such a conniving.

Kyle:

And that's the one Arnold, he holds over the ledge and deep bird is just such a weird.

Kyle:

Like, I can't figure out if he's drunk or just mentally ill or.

Kyle:

He's also very dependable.

Kyle:

You know, he's like, he gets everything done.

Kyle:

He owns Devil's night.

Kyle:

So I love that.

Kyle:

But I just also, man, I love Tony Todd.

Kyle:

I just love him.

Kyle:

He's actually, like, a shakespearean guy.

Kyle:

So I love the supporting cast.

Kyle:

I know Brandon Lee because he's so.

Kyle:

And because of the legend, it's hard to look past him, but I think everybody lives.

Kyle:

I love Michael Massey as fun boy.

Kyle:

My main reason I love this movie, besides Brandon Lee, is just the unique villains.

Kyle:

And I think every actor was chosen very well.

Kyle:

Angel, the actor who plays skank, what's his name again?

Kyle:

Angela.

Kyle:

Why is he not listening?

Kyle:

This is such a long cast.

Kyle:

Like, he's nothing like that either.

Kyle:

In real life, when you watch interviews with him, he's very quiet, subtle, but skank is this annoying.

Kyle:

Like.

Drew:

I love it when you watch that actors be someone they're completely not.

Drew:

I mean, that is like, when you're like, watch and you're like, not even like, yeah, cool.

Drew:

That's always fun to watch.

Kyle:

So the crow flies hard on that one.

Seth:

Yeah, absolutely.

Drew:

I'm also crow flies.

Drew:

Ernest.

Drew:

Officer Ghostbuster was my favorite character in the movie.

Drew:

Yeah, it was.

Drew:

I mean, comparing to movies nowadays, it was so nice to see, like, a movie where the police are actually the good guys.

Drew:

Like, there was no corrupt cops.

Drew:

There was a mean cop, but they were actually on the side of doing right.

Drew:

I was like, oh, I forgot that.

Drew:

Like, they can be good guys.

Kyle:

Yeah, yeah, that's in.

Kyle:

There was an emotional element to that, too.

Kyle:

When he realizes that he had stayed in the room with Shelly before she died, all sudden, you're like, damn.

Kyle:

Like that.

Kyle:

Like, that got me.

Kyle:

That was like, oh, this is.

Kyle:

This is a good man.

Seth:

Yeah.

Kyle:

And Ernie Hudson's earnestness as an actor was perfect for that.

Kyle:

His earning his earnestness, you know?

Kyle:

But I do think that's if you, if I were to describe his acting method, it would definitely be like that Ernest Kevin Costner vein of acting.

Kyle:

And it was perfect for this.

Seth:

Yeah.

Drew:

Loved it.

Kyle:

Interesting.

Kyle:

So the crowd, so the crew, they were with us.

Kyle:

They were the crow flies.

Kyle:

This is the only category they split on the.

Kyle:

They split on this.

Kyle:

It was 50 51.

Kyle:

One folk said on the supporting cast, each of them are memorable and Candyman is in it.

Kyle:

Love that.

Kyle:

I basically said the same thing, except I said it much better.

Kyle:

I'm just kidding.

Kyle:

Love you.

Kyle:

Thank you.

Drew:

You can unsubscribe now if you want.

Kyle:

Seriously.

Kyle:

Right.

Kyle:

Better.

Kyle:

No, no, I love it.

Kyle:

Thank you for contributing.

Kyle:

But then one other person went on a tirade here.

Kyle:

I love it.

Kyle:

I think I know which fan this was, other than the character of Sarah.

Kyle:

The rest of the supporting guests basically are Goonsen.

Kyle:

Besides t bird.

Kyle:

I literally, I know you.

Kyle:

I love you, but I couldn't disagree more.

Drew:

Same, I mean, they all, like, all the villains had their one dimensionalness, but they were, they just, they committed.

Drew:

They got so into it.

Drew:

Like each villain did just have one thing, but that's how they were written.

Drew:

So if the question was writing the actual individual villains, that might be something.

Drew:

I'd be like, eat crow.

Drew:

But if it's like the actors into the.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

Took the parts that they were given and you could tell they had fun with it and they did it well.

Seth:

Yeah.

Seth:

Hundred percent.

Kyle:

And it feels like they grew out of the ground, doesn't it?

Kyle:

Like we have this shitty, gloomy setting and it feels like these people are so grimy.

Kyle:

Like they literally, like, are weeds growing out of the concrete.

Kyle:

Like that's, that's who these people are.

Kyle:

And I feel like that's how they nail it.

Drew:

They're products of the crappy place they live in.

Kyle:

Exactly.

Drew:

You know, more, if the more funds are gone, it gone into that town, then maybe less people would have picked a life.

Kyle:

I knew I had to do that during the.

Drew:

Movie.

Drew:

I was like, sure, you're right.

Kyle:

Like, zooming out now that we're talking.

Kyle:

Like, that was the only weird thing really in the movie was, though, the chant.

Drew:

And at the end when he was doing it because he was so sad that he lost the other guy, I was, I felt for him.

Drew:

I was like, that's, he's like, oh.

Kyle:

I guess this is a bad time.

Drew:

That's when you, you're wondering if he's mentally.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

That guy's been huffing helium, you know?

Kyle:

All right, poetic killings.

Kyle:

We're gonna go into the creative slash.

Kyle:

Interesting deaths here.

Seth:

Okay.

Kyle:

What do you think?

Seth:

I mean, there were definitely some very inventive ways of killing people.

Seth:

I don't feel like we had seen death by a shit ton of heroin on screen before that.

Seth:

So I'm personally gonna say that the crow flies on that one.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

I mean, just the fact that it related back to the crimes that they committed in the original scene.

Seth:

Yeah.

Drew:

Was made.

Drew:

It was what made it good.

Seth:

So also, can we just really quick talk about that flashback scene where he goes back to his home and has every one of those flashbacks about the night?

Seth:

Yeah, it happened.

Seth:

That was so.

Seth:

That was one of the notes I wrote down was.

Seth:

That was so well put together.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Seth:

I have.

Seth:

I cannot think of many other scenes that were better edited than that one.

Drew:

Yeah.

Seth:

That was absolutely incredible to watch.

Kyle:

And you probably noticed with your filmmaking background, but flashbacks are a risk.

Seth:

Oh, yeah.

Kyle:

They can be a crutch.

Kyle:

They can be badly done.

Kyle:

They can confuse the audience.

Kyle:

And usually, and this is just the truth, even in great films, flashbacks are often make up for gaps in storytelling.

Seth:

Absolutely.

Kyle:

Here they were essential.

Kyle:

The color, the.

Kyle:

It was devil's night, so everything was red.

Kyle:

And like, they were well done.

Kyle:

They had a purpose here.

Seth:

And also the fact that, like.

Seth:

Like you were talking about at the beginning, that there was no exposition at the beginning, you're just dropped right into the story.

Seth:

So the fact that they were able to utilize those flashbacks so quickly that it wasn't just like a long flashback sequence, it was literally just, boom, he's touching this thing and now he's got a flashback of that moment.

Seth:

And then 2 seconds later, he's got another flashback of this other moment in this other spot.

Seth:

Incredibly well done.

Drew:

I feel like in this movie, the flashbacks were the exposition.

Seth:

Yes, absolutely.

Drew:

And we see that still in movies today.

Drew:

But then you'll see them, like, then give more exposition on what you already saw in the flashbacks.

Drew:

So just the fact that I'm, you know, I'm sitting here, I'm watching this movie, I'm wondering what the deal is.

Drew:

They do the flashback and you're kind of figuring it out, but no one comes back.

Drew:

It's not like the police officer come back later and says, let me tell you what just happened.

Drew:

And it was refreshing.

Drew:

It was like, oh, I'm watching a plot.

Seth:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Seth:

So sorry for.

Seth:

For diverging there, but I felt like that had to be mentioned.

Seth:

That is one of the best flashback scenes I've.

Kyle:

True.

Kyle:

Totally agree.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

The crow flies here, man.

Kyle:

I love how each death was connected to what they did to the.

Kyle:

To Shelley and Eric.

Kyle:

That was fantastic.

Kyle:

I think Eric made the reason I called this category poetic killing, because it is almost poetic.

Kyle:

Oh, yeah.

Kyle:

And my favorite one, even though he doesn't kill Polito's character in the pawn shop, why am I forgetting his name all of a sudden?

Kyle:

Polito's name.

Seth:

I think I wrote it down.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Chick tatto.

Kyle:

I don't know how I could forgive one of the most memorable characters, but.

Kyle:

But he.

Kyle:

You know, that was.

Kyle:

Is that gasoline I smell?

Seth:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Like, the way he almost enjoys every second of the revenge.

Kyle:

I think.

Kyle:

I think it's really cool.

Kyle:

And Gideon.

Kyle:

Gideon.

Kyle:

That's right.

Kyle:

Such a great name for him.

Seth:

Yeah.

Seth:

Seriously.

Seth:

Seriously, though.

Kyle:

Also, no one else could have played that raspy voice.

Kyle:

The bald spot.

Kyle:

That was great.

Kyle:

That was Polito.

Kyle:

All solid.

Kyle:

So totally crow flies.

Kyle:

The crew agreed.

Kyle:

They voted the same in some of the comments.

Kyle:

Every death was an event.

Kyle:

Totally agree.

Kyle:

And then each kill, I felt like it hit the mark portraying each villain.

Kyle:

So, basically, this is what we just said.

Kyle:

So really great comics here.

Kyle:

Although this person thought maybe they should have killed t bird last, which.

Kyle:

That would have been interesting, honestly.

Drew:

That was so interesting to me that he was the first to go, because he was the most.

Kyle:

Oh, Tintin.

Drew:

Yeah.

Drew:

Because he was so interesting.

Drew:

So that's Tintin.

Drew:

That's different than t bird.

Drew:

My bad.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

I would have.

Drew:

I would have liked to see him last a little bit longer.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

Honestly.

Kyle:

Yeah, it was.

Seth:

I know that you had the big boss.

Seth:

You had to kill the big boss at the end.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Like, and he wasn't in the room, so he didn't have a flashback to go on.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

Oh, that's a good point.

Kyle:

And he had that voice.

Kyle:

Am I close with that?

Kyle:

Like, oh, what is the quote?

Kyle:

You said a childhood.

Drew:

Isn't there a fact where, like, he would, like, just.

Drew:

I might be mixing this up with completely different actor in a different movie, but I feel like I read something where, like, he would yell in that voice to get to that point so that he could, like, do it.

Seth:

That makes sense.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

It's very raspy.

Drew:

Yeah.

Seth:

To your.

Seth:

To what you were saying.

Seth:

Best quote of the entire movie, in my opinion.

Seth:

Dad gave me this fifth birthday.

Seth:

He said, childhood's over the moment you know you're going to die.

Kyle:

Childhood's over, the moment you know you're going to die.

Seth:

What a fucked up thing to say to a five year old.

Kyle:

I know.

Kyle:

While you're, like, slightly incestuous with your.

Drew:

Sister, if you're ever wondering like, how do you get your kids into a life of crime?

Drew:

I think saying shit like that is, like, a great way to get them into it.

Kyle:

Yeah, that's good.

Kyle:

Like, you're five.

Kyle:

Like, let's go to Chuck E.

Kyle:

Cheese.

Kyle:

Actually, let's have a talk.

Kyle:

We're doing the birds and the bees.

Drew:

Everyone's gonna die.

Kyle:

Here's the night.

Seth:

The other two quotes that I absolutely loved, no onions.

Seth:

They make you fart big time.

Kyle:

Thank you, Sarah.

Seth:

And then.

Seth:

Oh, shit.

Seth:

Shit on me.

Seth:

Shit on me.

Kyle:

Yes.

Seth:

I didn't know you were that kinky Polito.

Kyle:

I love it, dude.

Kyle:

I know.

Kyle:

He was, he was so good.

Kyle:

We kind of glaze over Sarah, but she's honestly, like, kind of, like, the only thing that annoys me, I didn't love.

Seth:

Oh, really?

Seth:

I thought she was fantastic.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Seth:

I enjoyed her performance.

Drew:

I thought she was a good, like, dichotomy to the Brandon's character.

Kyle:

Yeah, that's true.

Seth:

Yeah.

Seth:

Like, she definitely gave me vibes of, like, someone who was forced to grow up.

Kyle:

Mm hmm.

Seth:

Like, versus.

Seth:

Because we might do true grit later.

Seth:

But the thing that pissed me off about the original true grit was how fucking annoying the girl.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Seth:

Because she, she seems like a child who wants to be a grown up.

Seth:

Versus in the remake that the Coen brothers did, again, seems like a girl who was forced to grow up and.

Kyle:

Actually taking on that response was that Hailey Steinfeld?

Kyle:

Yeah, she was fantastic.

Seth:

Incredible.

Seth:

But that's the vibe that I got from Sarah in this was just a girl in this life who was four to grow at ten years old.

Kyle:

Yeah, that's true.

Kyle:

No, I love it.

Kyle:

And I love the dynamic with Darla when she's making the eggs.

Kyle:

Like that scene.

Seth:

That was such a good moment.

Kyle:

Yeah, yeah.

Kyle:

Oh, and one more thing I forgot.

Kyle:

David Patrick Kelly originally auditioned to be top dollar.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

But they wanted wing caught from the beginning, but they definitely wanted Kelly in the movie, so that's how that happened.

Kyle:

I don't know.

Kyle:

That would have been better in the casting, but, you know, this stuff just comes to you.

Seth:

Hey, we're here.

Seth:

Let's do it.

Kyle:

Next category, the mask.

Kyle:

I named it after the Jim Carrey movie.

Drew:

Good movie, but good movie.

Drew:

Weird.

Kyle:

Very good.

Kyle:

Weird.

Kyle:

Really?

Kyle:

It's hilarious, bro.

Kyle:

So this category entails everything, you know, from the leathers to the villains dressed out, just the whole wardrobe and the mask.

Kyle:

Because this is going to be important through the whole franchise because each entry, it looks different.

Kyle:

Like, everything looks different.

Kyle:

So it'll be interesting how this varies over the course of the franchise, and none of us have seen the new one.

Seth:

Yeah.

Kyle:

But the preview, it looks totally different.

Seth:

Yeah.

Kyle:

So what did you think of the.

Kyle:

The wardrobe, the mask, everything off the chain?

Seth:

I thought it was fantastic.

Seth:

I.

Seth:

You could tell that there was thought put into every aspect of what people were wearing, the way, and like you said when, with the fact that Brandon did his own makeup like that, to me, just speaks to the fact that he had embodied the character, because that moment where he puts the makeup on when he first comes back to the house, like, that's such an important moment that.

Seth:

Yeah.

Seth:

If you kind of pawn that off to the makeup department, I can see how it would have lost its.

Seth:

Its profoundness there when he is the one who decided what he's gonna look like.

Kyle:

I love that.

Seth:

So, yeah, crow flies on that for me.

Drew:

I'm gonna get a crows frat.

Drew:

Crows FRY.

Drew:

That's what I'm gonna give it a first.

Drew:

I'm gonna learn how to speak, and.

Seth:

Then I'm not good for a living.

Drew:

So it was.

Drew:

It was good, but I think what made it so good for me and so different than just, like, modern movies that we see today is it wasn't super advanced, it wasn't super time.

Drew:

Like, if someone was like, I want to see a lot of good costumes and really big details and stuff like that, they might not like as much.

Drew:

It was pretty basic.

Drew:

It was pretty straightforward through the whole movie.

Drew:

It was intentional, and I think it worked.

Drew:

It'll be interesting to watch the, especially when we get to the newest one, because something, knowing absolutely nothing about something tells me they probably went overboard on costumes.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

Because that's our style analysis.

Drew:

Just go overboard on it.

Drew:

And I think what made what the reason I'm saying yes to it, not because it was like, wow, these costumes are fantastic.

Drew:

It's because they were basic and it added to the plot.

Seth:

Yeah.

Seth:

They felt lived in.

Seth:

Like, so something I've noticed, and I really noticed it in the new avatar, the last Airbender series is the reason a lot of these modern productions look so out of place is because the costumes people are wearing look like you just pulled them out of the spirit Halloween box.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Seth:

They don't look lived in.

Seth:

They don't look worn.

Seth:

Like, like every single one of these people look like this is the only set of clothes that they have.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Seth:

I've been wearing them every day for the past ten years, and.

Seth:

And they reflected that.

Kyle:

Yeah, I totally agree.

Kyle:

And, like, you look at Rob Zombie's remake of Halloween, like, all sudden micromires needs to be, he needs to be six foot ten, you know, and needs to be a bodybuilder type.

Kyle:

It's like this.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

It's the, whenever it's like, when we reboot something, we got to exacerbate it, you know?

Kyle:

And I totally agree.

Kyle:

And, yeah, I go, the crow.

Kyle:

The crow flies here.

Kyle:

I love it.

Kyle:

And one of my favorite factoids, not just with Brandon Lee doing his own makeup, but they always said that the, the best look that he ever had was after a day of filming, because by the end of it, the rain that they were using on set, it would wear it down and all the new sheen would come off.

Kyle:

And those were the best takes.

Drew:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Were the ones where, like, the.

Kyle:

The wetness had ruined the kind of fresh look, and it was almost transparent.

Kyle:

And so there is a rawness to it.

Seth:

Yeah, absolutely.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

And the crew is right there with us.

Kyle:

They also voted crow flies.

Kyle:

Couple of the comments, the makeup looks simple but natural.

Kyle:

Totally agree.

Kyle:

And then without this look, there is no new generation to this.

Kyle:

I feel like it was very unique at the time.

Kyle:

And Lee delivered it to a tee, giving influence to characters like Sting the wrestler.

Kyle:

I agree.

Kyle:

Very cool.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Great comment.

Drew:

I forgot about sting.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

He would have been great in this movie.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Which is funny.

Kyle:

When he first started wrestling, he had the surf image, blonde hair, and it was always turquoise and pink.

Kyle:

So where are we at here?

Kyle:

We got:

Kyle:

We got five so far.

Kyle:

We're going to win, but we got to finish these categories.

Kyle:

But the crew did give us a split, so bunch of critics out there.

Kyle:

Bunch of tired asses.

Kyle:

We love you.

Kyle:

Keep listening.

Seth:

Save your criticisms for the definitely shittier ones out there.

Kyle:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kyle:

Maintain your positivity.

Kyle:

You're going to need it.

Seth:

Yeah.

Drew:

It's all downhill from here.

Kyle:

I entitled this category.

Kyle:

How good are these bad guys?

Seth:

Huh?

Kyle:

What do you think?

Kyle:

How good are these bad guys?

Drew:

I just want to give your titles as the crow flies.

Drew:

Yeah, like that.

Seth:

Yeah, yeah.

Seth:

So here's what I am gonna say, and I'm gonna.

Seth:

I'm personally split on the villains.

Kyle:

Okay.

Seth:

I think 60% of them were fantastically well done.

Kyle:

Okay.

Seth:

I think there were a couple, skank being one of them.

Seth:

I appreciate what he was doing with the character, but there was a little too much cartoony.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Seth:

For me.

Seth:

As far as a couple of them are concerned, as we've mentioned a couple times, the chanting, what the fuck?

Seth:

Like, that's just, it's so out of place for the setting of this movie.

Seth:

The.

Seth:

The villains, well, for the most part, were very well done.

Seth:

There was just a little too much cartoony for me to fully go grab.

Seth:

Yeah, I'm a little split on this.

Drew:

Hey, I'm gonna.

Drew:

I'm gonna.

Drew:

I'm gonna take a stance.

Kyle:

Oh, no.

Drew:

I'm gonna say that, in general, objectively, villains, not that great.

Drew:

What made this movie good was that that was part of it, was the plot.

Drew:

The killing of each villain was what escalated the plot.

Drew:

Okay, but if we're talking comics.

Kyle:

Yeah, yeah.

Drew:

If we're the.

Drew:

There are, like, Spider Man's a great example.

Drew:

Batman's a great example of.

Drew:

Each of their villains are well thought out.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

And there's a lot of depth to them.

Seth:

Yeah.

Drew:

And if it was.

Drew:

If this was, like, a Batman movie or just Batman in general, we could say, like, man, each of those villains, there's a whole.

Drew:

You could.

Drew:

There's a whole lot you can say about.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

With these villains, except for the.

Drew:

The main antagonist, you'd have, like, maybe three sentences of character development.

Kyle:

Sure.

Drew:

Now, that was intentional for the movie.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

Like, it worked for what we were doing with the plot.

Drew:

But since this category specifically, how do we feel about these villains?

Drew:

Completely one dimensional.

Drew:

Each one had a thing.

Drew:

And so if this was an extended comic book series, I would hope that they would go into more detail about each of them, because right now, they're just.

Drew:

They're just run of the mill henchmen.

Seth:

Yeah.

Drew:

Minions.

Kyle:

Yeah, totally.

Seth:

And that's.

Seth:

That's.

Seth:

Yeah, that's why I'm split, is like, yeah.

Seth:

A few of them took what they were given to, ran with it very well, but because for the most part, they are so flat as characters, I feel like instead of taking it upon themselves to add depth for themselves, they just kind of went with, let's go over the top with it.

Kyle:

Sure.

Seth:

So, yeah, I agree with you on that.

Drew:

So even though.

Drew:

So even though I'm saying no to that one or eat crow.

Kyle:

Eat crow.

Drew:

I do fry that crow.

Kyle:

Right.

Drew:

The movie would not have worked as well, though.

Drew:

Each villain was really well developed, and we had to spend time developing each.

Seth:

Person, because it's definitely not a movie where you want to care about the people who raped and murdered people.

Kyle:

Right.

Drew:

Well, they had good reason there.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

There's no way.

Kyle:

Just.

Seth:

There are good people on both sides.

Drew:

I could see it both ways.

Drew:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Well, honestly, even though I go, crow flies and it doesn't matter, I'm overruled, which is great.

Kyle:

On my own podcast, I do more.

Drew:

Overrules and we're kicking them off the podcast.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

And then you guys are gonna take over and you're gonna call it something else.

Kyle:

Eagle wars of freedom, starring Kid Rock, in theaters November.

Kyle:

This is one of the reasons I love the scorecard, though, because it leads conversation.

Kyle:

You guys, even though I obviously think differently, like, you did open my mind and you just blew my mind because earlier I asked you the question, how does this compare to what is now a very popular, ingrained in our society, which is MCU comic book?

Kyle:

And you're so right.

Kyle:

What we're used to is that, like, you know, what's his face?

Kyle:

And I'm not a big MCu guy, but, you know, Doctor Octopus, is that his name, right?

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Doc, he has such an interesting backstory.

Seth:

Oh, yeah.

Kyle:

And we're used to, like, because we have so many of these movies and so much supporting comic book literature.

Kyle:

We get lifetimes.

Kyle:

And.

Kyle:

And it gives you the time to almost say, well, if you're a fan of the literature and the movies, well, he did that because back on in comic number, whatever he.

Kyle:

This happened to him and, like, and die hard fans are doing that.

Kyle:

Here we have, you know, one set.

Kyle:

We have the crow, which I think it was four.

Kyle:

There were four different crow graphic comics, but they were combined into one.

Kyle:

Now, you buy them as one, but I can't, I think it was four or five, but.

Kyle:

But you're right.

Kyle:

Like, it's, it's.

Kyle:

And there may have been more detail there, but you literally are kind of just dropped into this story and you just know these are bad, grimy dudes that look like they grew out of the ground.

Drew:

Yeah.

Kyle:

I totally respect that point of view.

Kyle:

I love that they're unique, and I love that their attributes connect to how he kills them in the end.

Kyle:

I think that's great.

Kyle:

But I could also see, like, wanting more.

Kyle:

Like, how did T bird, like, did they call him T Bird because he was bad at t ball?

Kyle:

Like, I like his parent, you know, first name's Theodore.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

Like, and it's actually by arty.

Drew:

It's just a laugh.

Drew:

Yeah, it's just street name.

Drew:

Back when he was young, getting into the gang.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

Like Gideon, like, biblical name.

Drew:

He grew up Southern Baptist.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

Really went south.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Seth:

He liked laying fleece out in the rain and.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Seth:

Make sure it got wet in the morning.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

So I totally Bible, deep cup, deep cut, y'all.

Kyle:

I love the points of the crew.

Kyle:

The crew went, crow flies, but here it's five to one.

Kyle:

It's wrong.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Eagle this is movie wars 2.0.

Kyle:

I asked you just to make fun of you.

Kyle:

No.

Kyle:

Cool.

Kyle:

No, love.

Kyle:

Love those points.

Kyle:

So very good.

Kyle:

All right, next category.

Kyle:

I called this the shitty city award, which is actually.

Kyle:

It's supposed to be shitty.

Kyle:

Yeah, but rate the setting.

Seth:

I mean, I.

Seth:

To me, 100% crow flies.

Seth:

Like, I was talking about the.

Seth:

The fact that they used miniatures, and I know that was the thing to do back in the day, but we've lost that so much.

Seth:

I know.

Seth:

It's still sort of a practice.

Seth:

Like, I know on Blade Runner:

Seth:

I think we all know one of the biggest reasons Lord of the Rings is so good today is because I think the estimate is, like, 75% of the things that you were seeing on screen were filmed in one way or another.

Seth:

And looking at this city, it.

Seth:

It is its own character.

Seth:

It has its own life.

Seth:

There is its own blood force that is.

Seth:

That is making this thing its own personal character.

Seth:

So, for me, I think they nailed it.

Seth:

I.

Seth:

100% amount of crow flies on this one.

Kyle:

Love that.

Drew:

Love it.

Drew:

Same.

Drew:

The crow.

Drew:

Keep that crow flying.

Drew:

I mean, get out of here.

Drew:

Yeah, it was great.

Drew:

I mean, as soon as you get the movie, you're just so dialed into this place.

Drew:

Like, it makes sense from the first shot.

Drew:

Yeah, it makes sense that all these, like, terrible criminals are terrible.

Drew:

I mean, there's probably so much seasonal depression there.

Drew:

People probably just a rough place to live.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

Can you imagine being one of those police officers?

Drew:

There's.

Drew:

That is not where you want to get.

Drew:

Yeah.

Kyle:

And I travel to Seattle for work every six to seven weeks, and this made Seattle look like, you know, the sunniest place on the planet.

Kyle:

Yeah, I agree.

Kyle:

And the reason I agree, it's like you never asked the question.

Kyle:

I just realized, like, I've seen this movie over a hundred times and never did I ask, like, why does it never stop?

Drew:

Right?

Kyle:

Like, not even a moment.

Kyle:

It's just like.

Kyle:

And you're like, why is everything so rundown?

Kyle:

Like, why is almost everyone evil?

Kyle:

Like, 98, but why is 98% of the population horrible?

Seth:

Yeah.

Drew:

Yeah.

Kyle:

You just.

Kyle:

They.

Kyle:

You're so bought in that you just never think to ask, you know?

Kyle:

And so.

Kyle:

And that's.

Kyle:

I totally give it the same.

Kyle:

So love it.

Kyle:

And the crew also won on that one.

Kyle:

Or.

Kyle:

Sorry, I say I won.

Kyle:

I wrote the number one to indicate that they said the crow flies.

Kyle:

I'm getting lost.

Drew:

There are a bunch of winners.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Yes.

Kyle:

I'm getting lost in my own production sheet here.

Kyle:

All right, it's five to one last category, or not that it matters because we're.

Kyle:

We see the score, but, hey, we got to finish it out.

Seth:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Revert.

Kyle:

Revenge served.

Kyle:

Awesome.

Kyle:

Did the.

Kyle:

Did the.

Kyle:

Because revenge is the theory, the whole thing, through the movies.

Kyle:

Right.

Kyle:

Do you feel like it delivered on.

Kyle:

On this purpose?

Kyle:

Did they?

Kyle:

Did he.

Kyle:

I'm trying to think of a good way to say this.

Kyle:

Did the punishment fit the crime?

Seth:

Oh, yeah.

Seth:

So, yeah, here's the thing I have to do with this movie in particular, is I have to look at it for when it came out, because clearly we have had so many revenge movies come out since.

Seth:

And there were definitely plenty before, but it wasn't as drawn out of a genre as it is today.

Seth:

So for me, I am gonna forget everything that has happened since this movie's been made.

Seth:

I'm gonna forget everything about John Wick.

Seth:

I'm gonna forget all of that.

Seth:

And I genuinely think this is one of the most timeless revenge flicks I've ever seen.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Seth:

especially a couple of, like,:

Seth:

I don't know if y'all have seen a spit on your grave.

Drew:

Mm hmm.

Seth:

Very, very graphic, intense movie.

Seth:

I don't recommend it for most people because it is a very disturbing watch, but to me, that is a very quintessential revenge film.

Seth:

And this hearkened me back to that kind of setting where, yeah, genuinely, you are.

Seth:

You are making sure that each person who did something horrific had something equally as horrific done back to them.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Seth:

So crow flies on that for me.

Kyle:

I love that.

Drew:

Yeah, yeah.

Drew:

I mean, the revenge was the plot of the movie.

Drew:

So as the crow flies, I.

Drew:

You know, it.

Drew:

You go into it watching.

Drew:

Knowing you're watching an antihero like this.

Drew:

The context would be completely different if this was a Superman movie.

Kyle:

Right.

Drew:

Cause there's part of me that when he busts into the banquet hall and is killing all those people, like, I hope that guy didn't have a family.

Drew:

He didn't even part of the.

Drew:

He just was there.

Drew:

He was just a henchman who's like, get him.

Drew:

And he's like, okay, I guess I need to pay for my child support.

Drew:

You know, like, so, like, maybe a little overkill to the people that weren't present in the.

Drew:

They were working by association for.

Seth:

Yeah.

Drew:

But, I mean, it's just you go into this knowing, like, okay, he's an antihero.

Drew:

This is just like we were talking with kind of villains.

Drew:

You understand the motivation to why they are the way they are.

Drew:

Well, that's something maybe we could have used more of in this movie with the individual villains.

Drew:

But with Brandon Lee, you understood why he was the way he was.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

And so there's nothing in me that's just like, oh, he's a little heavy handed here.

Drew:

I'm like, yo, get him.

Kyle:

Yeah, I love that.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

And I love how you went back to I spit on your grave.

Kyle:

Really great.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Revenge is such an interesting thing because it's an asset to so many movies, westerns, so many genres.

Kyle:

You know, films that depict, you know, roman time, whatever it is.

Kyle:

Like, it's just.

Kyle:

It's a.

Kyle:

It's just very commonplace.

Kyle:

This was actually the only category where I actually did go the other way.

Kyle:

And it's kind of weird to say that I.

Kyle:

This movie is the perfect movie to me.

Kyle:

It's not like I, you know, but the thing I don't get is the flat.

Kyle:

Like, I love the flashbacks, but at the same time, it feels like it's his only measure of, like, who to kill and when.

Kyle:

And, like, he didn't even know top dollar existed until he confessed to him that he was the guy that hired t bird.

Seth:

But remember, you had the crow guiding him.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Seth:

He was about to put himself back in the grave until the crow itself realized that Sarah had been kidnapped.

Kyle:

Did he just forget?

Kyle:

You know, like, oh, yeah, there's this other guy.

Kyle:

He hired all these guys.

Seth:

Well, I.

Seth:

What I got out of that was that because he died and came back.

Seth:

I don't think he even remembered Shelly until he got back to the apartment.

Seth:

And that's when all of the flashes starting hitting him.

Seth:

And that's when he started remembering what happened.

Drew:

Yeah.

Drew:

When he first came, he, like, in the beginning, he wasn't completely aware of what was going on.

Kyle:

Right.

Drew:

And you would see the pain he would have as he.

Drew:

Those flashbacks, which was their storytelling device of telling us the plot.

Seth:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

What's kind of interesting.

Seth:

So, yeah, I don't know.

Seth:

To me, I feel like it worked itself out appropriately, but I get what you're saying.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Like, the other side of it, I'm just trying to figure out, like, we're already, like, we already rose from the dead here to avenge some stuff.

Kyle:

It's like, it's kind of weird.

Kyle:

The oversight was like, oh, there's this other guy.

Kyle:

He's the boss.

Kyle:

Let's go.

Kyle:

He took Sarah.

Kyle:

Let's go get him.

Seth:

But I don't know.

Seth:

Like I said, he.

Seth:

He had.

Seth:

He wouldn't have had a memory.

Seth:

True, that guy.

Seth:

And then the only reason he.

Seth:

He went after him and then got the confession was because of Sarah.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Seth:

So I don't know.

Seth:

It makes sense to me.

Drew:

One thing we never get is, like, an explanation of, like, how he came back.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Seth:

Like, was it like that was in the opening narration?

Seth:

Very specifically about how the crow was leading him, his soul, to the grave.

Seth:

But because there was unfinished business, the crow kept him and brought him back on the same day.

Drew:

Right.

Drew:

So right from the start, we should just be okay with crows doing that.

Drew:

Like, that's.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Seth:

To me, whenever I watch a movie like this, especially.

Seth:

Especially when it has a little opening narration like that, my rule is the moment the movie explains the rules of the universe.

Seth:

Throw everything you know about anything else out the window.

Seth:

And these are the only rules?

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

Kind of like how in, like, any karate kid, cobra kayak.

Drew:

Oh, yeah.

Drew:

Karate solves everything.

Kyle:

Yes.

Seth:

Yeah.

Drew:

Like, or fast and furious.

Drew:

When you land on a car, it stops you from dying.

Seth:

Like, for me, a recent one that I feel like, for me, did it well, was Tenet Christopher Nolan's movie?

Seth:

So many people hated that movie so much.

Kyle:

I loved it.

Seth:

But it's because they missed the first 15 minutes of explanation where literally it set up every single rule for what was about to happen.

Seth:

And nothing happened outside of those rules.

Seth:

But everyone was trying to explain it in modern day physics and modern day blah.

Seth:

And I'm like, no, no, no, no.

Seth:

They told you exactly how this was gonna work.

Seth:

You have to follow those rules.

Seth:

And he stayed within those bounds.

Drew:

I really like that you said that, because that is true about movies.

Drew:

When you get into whatever universe you're watching of whatever series, and even with tv shows, you just know, well, in this movie, this is the way it is because that's the plot of.

Seth:

Well, not even the plot.

Seth:

It's.

Seth:

It's the rules of the universe.

Seth:

So if.

Seth:

If a movie or tv show tries to say, this is grounded in real life, then feel free to go and say, well, this isn't realistic for real life because that's what they're trying to do.

Seth:

But when you're watching a crazy movie like the crow or, like Tenet or, like, interstellar or something that clearly is trying to break the bounds of what we know in this world, you have to forget everything that you consider about our world because you're not watching our world.

Seth:

You're watching whatever world the creator has come up with.

Drew:

And then that's where movie critiques come in, because then we start noticing when, if it goes on long enough, we start seeing them do things that are not.

Seth:

Yeah.

Drew:

In the rules that they created.

Seth:

Yeah.

Drew:

Wait a minute.

Kyle:

So I feel the same way about fan theories.

Seth:

Yeah.

Kyle:

You know, fans just run wild.

Kyle:

They're like, well.

Kyle:

And they're like, they'll argue something that didn't even occur in the movie.

Seth:

It's like, yeah, I I see so many people doing stuff like that on Reddit, and my comment is always, I am so glad they did not let fans write this movie.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Oh, and do you see on Reddit when they do the fan, like, I wrote a fan script.

Seth:

Yeah.

Kyle:

You're like, delete.

Seth:

Yeah.

Seth:

I'm like, I'm sure it sucks.

Seth:

Please move on.

Kyle:

Yeah, yeah.

Kyle:

Or maybe it's just that every bird has a job, you know?

Drew:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Storks deliver babies.

Kyle:

Bald eagles made freedom.

Kyle:

Crows bring people back from the dead for a murder.

Kyle:

Yeah, it's really bad.

Kyle:

Basic drew.

Drew:

Crows are the avengers.

Kyle:

Have you never birdwatched before?

Seth:

Parrots, let us talk.

Drew:

But now I'm gonna.

Kyle:

Absolutely.

Kyle:

Every bird.

Kyle:

Wow.

Drew:

I wish birds would be so much cooler.

Seth:

Yeah, ducks are dicks.

Kyle:

Like, I mean, maybe that should have been the remake.

Kyle:

Every bird has a job.

Seth:

Each sequel is a different bird.

Kyle:

Feels like pigeon.

Kyle:

The owl.

Kyle:

The owl is wise man.

Kyle:

We do give a lot of responsibility to birds.

Drew:

Vulture is just some creepy dude with dead bodies.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Think about it.

Kyle:

This could have just as easily.

Kyle:

A whale could have brought him back.

Kyle:

Now you're like, open my mind.

Kyle:

This movie sucks.

Kyle:

Like, it could have just been like, an octopus.

Kyle:

Be like, you know, if I can get on land, I'd be bringing you.

Seth:

All back.

Kyle:

With all eight arms, eight people a day, coming back from the dead.

Drew:

Come with me, octopus.

Drew:

Like, that's an alien by a lot of people.

Kyle:

Really?

Drew:

Not really an aquatic.

Seth:

I mean, they can breathe above and below water.

Seth:

Like, it's absolutely insane.

Seth:

We're gonna see it happening.

Drew:

We're gonna need more people to be brought back to life by crows to fight off the octopus.

Kyle:

Yeah, yeah.

Kyle:

They say that they would be easier to domesticate than dogs if they could walk on land.

Kyle:

Yeah, that's crazy.

Seth:

They just need bones.

Drew:

I swear, someone was like, here's my pet octopus.

Drew:

I'm like, I'm leaving.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Oh, my God.

Drew:

No, thank you.

Kyle:

Only in East Nashville.

Drew:

Fry that and bring it to dinner.

Drew:

Otherwise, I don't want to I found.

Kyle:

Him behind barista parlor.

Kyle:

Awesome.

Kyle:

Well, dude, six to one, our first war score.

Kyle:

I just gotta say, you two killed it.

Kyle:

Amazing.

Seth:

Thank you.

Kyle:

Thank you.

Kyle:

I loved it.

Kyle:

We're gonna get into the crow city of Angels next, so get your drink on.

Drew:

I've heard it only gets.

Drew:

Goes uphill.

Drew:

Everyone says these movies are just.

Drew:

They get better and better and better.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Seth:

Like, the next one might be a two joint movie.

Kyle:

What's funny?

Kyle:

What's really funny is it's like you say, take this positivity because it gets worse, but then you hear how bad the reboot is.

Kyle:

Like, maybe cling to it.

Seth:

Yeah, just a little bit.

Kyle:

Just find the good in the next three.

Kyle:

Just cling on to one good thing and then get to the reboot.

Drew:

I do love series and I'm excited to watch.

Drew:

Like, I love just watching stories continue.

Drew:

But, like, as soon as this movie finished, I was like, they didn't need a sequel.

Kyle:

Yeah, well, Brandon Lee was signed up for three.

Kyle:

He was committed to three.

Kyle:

And then they figured they had to do.

Kyle:

That's why they couldn't get Alex back and.

Seth:

Yeah, I wonder how that would have worked, though, because the only reason he came back in this one was because everything happened directly to him.

Seth:

I don't feel like it's appropriate to turn his character into this random ass film vigilante guy who comes back to avenge other people.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Seth:

Like, the only reason sequels make sense.

Seth:

And I'm.

Seth:

Again, I haven't seen any of the other ones, so I don't know if this outgoes, but my guess is each one is a different protagonist and each one is a different reason for.

Kyle:

Yeah, exactly.

Seth:

The only way I could justify having samples.

Drew:

The next one is Tintin comes back.

Seth:

He goes and mutilates a dead body.

Kyle:

He starts off with a butter knife.

Kyle:

He's gotta build his collection back.

Drew:

So he kills the little girl, Sarah, right?

Drew:

Then she comes back in the third one to kill all his family.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Drew:

Yeah, that's.

Drew:

I think we just.

Kyle:

The crow.

Kyle:

The Tin Tin.

Seth:

Yeah.

Drew:

And then it's just the trilogy.

Drew:

Or the series is called murder.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Or maybe Draven has repressed.

Kyle:

Repressed memories.

Kyle:

You know, when the crow brings it back.

Kyle:

Remember Chip who stepped on your toe at home?

Kyle:

Coming in 10th grade.

Kyle:

His time is up.

Seth:

Let's go kill your stepdad.

Kyle:

Remember your uncle who told you you were adopted?

Kyle:

His time has come.

Drew:

What a weird threat to give people to, like, after someone pisses you off.

Drew:

Be like, I hope I die.

Drew:

And then crow brings me back to you?

Kyle:

Yeah, that'd be pretty wild.

Drew:

People be like, stop talking to me.

Kyle:

Because I'm such a pacifist now.

Seth:

Yeah.

Kyle:

I'm not confrontational.

Kyle:

I can't imagine being broadband.

Kyle:

Like, I gotta kill these people.

Seth:

All of them.

Kyle:

Really?

Seth:

That's a lot of people, bro.

Kyle:

I'll just sit back.

Kyle:

Yellenhouse.

Kyle:

I'll hire somebody.

Seth:

I have to kill every person that wronged me.

Drew:

Upwork, upwork.

Drew:

Freelancers.

Kyle:

Awesome.

Kyle:

Well, before we close up, where can people see y'all?

Kyle:

You're touring?

Kyle:

You're out.

Seth:

Yeah, I got a show at Third Coast Comedy club on October 4.

Seth:

Yeah, come see me there.

Seth:

And beautiful, one more on November 7, right before I go to Orlando for my birthday.

Kyle:

Beautiful Orlando.

Seth:

Seth K's comedy on Instagram, y'all.

Kyle:

Beautiful.

Drew:

Yeah.

Drew:

The best way is to follow me at Drew Davis comedy on Instagram or Facebook or over your.

Seth:

We're very original over here.

Drew:

Nice and easy.

Drew:

Drew Davis is my name.

Drew:

Comedy is my game.

Drew:

I'm never saying that again.

Drew:

I'm gonna go kill myself.

Seth:

He's good, y'all.

Seth:

He's really good at comedy.

Drew:

Yeah.

Drew:

But we do.

Drew:

I do produce a lot of shows here in Nashville or kind of Nashville adjacent middle Tennessee area.

Drew:

And one of the ones that's a new one starting in a couple weeks is in Franklin at the Buguenot pig.

Drew:

It's a showcase and then an open mic afterwards.

Drew:

And the best thing to do for a new show.

Drew:

Yeah.

Drew:

We're calling it bacon and bits.

Kyle:

Oh, you were built for this, baby.

Drew:

Absolutely.

Drew:

It's funny because, like, the last open mic and rain was at a juice bar, and no one believed that I could, like, I had ever heard of a juice bar.

Drew:

And now I'm at, like, a barbecue and burger place, and people are like, that makes sense.

Seth:

That's it.

Drew:

But it'll be a lot of fun.

Drew:

It's every Thursday and we really would like an audience, so that would help.

Seth:

You're in Tennessee.

Kyle:

We do have a Tennessee contingent in the demographics here.

Kyle:

I actually just looked at them.

Kyle:

We do have a pretty big Tennessee base.

Drew:

That makes sense because you're here.

Kyle:

Grassroots.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Yeah.

Kyle:

Our biggest one is paraguay.

Kyle:

No, no, that's unfortunate, actually.

Kyle:

A lot of Irish.

Seth:

Oh, Ireland.

Seth:

I love you.

Seth:

I will probably be back at some point in the next year or two, so.

Seth:

Yeah, let's.

Seth:

Let's.

Seth:

Let's do.

Seth:

Do some comedy while I'm out there.

Kyle:

Yes.

Drew:

Someone invite me to Ireland to do comedy.

Kyle:

Yes.

Drew:

I'm game.

Kyle:

Well, awesome.

Kyle:

Six to one.

Kyle:

Thank you guys so much.

Kyle:

It was incredible.

Kyle:

I'm Kyle.

Seth:

I'm Seth.

Drew:

And I'm Drew.

Kyle:

Love y'all.

Seth:

See you next time.

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A panel of standup comedians deliver deeply researched and thoughtful film analysis.
A panel of stand-up comedians blends humor with deep film analysis, using their unique ‘War Card’ system to grade movies across key categories. Each episode delivers thoughtful insights and spirited debate, offering a fresh, comedic take on film critique. New episode every Thursday!
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