A Nightmare On Elm Street (1984) with comedian Marianna Barksdale

Marianna: 00:00:00

Foreign.

Kyle: 00:00:12

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Movie wars podcast. I'm Kyle.

Marianna: 00:00:16

I'm Seth. And we've got our favorite back, Mariana.

Kyle: 00:00:19

And Barksdale, our horror expert.

Marianna: 00:00:21

Absolutely, that's me.

Kyle: 00:00:23

I'm a horror expert, stand a comedian. And since last time, I would actually add actress to that. Yeah, because you're starting to get some work, girl.

Marianna: 00:00:30

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Seth: 00:00:31

That's a good point. I keep forgetting that it's all coming out in like, January now, though. I don't know if I feel.

Marianna: 00:00:36

Keep an eye out.

Kyle: 00:00:37

Yeah. You don't have to give away what. What it is, but you're getting booked and. Yeah, yeah, it's awesome. You deserve it. But congratulations.

Seth: 00:00:44

Thank you. Booked and blessed. And I do want to be booked on a horror movie in case anybody wants to write one for me.

Kyle: 00:00:49

Nightmare. Nightmare on Barksdale Street.

Marianna: 00:00:52

Speaking of.

Kyle: 00:00:53

As a quick reminder, the way the show goes, we do film history. We're gonna do randos, which are the most interesting facts we uncover during research.

The questions which are questions that we write that generate comedic banner or good conversation around the film. And we finish with rapid score scorecards, which we call the war zone. So that's how we finish out our approval or disapproval. We are doing, man.

Lately, Seth, the schedule has been so Kyle friendly.

Marianna: 00:01:17

You're welcome.

Kyle: 00:01:18

For a minute there, it was very. Not Kyle Friendly to stretch you, but.

Marianna: 00:01:22

Sometimes we got to put you back in your comfort zone.

Kyle: 00:01:24

All the Superman, all the Snyder. I just blew. And I thought we were done. And then we had Dustin chaffing on. It was like Superman Returns, like, oh, my God, we're back again.

Marianna: 00:01:32

And it made him miss the Snyderverse.

Kyle: 00:01:34

And it did. And that actually did we. We are doing A Nightmare on Elm street. And I think. I think it's such an important film for his.

Seth: 00:01:43

Cheesy.

Marianna: 00:01:43

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:01:44

And inconsistent and not really great act. Like there's so many things you could say, but it's weird that you can say all that but also say this is a very important film.

Marianna: 00:01:53

Well, when you compare it to the.

The other genre type films of the time, and I'm specifically referring to like Halloween or Friday the 13th, this comes out so far above all the others because there was definitely an era of those indie horror movies where the acting was never great, the music was never great, the story was just good enough that it kind of kept you going along, but really you were just there for the blood and gore and the special effects. I feel like as, you know, mid as the acting could be, which some of that I feel like, is just on the fact that it was ADR'd.

And it's very hard to do ADR for a low budget. I still feel like this sits above all of those other movies, especially as the origin for a massive franchise.

Kyle: 00:02:39

Yeah. What do you think?

Seth: 00:02:39

Oh, my God. I, like, I'm obsessed with horror and, like, very messed up horror.

Marianna: 00:02:45

I know you didn't just put out a list of 100 great horror movies.

Seth: 00:02:50

Not only that is, like, there's nothing popular on that list either. Like, not really.

Marianna: 00:02:55

Midsummer's popular.

Seth: 00:02:56

Yeah, that's true. There's a handful, but no, this is actually, I didn't. I will say this. I did not want to watch this movie.

Marianna: 00:03:03

Really?

Kyle: 00:03:03

Oh, really?

Seth: 00:03:03

And I was so jealous. Just turned around. It's amazing. It's. It's one of the best horror movies I've ever watched. I actually couldn't sleep at night. It was so.

It's not that it was like perfectly executed. It was like. It like got into my psyche and, like, twisted everything around, you know?

Marianna: 00:03:21

Yeah, no, I feel that.

Kyle: 00:03:22

Yeah. It really. And we'll get to jump right into film history.

There's a lot of foundational stuff, like actual real experiences that led to the making of this movie. But I think there's two very simple things at play that make this movie very successful.

First of all, it's basically hanging its hand on the cornerstone of all natural fear. The boogeyman. Bad dreams.

Marianna: 00:03:42

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:03:42

It's like if you want to go to horror movie 101 or just I'm scared about life in general. Yeah, those are the things.

Marianna: 00:03:48

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:03:49

And then iconic, you know, iconic central figure to it. And it's kind of coming out in. In kind of in the middle of the evolution of the slasher. Right.

Marianna: 00:03:57

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:03:58

The slasher had weird elements. Like there's a couple of movies in the 60s and the 40s, like some international films. And then Psycho.

Marianna: 00:04:05

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:04:05

Halloween really is the one where everyone says to timestamp that the moment slasher.

Marianna: 00:04:09

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:04:10

Modern kind of came into the world.

Marianna: 00:04:11

Yeah. Friday the 13th came pretty shortly after that.

Kyle: 00:04:14

Yeah.

Marianna: 00:04:14

Still the 70s.

Kyle: 00:04:15

And then we get this loud, talking, freaking jokester slash, really menacing Freddy. Yeah. You know, and it's. It's wild, but, you know, there's a couple of experiences. So Wes Craven, one of the reasons. So he.

His star was rising was this.

Marianna: 00:04:29

I was about to say what. What other projects had he done before?

Kyle: 00:04:32

I believe the Hills had Hot Eyes and the Last House.

Marianna: 00:04:35

Hills were high.

Kyle: 00:04:36

The hills were high. Let me double check us out.

Marianna: 00:04:38

If our Last was Hills.

Kyle: 00:04:40

Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Seth: 00:04:41

These hills are high.

Kyle: 00:04:44

Yes. Yeah. I, I believe that the last. The hills had eyes. And the last house on the left had already come out. Let me.

Marianna: 00:04:51

So he was already doing horror before he did this?

Kyle: 00:04:55

Yes. And then Shocker. Oh, yeah. And this is where. So they call him the. The Prince of Horror or whatever.

That's his nickname, which I actually kind of detest a little bit. Yeah. The last house on the left came out in 72. Like, wow. Way before this one. The Hills have eyes in 77. Swamp Thing in 82.

Marianna: 00:05:10

Okay.

Kyle: 00:05:10

Yeah. And which a lot of people don't like Swamp Thing. I really like it.

Marianna: 00:05:14

It's still a pretty foundational monster movie.

Seth: 00:05:16

Yeah. It's hard to get funding for stuff like this back then though.

Kyle: 00:05:19

Yes.

Marianna: 00:05:19

Oh, yeah.

Kyle: 00:05:20

Yeah.

Seth: 00:05:20

I mean it took like year in sci fi. Anything weird was. It was really hard to get funding.

Marianna: 00:05:24

That's why it was really big in the indie scene, because it could look like. And still, if you had a decent story or if it was actually scary, like people would still come and watch it.

Kyle: 00:05:33

Yeah, yeah. And there was a story from his childhood.

He said he looked out his window and a man in a hat was just kind of standing there in front of his apartment and staring up and he like got real wide eyed and.

Marianna: 00:05:43

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:05:43

Freaked him out. He said it never left him. And there's all this stuff in the news about like this kid that was like having dreams. There was that element of it.

Like there was stuff in the news that was really inspiring. And so he's. His star is rising as a horror director and writer. So. And then the producer, the guy that founded New Line Cinema, Robert Shea.

Marianna: 00:06:01

Yeah. Okay.

Kyle: 00:06:01

He put all, he put all of his money on the line for this film and you know, they call it today. And I was joking with Seth before, he's such a Lord of the Rings fan.

Without this movie, there is not New Line Cinema, at least for Lord of the Rings because it's called, they call it the House that Freddy Built because basically what they say. There's an amazing documentary, top three movie documentary called Never Sleep Again.

It's I, I rank it second to Heart of Darkness, which is the documentary about Apocalypse Now. And then it's right above the one about Friday the 13th, which is also an incredible film documentary. But they talk about it like anytime.

New Line Cinema, and this is way before Lord of the Rings. Anytime they felt short of cash, they're like, can we get another Freddy out there? Because we know we're going to make Some bank.

Marianna: 00:06:40

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:06:41

And so that's part of the reason why there are so many of them.

Marianna: 00:06:44

That makes sense.

Kyle: 00:06:45

Yes. And so. But yeah, there's a lot of stuff behind this movie about, you know, kind of why, you know, they were. I think it's a $1.8 million budget and.

Yeah, those are some of the kind of foundational pieces of this film.

Marianna: 00:06:55

That makes sense, actually, because that. That would be still considered a kind of low budget for the. The 80s.

But it's just enough that that's why the special effects were as good as they were, but also low enough that you're not. You're not gonna get it. Jamie Lee Curtis, you're. You're. You're barely getting an introducing role for Johnny Depp.

Like, no one knew who he was at that time. So that makes a lot of sense.

Kyle: 00:07:19

Yeah.

Seth: 00:07:19

They almost had Charlie Sheen, though.

Kyle: 00:07:21

They did. Oh, he wanted 3,000 bucks a week.

Seth: 00:07:23

Yeah, they couldn. Him.

Marianna: 00:07:25

Yeah, yeah, it makes sense.

Kyle: 00:07:26

But he was a big deal.

Seth: 00:07:27

I think he would have taken away from it. Honestly, it worked out perfectly.

Marianna: 00:07:31

What's crazy is if. If a famous actor of that level asked for 3,000 a week, now I'd be like, done that easy.

Kyle: 00:07:37

Nothing that's easy with inflation, that's like 8 billion a week.

Marianna: 00:07:41

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:07:43

But. Yeah, no, you're so right. And there was a lot of. There was a lot of, like, cast, like the.

The guy that plays the sheriff, you know, her dad is the most, like, famous actor. And throughout the whole series, I think he was kind of miserable. He's in a lot of these movies. Yeah.

Marianna: 00:07:57

And I think so it keeps happening in that town.

Kyle: 00:07:59

Yeah.

Marianna: 00:07:59

Keeps getting involved. That's interesting.

Kyle: 00:08:01

It constantly comes back to Elm street and these parents, and they find ways. Dream warriors is. Is almost universally agreed upon not just to be the best, but one of the best horror movies ever made.

Marianna: 00:08:11

Okay.

Kyle: 00:08:11

But number three, Dream warriors, it takes it kind of to a different realm that.

Marianna: 00:08:16

It.

Kyle: 00:08:16

Like, it's this formula, but on steroids. And it's really good. It takes place in a mental facility. And so. And a lot of these kids are having dreams about Freddy in this facility.

And some of them are addicts. Some of them have all these different issues, and he's using that stuff that's cool against him.

Seth: 00:08:31

Seen that one.

Kyle: 00:08:32

So good.

Seth: 00:08:32

Oh, my goodness.

Kyle: 00:08:33

Number two is considered one of the worst ever made.

Seth: 00:08:36

Yeah, yeah, I watched. Yeah, I watched the documentary.

Kyle: 00:08:39

Yeah. It's also deemed like, a piece of homoerotic film history.

Marianna: 00:08:42

Oh, yes.

Kyle: 00:08:43

Yeah. But not on purpose. It just kind of turned out accidentally. Yeah.

Marianna: 00:08:48

We'll actually talk about this next week. But the same thing, in probably a different way kind of happened to the Babadook.

Kyle: 00:08:53

Yeah. I only got on surface level. I can't wait to hear that, because.

Marianna: 00:08:56

That'S a funny story.

Kyle: 00:08:57

Yes.

Marianna: 00:08:57

Yeah. Speaking of. Yeah. Next week we're doing the Babadook. Come back.

Kyle: 00:09:00

Babadook. Baba.

Marianna: 00:09:03

Baba.

Kyle: 00:09:05

It sounds like a didgeridoo baba.

Marianna: 00:09:08

Or like a Mongolian throat singer.

Seth: 00:09:11

Sounds like yoga.

Kyle: 00:09:12

Oh, that's really good.

Marianna: 00:09:13

Thank you.

Seth: 00:09:14

Feel like I'm in yoga.

Kyle: 00:09:15

Yeah. Yeah.

Seth: 00:09:18

I feel very relaxed. Boom.

Kyle: 00:09:21

I would say the biggest thing that I didn't mention was that the producer, Shay, didn't want to just be a financier. He's like, I'm putting my life on the line, all my money. And so he wanted to be very involved.

Marianna: 00:09:32

Okay.

Kyle: 00:09:32

So him and Wes Craven did. They had a lot of falling outs on set. They.

They went back and forth, but they both acknowledged in the documentary, at the end of the day, they both had equal stake. Yeah, because. Because for Craven, it was like, yes, the star was rising, but it wasn't so much so that he couldn't fall out of favor.

Seth: 00:09:48

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:09:48

And for Shea, it was like, all my money's on the line. I'm going to be involved. And ultimately, they both agree that it was for the betterment of the film.

Marianna: 00:09:55

I mean, I agree because, yeah, like I said, you've got plenty of other movies coming out around that time that just were not good. But when. Yeah.

When you're so dedicated that your entire life savings is put into this movie, you're going to sit there and make sure it's something people can watch.

Kyle: 00:10:09

Yeah. And another. Yeah, go ahead.

Seth: 00:10:11

Not to mention his house. You know, his house was on the line. And I feel like his suggestions for the movie did make it better. I liked their collaboration on it.

And I feel like sometimes producers do help the storyline because sometimes directors kind of get so.

Marianna: 00:10:24

Oh, yeah.

Seth: 00:10:25

In the weeds. It's hard to see it from, like, you know, the viewer's perspective.

Marianna: 00:10:30

100. The producer, director relationship is so important, which I feel like.

I feel like that's why Marvel was doing so good for those first 23 movies, because, yeah, you had a bunch of different producers, but Kevin Feige was the guy. And with every single director, he wanted to be as involved as he possibly could because he knew what the overarching vision was.

And I think, you see, between, like, the dceu at the time and everything Marvel was doing, you had a lot of different people on very different pages. We're even down to like between Aquaman and Justice League. They didn't talk.

So in Aquaman, they're all talking in water, as opposed to in Justice League. They make the air bubble around them so they can talk in air just because no one was communicating on what Atlantis was supposed to look like.

Kyle: 00:11:19

That's hilarious.

Marianna: 00:11:20

Yeah.

So when you have that one producer who has the overarching vision in mind and can reign the director in, or free the director up and be like, you're not going far enough. Go further. Let's see what we can do. That that relationship is so important.

Kyle: 00:11:34

And then there's other producers where their job is to do the coke. Yeah. And shit on all the people behind closed doors.

Seth: 00:11:41

Get the money. Yeah, yeah. Get the money. Shake the hands.

Kyle: 00:11:44

Yeah, yeah. And do the coke. Yeah.

Seth: 00:11:45

And do the.

Marianna: 00:11:46

Obviously mountains of coke.

Kyle: 00:11:48

Mountains of coke. That's actually the side name for this movie. Yeah.

And one of the funny things about some of the film history, now that I'm remembering, some of this stuff like Shay, Bob Shea was kind of the guy that pressed waste, Wes Craven, about how to cast Freddy Krueger. Because in his mind, I think Freddy Krueger was going to be an older guy and look older and have. But he was.

So he was naturally looking for older actors.

Marianna: 00:12:12

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:12:13

And what was funny for Wes. And he admits that he felt kind of stupid for this in retrospect, that he kind of was like, I don't know why I cared what the actor looked like.

We were gonna just do makeup. Yeah. And so. But Robert Englund star was rising because he was cast in a show called Van and he actually has more of a Shakespearean background.

But the show was taking off and so that's where he kind of got his. And I think Bob Shea was the guy that says, have you thought about Robert England? He's like, he's too young.

He's like, it's going to be makeup, a mask, like it doesn't matter.

Marianna: 00:12:40

Look older.

Kyle: 00:12:40

Do you really need a 60 year old guy?

Marianna: 00:12:42

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:12:42

So, like do this. And so that was. There was some of that, like you were talking about some of the decisions that were made. That was one of the really big ones.

Marianna: 00:12:49

Sometimes producers are a good thing.

Kyle: 00:12:51

And I would say England is probably one of the most beloved Comic Con.

Marianna: 00:12:56

Oh, yeah.

Kyle: 00:12:56

His.

Marianna: 00:12:57

I've heard nothing but good things about him from Comic Con.

Kyle: 00:13:00

He's incredible. And I almost got him on the show once. And he literally.

The only reason is because he was on the Comic Con Circuit just didn't have time to say, hey, reach out again a year later.

Seth: 00:13:09

Oh, my God, do it again.

Kyle: 00:13:10

I will. I'll try. He's apparently really nice, and he really loves the fandom. Like, you know how some people like Peter Weller, Like, I'm a big RoboCop fan.

Marianna: 00:13:17

And.

Kyle: 00:13:18

And Peter, well, recently has re. Embraced the RoboCop thing. But I think during the 90s, I think he got a little tired of it.

Marianna: 00:13:24

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:13:24

England's never been tired of it. Yeah. It's like, imagine, like, the guy who played Leprechaun.

Seth: 00:13:30

Oh, my God.

Kyle: 00:13:30

Can you imagine if he got tired of it? It's like, dude, like, you're lucky to have been leprechaun.

Seth: 00:13:35

All right.

Marianna: 00:13:35

Was that Timothy Oliphant? Timothy Oddmondson?

Kyle: 00:13:39

Is that a little person?

Marianna: 00:13:41

No, he's an actor.

Kyle: 00:13:42

I was talking about the Leprechaun.

Marianna: 00:13:43

Yeah, the movie. Yeah.

Kyle: 00:13:45

The leprechaun's played by a little person.

Marianna: 00:13:46

Okay. I haven't seen it. I know. I know that. Timothy Oddman.

Kyle: 00:13:49

I think it's Warwick. Warwick is his name.

Marianna: 00:13:51

I can't remember.

Kyle: 00:13:51

Davis, maybe.

Marianna: 00:13:53

Leprechaun, maybe. Okay.

Kyle: 00:13:54

I think it's Warwick something. War.

Marianna: 00:13:56

Yeah. Because he was in Willow and Star Wars.

Kyle: 00:13:57

Yes.

Marianna: 00:13:58

And Narnia.

Kyle: 00:13:58

I think it is him.

Seth: 00:13:59

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:13:59

Shout out to the leprechaun.

Marianna: 00:14:01

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:14:01

But, yeah, I love it when an actor fully embraces their thing. Like. Like, even though he's a Shakespearean trained actor, like, he's never in interviews. Like, oh, well, Freddy's below me. Yeah. You know, he's like.

He embraces it. Yeah.

Marianna: 00:14:11

And even though, like, Elijah Wood has gone on to do some crazy indie roles, he's always coming back to Lord of the Rings. He knows that this is what made him. He would have nothing else without Lord of the Rings, so why would he not embrace it?

Kyle: 00:14:23

Yeah. And I think it's a horror thing, too. I think you speak to this deeply because it's your genre. But Kane Hodder, too, who. Who's.

Even though he actually hasn't played the most Jason Voorhees characters, he's the most beloved.

Like, when they decided not to cast him for Freddy versus Jason, there was a huge outcry from the fan base, and he, in the documentary, was super pissed about it, too.

Marianna: 00:14:43

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:14:44

Like, do you think that's a thing? It's like, if you're going to do one of these kinds of movies, like, specifically this genre, sub genre of horror, that's got to be part of the game.

Seth: 00:14:53

Oh, yeah.

Kyle: 00:14:53

You got to be Ready to, like, be beloved and be at the Comic Cons and.

Seth: 00:14:57

Yeah, well, I mean, it's also. It's all the subtlety in the role itself. Like when they were talking about.

In the documentary about, like, Freddy and, like, how he walks and his stature and how he. He stands and just the little, like, poses and things. Like, then in the second movie, they got an extra to do it to be the guy.

Marianna: 00:15:15

Like, I just.

Seth: 00:15:16

I don't understand, like, why you. Unless you were saving so much money, like, I don't even understand how that you could justify that.

Kyle: 00:15:25

Yeah.

Seth: 00:15:25

Fans, honestly.

Kyle: 00:15:26

Yeah.

There was a big reckoning after to, like, they realized that there was something that they missed the mark on a lot of the things that people loved about the first.

Seth: 00:15:34

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:15:34

And so they.

Seth: 00:15:35

Seems insane.

Kyle: 00:15:36

They recalibrated.

Seth: 00:15:37

Yeah.

Marianna: 00:15:37

Was Bob Shea involved in two. In the ones afterwards, or was it. Was he just really with one?

Kyle: 00:15:42

He eventually did. I think he stayed with New Line because it was his company, but I do think he became less hands on. And eventually, I think. Is it four?

It's either four or five. But eventually Wes Craven starts to only write or produce, and he stops directing as well. Yeah. So, I mean.

Marianna: 00:15:59

Yeah, there comes a point where you've done. You've done four of them. You're just like, all right. Yeah, I'm told. I mean, that's why. Why Villeneuve is only doing three Dune movies.

Because he's like, yeah, there's like, seven books, but I just want to make three. I just want to do that. They can continue without me and use the style. That's fine. But, like, comes a point where you got to move on.

Kyle: 00:16:16

And.

Seth: 00:16:17

Yeah, he's like, I'm tired of saying.

Kyle: 00:16:18

Yeah, yeah, I'd be tired of it, too.

Marianna: 00:16:21

I don't like sand.

Kyle: 00:16:23

I've got sand in my boots.

Marianna: 00:16:24

It's coarse and irritating and sandy.

Kyle: 00:16:28

Well, and you have to chase. You have to chase the history down all the way through, you know, the late 90s, to kind of get a.

Or actually into the: 2000

Marianna: 00:16:45

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:16:45

Because he had the TV show. Oh, yeah, he had a TV show. Now he's. It's like. It's like almost like Tales of the Crypt.

Marianna: 00:16:51

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:16:52

He's not in them, but he, like, hosts them. Freddy does. He, like. It's not violent either. It's like PG 13. Yeah. There's a soundtrack.

Marianna: 00:16:59

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:16:59

There's a Freddy CD that he does. And it's like him rapping. It's Freddy literally rapping. There's why that's why. That's why.

When Wes Craven came back for New Nightmare, which is my favorite one.

Marianna: 00:17:13

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:17:14

But a lot of people hated it.

But it was one of the first, like, super meta movies because the people are playing like, Heather Langenkamp and Wes Craven and Robert England are also playing themselves in the movie. Have you seen it yet?

Marianna: 00:17:24

No.

Kyle: 00:17:25

It's all about, like, this is my.

Marianna: 00:17:27

First time seeing any of them.

Kyle: 00:17:28

Okay.

Seth: 00:17:28

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:17:29

It's all about, like, the foundational elements of making A Nightmare on Elm Street. And like, the whole.

The whole element of that movie is that, like, the movie takes on a life of its own and Freddy becomes real in their minds, but he. Freddy comes back to torture Wes Craven. And it's really good and it's amazing. It's really meta. It's super meta.

w this franchise go from this: 1984

Y get so far away from the horror element. Like, I could go off through numerous scenes of, like, Freddy's Dead.

Marianna: 00:18:12

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:18:13

But the one last thing I didn't say, that I did want to say is that there's something about these movies that I have a memory of. I wish I would have opened with this, but I don't know if you two felt this, but horror slasher film, specifically at the video store.

Like, my parents didn't care what I watched, but, you know, for some reason, we just never rented these. They literally did not care what I watched. It's a huge problem. But I remember I would always just run to the back of the store of block.

We had Aardvark video. That was our Springdale, Arkansas was Arthur.

Marianna: 00:18:42

The logo.

Kyle: 00:18:42

It was. It was an. It was an aardvark. Yeah, it looked like Arthur. Like a knockoff. Like, imagine a hillbilly drawing.

Marianna: 00:18:48

His name's Artie.

Kyle: 00:18:49

Artie. I would run to the back of the store and I would just look at the covers of Texas Chainsaw and all, but all like, Freddy's Dead.

I think it's the sixth one where it's like 3D movie cover and his claws out.

Marianna: 00:19:00

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:19:00

I just. I always just sit there and stare at it. I just run every time I go to the video stores. Like, I Want to watch this? That.

And so I have that kind of connection to these movies. Like just that mystery of, like, I can't watch these yet, but someday, yeah, I will. Yeah. And so huge connection to him for that.

But maybe you've been having a lot of nightmares.

Marianna: 00:19:18

Maybe you've been stalked by a man.

Kyle: 00:19:20

With knife fingers and dreams and slashes his nipple open and weird wormies come out. That's a problem. It's because you didn't listen to Movie Wars.

Marianna: 00:19:29

It's true.

Kyle: 00:19:29

And you didn't share it with your friends.

Marianna: 00:19:30

Yeah.

Seth: 00:19:31

Yeah. Old pepperoni face came and gotcha.

Kyle: 00:19:34

Yes.

Marianna: 00:19:34

Harrison Ford is offended for you.

Kyle: 00:19:36

Yes. Harrison back.

Seth: 00:19:38

Harrison's deciding if he wants to join us or not.

Marianna: 00:19:40

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:19:40

So if you don't want to die in your dreams and you don't want to watch Heather Langenkamp try to act anymore, then share Movie Wars.

Marianna: 00:19:47

Yes.

Kyle: 00:19:49

On to the rando. Oh, I had to really. I had to really focus because so many interesting things. So the most. One of the most interesting things to me about this.

You mentioned the poses earlier.

Seth: 00:20:01

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:20:02

What. What he says word for word in this documentary. Silence.

One of the things he says in the documentary is that after they built the glove and he put it on it, he said it had a weight to it. He said it was kind of heavy.

Seth: 00:20:14

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:20:14

And his. His disposition, he kind of, like, just naturally slouched.

Marianna: 00:20:17

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:20:18

And so he was like, kind of like a Western. And so he said the reason he walks around kind of like, leaning is because that weight. And he's also like, I kind of felt like a gunslinger.

Marianna: 00:20:27

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:20:27

And so he want claw to kind of feel like a holstered weapon.

Marianna: 00:20:31

That's cool.

Kyle: 00:20:31

So that's why, like, when he walks around, I just love it because you can watch a slasher movie, and if you watch, like, Michael Myers, I'm sure, like, the actors that played Michael Myers and Jason Voorhees had something going through their mind like, oh, I'm gonna do this. But this was the first slasher besides, like, Psycho, where there were actual acting choices that had to be made.

Marianna: 00:20:49

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:20:50

And there's all kinds of these things, but he wanted to feel like it was a Western with his pose.

Marianna: 00:20:54

I mean, that. That definitely makes sense. And it's like, there are things I could criticize just in.

In general about the portrayal of the character, but that was something I did notice, is that when he wasn't running, there was that kind of otherworldly weight pulling him down on the one side. And it definitely adds a layer that I Don't think people really understand, but subconsciously, if it wasn't there, you'd know something was off.

Kyle: 00:21:19

Yeah.

Seth: 00:21:20

I love that choice so much because it does remind me of Clint Eastwood.

Kyle: 00:21:23

Yeah.

Seth: 00:21:23

And I love old Westerns because, like, I don't know if anybody appreciates Westerns the way I do, but, like, it's.

Marianna: 00:21:30

All of my pictures as a child are me dressed up as a cowboy.

Seth: 00:21:33

Oh, my God.

Marianna: 00:21:34

Yeah. You talking. I'll find so cute.

Seth: 00:21:36

We'll insert them into the pocket. We could.

Marianna: 00:21:39

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:21:40

And one thing Craven said is, like, one thing they didn't know what they were getting into with. With hiring Robert England was they said he revels in being the villain. But, yeah, they didn't know that.

Like, they're like, oh, my God, like, he likes being Freddie. Yeah, he revels in it.

Seth: 00:21:54

Well, since I only seem to get cast as, like, a bad person, it is so much more fun to be a heel. That's a wrestling term. But I can imagine being the bad guy in a horror movie just being the most fun thing to do on Earth.

Marianna: 00:22:11

I mean, I feel like most actors want to play a memorable iconic villain at least once in their life.

Seth: 00:22:18

And it's the interesting character, too. It's the one with the problems. It's the one with the solutions. It's the one with the. You know, it's the good. It's the. It's the fun one.

Marianna: 00:22:28

I mean, even.

Even Christopher Lee, who was typecast most of the time as a villain, like when he auditioned for Lord of the Rings, he auditioned for Gandalf, and literally Peter Jackson was like, bro, I brought you in here because I wanted you to play Saruman. And he almost said, no.

Seth: 00:22:45

Oh, wow.

Marianna: 00:22:46

But then he was like, it, I've met Tolkien. Yes, I'll play. I'll play Saruman. I'm going to. I'm going to. I've met him. I'm going to be in this. Fine.

And he ended up saying it was probably the best, like, his favorite role he's ever played.

And it's like, even after getting typecast so many times and wanting to be the hero, he kind of just realized there is, in a lot of ways, more depth to being this flawed villain.

Kyle: 00:23:09

Yeah. You know, it's funny. You run it like we just covered Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, and there was some very real.

There's very real nature to Al Pacino when he's talking to Leo's character about, like, oh, that's what they start to do when your career is over. They start to make you the bad guy and the heel. And it's funny. There really is a decision you have to make.

And the person that we've covered recently that it worked out for the best was Denzel in Training Day. They did not want him to play that role. Like, the nc. Ncaa. Was it naacp?

Marianna: 00:23:38

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:23:38

They were like, no. Like, you're our. You're our good guy. Like, you. You know, you're our strong black. You're a role model. And he literally.

And during interviews, like, I'm do whatever I want to do.

Seth: 00:23:47

I'm.

Kyle: 00:23:47

Denzel was. Yeah. He says, if I want to play this, you know, and. But.

Marianna: 00:23:51

And then he won the Oscar.

Kyle: 00:23:52

Yeah, but there are some. Some. There are some actors that when they get into those roles, it is hard for the viewer to view them as a. Not bad guy. Yeah.

Seth: 00:24:02

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:24:02

And that happens. And so. But for England, it's not a problem. Yeah. He's like, I love this. Let's keep. Let's make 97 more of these.

Seth: 00:24:09

And he's so sweet in interviews, too. Like, he's just such a lovely person.

Kyle: 00:24:12

Cordial. Yeah. And when he's playing himself a new nightmare, he's real fun as himself because he's like. He's like. He basically. I don't want to spoil too much.

Since you haven't seen it, I recommend you watch it. It's really good.

Seth: 00:24:24

I'm gonna watch it tonight now.

Kyle: 00:24:25

But he's talking to Heather Langenkamp, and he's, like, truly frightened about, like, Freddy, like, in, like, the. Like, the space he's taken in his life as the character he plays, and he portrays that. Really? He's scared of his own character. Yeah, really well.

Seth: 00:24:37

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:24:37

It's so meta. It was meta before meta. This is a really wicked rando. So the guy that did the makeup for this movie, David Miller, does that name sound familiar?

Marianna: 00:24:48

Kind of.

Kyle: 00:24:48

He did the makeup for the thriller, Michael Jackson, which is probably in a lot of people's minds, maybe still the best music video ever made. Good. Just for its place in history. And the way that you said pepperoni face. This is. This is how he came up with Freddy Krueger.

He ordered a pizza, a pepperoni pizza, and he just starts, like, swirling around the toppings and messing around, and he actually made it. This is what he says. I didn't watch him do it. He's swirling around the ingredients. He literally shapes it, like, and he's like, yeah, that's Freddy.

Marianna: 00:25:21

See, mom, sometimes it is good to play with your food.

Kyle: 00:25:23

Play with your food. Yeah.

Marianna: 00:25:25

Create the most iconic horror character ever.

Kyle: 00:25:28

Yeah. If it was you. Third in the back, we see you. England's in makeup.

He literally gets a medical textbook and just starts flipping through third degree burn victims. He's like, this is what we're going to do to you. And he's just showing in England. Just like. Like he's not expecting it.

And Miller's just like, we're going to do this to you. And during the documentary, he shows him the book and it's just blisters and open wounds. And I'm just like, oh, this reminds.

Seth: 00:25:52

Me of my childhood, honestly.

Kyle: 00:25:53

Yeah.

Seth: 00:25:54

My dad, when he was a pathologist, so he would go to his office and he'd have skin cancer, like, out, like, off of people. And I'm like, this is probably what it looked like in the makeup. Okay.

Kyle: 00:26:05

Yeah.

Seth: 00:26:07

I wear a lot of sunscreen now.

Kyle: 00:26:09

Yeah. Yeah. The makeup over the course of the series gets more intense and it gets more Bernie and it's really wild. A new nightmare. Yeah.

Seth: 00:26:19

They changed the color of his eyes too, which I don't really appreciate. Yeah, I didn't like that.

Kyle: 00:26:23

I think it's interesting too, like, when he does the weird thing where he flips his shirt up and cuts his. His peck.

Seth: 00:26:28

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:26:28

There's no burns at all.

Seth: 00:26:30

Yeah. That was a weird choice.

Kyle: 00:26:33

It was.

Seth: 00:26:33

It was like he had like, it's a little enough.

Kyle: 00:26:35

It's soot, but no burns.

Marianna: 00:26:37

Huh.

Kyle: 00:26:37

Great nipples.

Seth: 00:26:39

It was such an interesting choice of where. Because honestly, I feel like he should have cut his entire chest open.

Kyle: 00:26:45

Yeah.

Marianna: 00:26:45

And honestly, there's probably money.

Seth: 00:26:48

Yeah, good point.

Kyle: 00:26:49

Yeah, there's a little. Yeah, yeah, I know. That's what I do when I make so much. Like, if I'm about to get in a bar fight, just.

Seth: 00:26:54

Yeah, just cut the nipple off. Don't fight back in Game of Thrones.

Kyle: 00:26:59

Back off, bro. I can inflict pain on myself. Yes.

Marianna: 00:27:03

They run away and you're just like.

Kyle: 00:27:06

I need seven stitches and a whole bottle of vodka. Last one. I love this rando because I.

Sometimes I think today, because we just kind of take it for granted because of the grandiosity of today's film environment. And, like the word. Grandiose. Yeah, like grandiose. It's. It's. It's crazy. But during this time, you know, it's.

You know, and this is why I love covering movies that are older because there's all these issues and production problems and they got to figure out how to use $1 million and stretch it out across the entire film. I love that. And so. But Johnny Depp's an unknown here. Yeah. Right. He's an.

Marianna: 00:27:42

Introducing Johnny Depp.

Kyle: 00:27:43

Introducing. Yeah. And. But Wes Craven doesn't want to cast him. They want Charlie Sheen. 3,000 or 3,000 bucks a week, which.

Marianna: 00:27:49

You can tell based on his hairstyle. They wanted Charlie Sheen. Yes.

Seth: 00:27:53

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:27:53

Speaking of Charlie Sheen right now, I'm gonna read his book on vacation next week.

Seth: 00:27:57

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:27:57

And I'm enjoying these interviews with him after he's. He's gotten back to normal, I guess.

Marianna: 00:28:02

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:28:03

Wow.

Marianna: 00:28:03

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:28:04

Yeah, wow. Like, I want to go back and watch all of his films now.

Seth: 00:28:06

What a character arc.

Kyle: 00:28:07

I know. I love that.

Marianna: 00:28:09

What a.

Seth: 00:28:09

What a story.

Kyle: 00:28:10

Cheering for you, Charlie.

Seth: 00:28:11

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:28:11

Good job, Tiger Blood. But the way Wes Craven decided.

And you may have seen this in the documentary, he walks up to his daughter because he's trying to get a gauge of, like, what the girls would want to see. See, you know, the teenage girls. He's like, he looks pale. He's sickly. And his daughter literally goes, no, he's beautiful. And he's like, johnny Depp.

Yeah.

Marianna: 00:28:33

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:28:33

And he's like, no, Johnny Depp is beautiful.

Marianna: 00:28:35

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:28:35

And she. He's like, what? And so that's how he made the decision. He literally thought he was pale, sickly, gross looking. And.

And I have a. I have a question for this later. But I'm just watching this and I'm asking myself, it's like, is this the future star? You know, it's like I'm trying to put myself. I'm trying to.

m like, going back in time to: 1984

I mean, we'll answer it, but this is wild. So anyway, those are the three most amazing randoms. But there. If you haven't watched Never Sleep Again. It's four hours.

I had to break it up in pieces. But it is. Even if you think the.

The other version of the other entries in this franchise are laughable, it's still worth it to know about the politics of New Line Cinema and the things in the. And the CD that came out.

Seth: 00:29:21

How they made the room.

Kyle: 00:29:23

Yes.

Seth: 00:29:23

The room with the blood.

Marianna: 00:29:24

That was insane.

Kyle: 00:29:25

Let's just talk about it then. Like, I. That's one of the ones I knocked off. They're for. And for you, filmmaker guy, like, they did a lot of crazy stuff that. Yeah.

The way they did the blood scene with Johnny Depp gets sucked into the bed. Is they. It was upside down.

Marianna: 00:29:41

Yeah, no, I gathered that. Yeah.

Kyle: 00:29:43

And I didn't notice it the first time, but then I watched the documentary and then I saw it because you can see the blood.

Marianna: 00:29:48

Oh, yeah.

Kyle: 00:29:49

Swirling away.

Marianna: 00:29:49

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kyle: 00:29:50

Someone got electrocuted though.

Marianna: 00:29:52

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Seth: 00:29:53

The guy that was pouring the blood because it was gallons and gallons and gallons and it hit the light because it was up. They turned the whole room upside down.

Kyle: 00:30:00

Yeah.

Seth: 00:30:00

And then the water started turning the root. Like it started.

Kyle: 00:30:04

Yeah, it started to tilt.

Marianna: 00:30:06

I did notice that because. Yeah, you watch it. And the water starts going. The blood starts going off to one direction. Because I mean.

So did they do the same thing when she goes up the wall and on the ceiling rotated? They're Danny K or I guess Fred Astaire dance. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

Seth: 00:30:21

That's exactly what they know. That's what they noted.

Marianna: 00:30:23

Yeah. No, there's so many. Good. Especially for the time. But even like some of that shit holds up today. Like. Like when he comes out of the wallpaper.

Seth: 00:30:32

Oh yeah.

Marianna: 00:30:33

He's like leaning over the bed and then goes right back in, like.

Kyle: 00:30:36

And then it comes out of the sheet.

Marianna: 00:30:37

Yeah, that was good. Or yeah. When even pulling her down in the bathtub was one of the most.

Obviously it's like I know how they did it, but it's like that was one of the most baffling moments for me was like. That was so seamless.

Seth: 00:30:52

I had such a visceral reaction to the bathtub scene. Like that was the scariest thing. I was like hyperventilating as she's like gasping for air.

Kyle: 00:31:00

Well, it's because it's a very real thing. So before being doxed, you know, was the biggest fear you could have in your life or having the wrong opinion online was the biggest fear.

Drowning in the bathtub was a very real thing. Oh yeah. They used to tell it was a thing like before you. Before we had all this other. To distract us. Like podcasts.

Seth: 00:31:17

Don't fall asleep following the wrong person.

Kyle: 00:31:20

Yeah. Not falling asleep in the tub was a very real thing. And like don't. Could you drown? And you know, and. And so it plays on that fear.

And that scene is so good. It's so good.

Seth: 00:31:29

It's terrifying.

Marianna: 00:31:29

Genuinely shocked there wasn't more nudity in this movie. Cuz.

Kyle: 00:31:33

Very tame for the time.

Marianna: 00:31:35

Like. Like both.

Seth: 00:31:36

Well, they're children, aren't they?

Marianna: 00:31:38

Still, even in like Friday the 13th, there's tits everywhere.

Seth: 00:31:41

Yeah, that's true.

Marianna: 00:31:42

And it's like for. For the slasher movie of the 70s and 80s, it's. I was very impressed that they didn't go that direction.

Kyle: 00:31:50

Halloween.

Marianna: 00:31:51

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:31:51

The original Halloween. Yeah.

Marianna: 00:31:52

Yeah. Lots of sex.

Seth: 00:31:53

Now, forget about that. Yeah.

Kyle: 00:31:55

Now Rob Zombie basically turned it into an orgy. But what are you going to say?

Seth: 00:31:59

Yeah, nothing.

Marianna: 00:32:00

I just.

Seth: 00:32:00

I like that they didn't do that.

Marianna: 00:32:02

Yeah.

Seth: 00:32:02

Because I love the main character in this movie so much. I'm obsessed with her, which I got.

Marianna: 00:32:07

To say, very bold move, introducing Tina as the main character and then ripping it around by killing her.

Seth: 00:32:14

I know. And I like. I. Oh, my God. This. That was the most fun part about watching the movies.

Kyle: 00:32:19

Yeah.

Seth: 00:32:20

She's not the main character.

Kyle: 00:32:21

Yeah.

Marianna: 00:32:22

Like that. That was such a twist for me. I was like, what? And then it's like, oh, no, actually, this is the main character.

Seth: 00:32:28

Yeah.

Marianna: 00:32:29

That was super cool.

Seth: 00:32:30

Yeah.

Marianna: 00:32:30

Lots of really cool subversion of expectations throughout this movie. And I think that's why I like it so much more, especially than Friday the 13th is. Even.

Even though I know that was kind of the first general, like, cabin in the woods situation that they'd kind of done, I guess Evil Dead might have come out around the same time. It just. Everything felt predictable about that story.

Seth: 00:32:51

Yeah.

Marianna: 00:32:51

Even now, 50 years later, 40 years later, this surprised me at every time, and I love it.

Seth: 00:33:00

They like. It was like the way that they even structured the movie, it's almost like it just kept putting you off. Like you were just off kilter the whole time.

No. Even little things, you know, I think that's why it was so successfully scary.

Kyle: 00:33:12

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Seth: 00:33:13

Despite, like, some things not being, you know, like the arms thing at the beginning.

Kyle: 00:33:18

Yes.

Seth: 00:33:19

That kind of. I was like, oh, no, this is going to be bad. Just because I feel like they could have.

I do have a theory that you could recut and rescore this movie and make it terrifying.

Kyle: 00:33:31

Yeah.

Marianna: 00:33:31

Oh, yeah.

Kyle: 00:33:32

You really could.

Marianna: 00:33:32

The score, I think, is the weakest part for me. Oh. I can't even get past the mid acting. The score is terrible.

Seth: 00:33:39

It dates it a lot.

Kyle: 00:33:40

Is it the. Is it the Freddy score or is it the electric guitars? Like, because really, every piece I just.

Marianna: 00:33:48

Did not like because they're.

Kyle: 00:33:49

They're. They show the composer making it, and when you just hear the intervals on the piano, it's creepy.

Seth: 00:33:54

I like that part.

Kyle: 00:33:55

Yeah.

Marianna: 00:33:56

I'll put it this way. If. If the same guy who had done the score for the thing had done this, I think it would have been.

Seth: 00:34:02

Oh, yeah.

Kyle: 00:34:03

Because.

Marianna: 00:34:03

Yeah, it's just. I don't know. I. I honestly think something a little off, like an electronic score in the 80s would have made this better.

Kyle: 00:34:11

Yeah.

Marianna: 00:34:11

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:34:12

I will say, though, the 80s, the 80s was so overwrought with that too.

Marianna: 00:34:18

Not by 82, though, you don't think so? That would have been at the beginning.

Kyle: 00:34:22

Yeah, I guess. I guess it felt like by 88, you were like. Everything was.

Marianna: 00:34:26

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:34:26

You know, like listening to like, she drives me crazy, you know, it's like.

Seth: 00:34:31

Like an organ.

Kyle: 00:34:32

Yeah. The questions, the question. Oh, these are gonna be fun.

Marianna: 00:34:36

Here we go.

Kyle: 00:34:37

So these are gonna sound. These are gonna feel like just cliche, but that's what this genre deserves. Who you taking?

Are we taking Jason, Michael, Freddy, Chucky, Candyman, or Leatherface?

Marianna: 00:34:51

So the. The only ones of those that I have seen involve Michael Myers, Freddy and Jason. And even the one I saw J or Freddy or Jason, it wasn't even in it.

Kyle: 00:35:00

Yeah.

Marianna: 00:35:00

So honestly, at this point, yeah, Freddy's actually the most terrifying of all of them for me. At least the ones I've seen. I don't know. There's just as scary as Michael Myers. The idea of him was. I don't think the execution was quite as good.

This. The idea of him being. To go into your, like, being able to go into your dreams, that.

That is the scary part because, yeah, it's like she was like, yeah, the record is 11 days. I'm at seven, so I'm fine. It's like. No, at some point, really, by day five, you're going crazy. You're actually going crazy.

She never would have had, like a sound enough mind to. To keep up with daily life like she was. So. Yeah, the idea of going to sleep and being attacked, that. That's worse for me.

Kyle: 00:35:45

Yeah.

Seth: 00:35:46

Yeah. Freddy's terrifying.

Marianna: 00:35:48

Yeah.

Seth: 00:35:48

Jason is also terrifying in Leatherface as well. But out of all of those, I think Freddy is the scariest.

Marianna: 00:35:54

Yeah.

Seth: 00:35:55

And I actually got to go to this haunted house in Alabama once where they could touch you. And I got like, taken by Freddie, like into this room and I was like 15 years old. Oh, my God.

Marianna: 00:36:07

I would have punched some people.

Seth: 00:36:08

Yeah, yeah. It was fun, but I can't remember the other. I feel like I missed one.

Kyle: 00:36:14

Voorhees, Michael Myers, Chucky, Candyman, Leatherface or Freddie.

Seth: 00:36:18

Oh, and I'd just like to point out Michael Myers I've never thought was scary and I've never found Halloween.

Marianna: 00:36:23

It's just an inside out. William Shatner movie mask.

Seth: 00:36:26

Yeah. Yeah. And then Candyman, I love.

Kyle: 00:36:29

Yes.

Seth: 00:36:29

I Was like. I don't know why.

Kyle: 00:36:31

A different take on the slasher thing. But those are very cerebral. You could. I guess you could toss into. We didn't say Pinhead.

Seth: 00:36:38

Oh, yeah, Pinhead's great.

Marianna: 00:36:40

Hellraiser.

Seth: 00:36:40

Pinhead's amazing.

Kyle: 00:36:41

Those are.

Seth: 00:36:42

That's a fun.

Kyle: 00:36:43

Those are horrifying.

Seth: 00:36:44

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:36:45

They're gorier than all these. Okay.

Seth: 00:36:46

No, it's real fun.

Kyle: 00:36:47

Like, it's disgusting.

Seth: 00:36:49

Yeah. Like, kind of Event Horizon. Yeah.

Kyle: 00:36:51

Okay. Yes.

Seth: 00:36:51

It's with the deleted scenes. Sorry.

Kyle: 00:36:55

Yes.

Seth: 00:36:55

When I get really excited, I get tongue tied.

Kyle: 00:36:57

I read the. I read the short novella, oh, my God. The Hellborn Heart. That's what it's based on.

Seth: 00:37:03

Oh, yeah, I have that.

Kyle: 00:37:04

Yeah.

Seth: 00:37:04

I haven't read.

Kyle: 00:37:05

You have a physical copy?

Seth: 00:37:06

Yeah, I do.

Kyle: 00:37:06

That would be awesome.

Seth: 00:37:07

I can bring it next time.

Kyle: 00:37:08

Oh, I would love to see that.

Seth: 00:37:09

I'll bring it.

Marianna: 00:37:10

Oh, yeah.

Seth: 00:37:10

I have it in my bookcase.

Kyle: 00:37:11

I struggle here because you've heard me be a movie snob. I don't know if you picked up on this about me, and it's something I struggle with about myself.

Marianna: 00:37:17

It's funny. You're a snob, but you have some of the worst taste in movies I've.

Kyle: 00:37:20

Ever seen on one hand.

Seth: 00:37:22

So do good movie people. Right.

Kyle: 00:37:24

We all have blind spots. What are your blind spots? Think about it. Like, I will.

I will preach about Taxi Driver to you and Good Fellas and There will Be Blood, and I will just, like, beat you over the head with those.

Marianna: 00:37:34

But then robocop's your favorite movie.

Kyle: 00:37:36

Yes. And then I will do an Arnold marathon twice a year. Or. Or I will just watch. Seriously, When October Comes, I have this thing. I will pick one of these.

Every year I pick a different one. I will just rewatch. Like, yet last year, I rewatched every Friday the 13th.

Seth: 00:37:50

Oh, my God.

Kyle: 00:37:51

I. I know it's weird, but we all have them. I think we all. And you can. I'm an easy target for it because I'm so vocal about it.

Seth: 00:37:58

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:37:59

So this is actually very hard for me because I actually. I can tell you the worst is Chucky.

Marianna: 00:38:03

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:38:04

I can tell you. And that's.

Marianna: 00:38:05

Sorry, Mark Hamill.

Seth: 00:38:06

You can kick him over.

Kyle: 00:38:07

Does he play the Voice?

Marianna: 00:38:07

Yeah.

Seth: 00:38:08

God.

Kyle: 00:38:08

His voice career is somehow more prolific than his acting career, actually, in so many ways.

Marianna: 00:38:14

His face was too well known as Luke Skywalker. He had to find other means to not be typ cast as different roles.

Kyle: 00:38:20

And hot take. If it wasn't for Heath Ledger, I think you could argue he's the best joker.

Marianna: 00:38:23

It's still Caesar Romero for me.

Kyle: 00:38:25

Yeah. Yeah. Really good.

Marianna: 00:38:26

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:38:27

Yeah.

Marianna: 00:38:27

That's why he's on my arm.

Kyle: 00:38:28

Chucky was great in one, but everything after the first. The first Child's Play movie is. Is a horrible check.

Marianna: 00:38:35

I didn't even watch the first Child's Play movie. I tried and it was so bad.

Kyle: 00:38:37

It's so. Yeah, well, it's. It's actually kind of creepy. I think it's creepy.

Marianna: 00:38:41

Creepy at all.

Seth: 00:38:42

I could see it being creepy.

Kyle: 00:38:43

It's. Here's the thing. I'm gonna go. We covered all the horai. The horrifying aspects. I'm gonna go to Lore for my answer, just to add some illumination.

Marianna: 00:38:50

Okay.

Kyle: 00:38:51

I think Freddy has the most consistent lore.

Marianna: 00:38:54

That's good to know because that. With a concept like that, it could get squirrely.

Kyle: 00:38:58

Yes, it does. And. And they do dance around it, but it always ties back to dreams and nightmares.

Marianna: 00:39:03

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:39:04

Jason, like, have you seen all the Friday the 13s?

Seth: 00:39:07

No.

Kyle: 00:39:08

Okay. Yeah, I've seen them all multiple times. They just like, literally came in.

Like, we're not gonna regard anything that's ever happened in this franchise. We just know Jason's scary as hell and he just kills people and he doesn't say anything.

Marianna: 00:39:19

Lovely.

Kyle: 00:39:20

So we're just gonna, like, maybe he is a zombie or maybe he's a. An entity or maybe like. And they just. And Michael Myers also has, like.

By the time they get to Michael Myers 6 or to Halloween 6, it's like, what, he's born of a cult. It's like he's now. He's now the bloodline of a. Of a Satanic.

Seth: 00:39:37

That's why I don't watch them.

Kyle: 00:39:38

Yeah. Yeah. Which was Paul Rudd's first film. Big film was my. I think it's five Halloween five or six. Really. He's really. He's really good at it.

Seth: 00:39:46

Okay.

Kyle: 00:39:46

And it's very. It's a very good one. It's horrible, but it's very violent and it's very good.

Marianna: 00:39:49

Nice.

Kyle: 00:39:49

I just said all the different things in the same sentence.

Seth: 00:39:51

Like, it's horrible and it's great.

Kyle: 00:39:53

I'm literally working this out in front of you, though. I think my favorite to watch on screen is. Is Jason.

Seth: 00:39:59

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:40:00

So I. I just enjoy his. His menacing, quiet. But I still think Freddy's lore is better. But Leatherface, to me, is the scariest.

Seth: 00:40:09

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:40:10

Because he's the most real. He's not. He's not like, you know, an entity. He's not like a ghost or an apparition. The dude, he's wearing other people's skin.

He's inbred, which makes him very close to me being in Arkansan.

Seth: 00:40:22

Yeah, yeah. We are in Alabama. Oh, my God.

Kyle: 00:40:24

Yeah. It's like, then it kind of feel like you watch this. Like, that could have happened.

Marianna: 00:40:27

No, no.

Seth: 00:40:27

Yeah. That's why I'm so scared of him, because I'm just like. I passed by places that remind. Like, that guy's somewhere.

Kyle: 00:40:34

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's hard to give a straight answer, but if I had to pick one, I do still think it probably is Freddie.

I just think we have an actor here that revels in it. I think they stay closest to the lore. He's not the most horrifying. He's not cerebral like the Candyman series. Like, that movie makes you think a lot.

Seth: 00:40:52

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:40:52

Where. Where Todd. What's his name? Tony. Todd plays him very almost poetic and Shakespearean.

I think we just get the most out of Freddy, so that's why I'm gonna say it. It's hard, though, because I like so many things about all these other ones. Michael Myers and Chucky are down on the list for me.

Seth: 00:41:06

Me.

Kyle: 00:41:06

Yeah, yeah, they're down on the list.

Seth: 00:41:08

I just feel like they're like the interpret. I don't know. They're like a weird interpretation of horror. It's almost like horror for children is what I think of it as.

It's like entry level horror.

Kyle: 00:41:17

Yeah.

Seth: 00:41:17

I don't want to. I just don't like it.

Kyle: 00:41:19

Yeah. And I think also you have to look at, like, where the violence occurs. Like, so much of Texas Chainsaw was off screen.

Seth: 00:41:24

Yeah. And that's where I feel like that's the best place for a lot of violence.

Marianna: 00:41:28

Oh, 100%. You. You hit a point where the gore is just. It takes away.

Kyle: 00:41:32

Yes.

Seth: 00:41:33

The noise of it.

Kyle: 00:41:34

abducts in Texas Chainsaw in: 1974

Marianna: 00:41:40

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:41:40

He pulls her in and then the door. The first thing. And then you just hear the screams. You're like.

Seth: 00:41:43

Yeah. Because your imagination is so much worse.

Marianna: 00:41:46

Oh, yeah.

Seth: 00:41:46

Seeing anything?

Marianna: 00:41:47

Oh, yep.

Kyle: 00:41:48

Yeah.

Seth: 00:41:48

And that's the cheapest thing you can do.

Marianna: 00:41:51

My first foray into anything. Horror as a lot of, you know, I grew up very sheltered and Christian. So the first movie I ever saw. Do you know who Frank Peretti is?

Kyle: 00:42:00

Yeah, yeah.

Marianna: 00:42:01

One of it was one of the movies based on one of his books. And I forget what it was called, but it was all about, like, Spiders.

Kyle: 00:42:08

Oh, wow.

Seth: 00:42:09

Arachnophobia.

Marianna: 00:42:10

No. But Leighton Meester was in it.

Kyle: 00:42:12

Oh, my God.

Seth: 00:42:13

I love her from Gossip Girl.

Marianna: 00:42:15

It is literally Christian horror.

Seth: 00:42:17

Oh, wow. I almost want to watch that just to see what it is.

Marianna: 00:42:21

A pastor friend of my dad's heard about. It was like Christian horror.

Kyle: 00:42:26

This is a fun category and this is a hard one.

I'm only going to leave it to two because based on my research, I think these are the two best to pit against each other because of their consistency in the franchise. Best final girl. Nancy or Laurie Strode from Halloween.

Marianna: 00:42:41

Jamie Lee Curtis.

Kyle: 00:42:42

Yeah.

Marianna: 00:42:43

As a character. I like Jamie Lee Curtis his character more. So I'm going to go with her.

Kyle: 00:42:47

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Seth: 00:42:49

Oh, Nancy.

Kyle: 00:42:50

Nancy.

Seth: 00:42:50

Oh, my God. When she pulls out the coffee maker. You kidding? I'm messing this up.

Kyle: 00:42:56

That's cool. Yeah. Are you? No, you're not messing this up.

Seth: 00:42:59

Am I messing up the characters?

Kyle: 00:43:00

No. She pulls out the coffee maker after she's trying to get a hold of Glenn.

Seth: 00:43:04

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:43:04

Because she's. She's foiled the plan together.

Seth: 00:43:07

Everything.

Kyle: 00:43:07

Right. And she needs her dad to come in 20 minutes after she wakes up to wrestle Freddy.

Marianna: 00:43:12

Right.

Kyle: 00:43:12

So she puts the coffee maker out to keep herself awake.

Marianna: 00:43:16

Okay. Right.

Kyle: 00:43:16

Yeah.

Seth: 00:43:17

Everything. Because I think, because she brings a lot of.

Kyle: 00:43:19

She.

Seth: 00:43:20

In the. In the documentary, she said she brings a lot of, like, who she was to the character.

And I felt that, like, as a. I guess she just reminds me a lot of me because she's just like this funny, like, very self starter. She's not bringing her mom into any of this fair, you know? And she's like, I'm just gonna do it myself and drink coffee until I'm dead. I guess.

Marianna: 00:43:37

I don't know. I think I just. Jamie Lee Curtis was such a better actor.

Kyle: 00:43:41

Yes.

Marianna: 00:43:41

In her role.

Seth: 00:43:42

Yeah.

Marianna: 00:43:42

And like, I didn't ever hate Jamie Lee Curtis. I hated Nancy for the first two thirds of this movie.

Kyle: 00:43:49

Yeah.

Marianna: 00:43:49

And then it wasn't until the end that I was like, okay, she's cool, but no. Yeah. For me it's Jimmy Lee Curtis. Okay.

Seth: 00:43:56

I guess I need to rewatch that too, because, you know, I don't know if I'm giving a straight answer.

Marianna: 00:43:59

She's definitely the best part of the movie. She's the best movie is better than the other one.

Kyle: 00:44:03

You took the words out of my mouth. I was gonna say those exact words. She is the reason I love Halloween. Her and John Carpenter.

Marianna: 00:44:08

Yeah.

Seth: 00:44:09

Okay. I feel that I need to re watch it. I don't feel like I'm Doing. I don't feel like I'm doing that question justice. Just.

Kyle: 00:44:14

You're knocking it out of the park, girl.

Marianna: 00:44:15

You're allowed to have your opinion. I'm trying.

Seth: 00:44:17

And I just. I just think Nancy would have been fun to hang out with. And she sounds like a good friend.

Kyle: 00:44:22

Yeah.

Seth: 00:44:23

And she has this really thick hair that, like, is just beautiful.

Kyle: 00:44:25

Yeah, no, she's. She is. No, she's cool. Yeah. I struggle with this, too, because, like, there are Nancy. Okay. Heather Langenkamp is not a good actress.

Seth: 00:44:34

No.

Kyle: 00:44:35

Okay.

Marianna: 00:44:36

This is love you, but love you.

Kyle: 00:44:39

And I also hear she's one of the sweetest. I'm sure she's right there with England. Like, she loves editing. Yeah. It could be. She loves.

Marianna: 00:44:46

Could be the ADR as well.

Seth: 00:44:48

Oh, yeah.

Kyle: 00:44:49

She absolutely embraces her character. Like, she's just like Robert England. She goes to Comic Cons and she's beloved. But there are. And it doesn't get better. She's in future entry.

She's in New Nightmare, and, like, it.

Marianna: 00:45:00

Just doesn't ever really get any better. Yeah.

Kyle: 00:45:02

It's hard because there are moments where I'm like, she is the best. Like, there are some scenes, like, I love it when she's in the broiler room, but there are other moments where, like, she's being asked to have more.

Marianna: 00:45:11

Did you just say broiler is a boiler? It is. Boiler.

Kyle: 00:45:15

Boiler.

Marianna: 00:45:15

They're not. A broiler is the thing at the top of your oven that gets set to, like, 500 degrees. Degrees.

Kyle: 00:45:20

I'm sure there was a Up. I'm sure there was a broiler in the boiler room because it was so hot.

Seth: 00:45:25

Yeah. I'm over here. Just like. Yeah, the broiler room.

Marianna: 00:45:30

Matt west would be very disappointed.

Kyle: 00:45:32

I have, like, four strokes an episode where I just say a random word.

Marianna: 00:45:35

Yeah.

Seth: 00:45:36

And I'm just, like, over here. Like, yeah, it's a word.

Kyle: 00:45:37

Here's the thing. I've been doing this for five years, and when you talk as much as I do, you're gonna just. You're gonna out some words.

Marianna: 00:45:44

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:45:44

They're not gonna make sense. It's just gonna happen. It's like.

Seth: 00:45:47

It's like this year, it's.

Kyle: 00:45:49

It's the dirty laundry.

Marianna: 00:45:50

I'm just.

Kyle: 00:45:51

My brain is just recalibrating.

Seth: 00:45:52

I feel that.

Kyle: 00:45:53

But back on the subject there, she's great in the boiler room. But there are moments where she's being asked. Like when she. When she's telling her dad, like, I'm okay. Like, after she goes in the room, like, after.

After the mom dies.

Marianna: 00:46:08

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:46:08

And she's like, I'm okay. Can I be alone? I'm like, like, that was horrible.

Marianna: 00:46:12

Yeah. Yeah.

Kyle: 00:46:13

There are just some unforgivable acting moments. Whereas I feel like Jamie Lee Curtis is acting. Yeah.

Marianna: 00:46:17

Show.

Seth: 00:46:17

Oh, Jamie Lee Curtis is an insanely good actress.

Kyle: 00:46:19

Yes.

Seth: 00:46:20

Yeah.

Marianna: 00:46:20

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:46:21

And she.

Marianna: 00:46:21

Even in Christmas with the Crank, she's fantastic.

Kyle: 00:46:24

Yes.

Seth: 00:46:24

Everything.

Marianna: 00:46:24

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:46:25

And, oh, my God, as off the rails as Halloween got, I mean, they. They just took every horrible turn. That's the closest he's ever gotten to me. They. As horrible. She was consistently good.

And Even in Halloween, H2O, which I think with LL Cool J has a horrible entry, she is still really fun. Yeah. Heather Lingen Camp, though, like, just still has moments where I'm like, really?

Seth: 00:46:45

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:46:45

Like, you couldn't do one more take? Just one more.

Marianna: 00:46:48

You know, but unfortunately, sometimes when you're using actual film, you really can't get one more take.

Seth: 00:46:53

Good point.

Kyle: 00:46:54

But like, you kind of said, I finished the movie. I'm like, I love her.

Seth: 00:46:58

I know.

Marianna: 00:46:58

It's.

Kyle: 00:46:59

I don't know why. I just still love her. I have such a big affinity for her in these movies, even though I acknowledge that so much of it is not good.

I know, but I still got to just give a slight edge to. To Laurie Strode.

Marianna: 00:47:10

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:47:10

Laurie Strode.

Seth: 00:47:11

I feel that. I get it.

Kyle: 00:47:12

Good.

Marianna: 00:47:13

Good value and effort, though.

Kyle: 00:47:14

Yes. Yeah. You're awesome.

Seth: 00:47:16

I feel the. I will say I don't like the Halloween movies, but Jamie Lee Curtis is not the reason why. She's the reason I would watch.

Kyle: 00:47:24

Yeah.

Marianna: 00:47:25

I mean, for me, weirdly, it is kind of the villain. Like, he is. Yeah, I get the idea. And maybe it's different with a lot of women watching it where.

Where you can kind of internalize that being stalked feeling, but it just. I don't know, it never resonated with me.

Seth: 00:47:39

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:47:39

Yeah. And there's a reason why I didn't add anyone from, like, Friday the 13th because they're different every time.

And a lot of people do love, love the first two. From the first two movies, they love the. The heroines. And then there's like, the High End, which is Sigourney Weaver.

Marianna: 00:47:52

Yeah.

Seth: 00:47:52

Like, wow.

Marianna: 00:47:53

But that, to me, that's a different. That's a different level of horror. That is A grade horror. This.

Kyle: 00:47:58

Yes.

Marianna: 00:47:58

Fits perfectly in that B grade sweet spot.

Kyle: 00:48:01

That's why I didn't put anybody. And there was just. In Texas Chainsaw, like, there's no consistent, like, we. I was Looking for consistent contributors in this genre. Yeah.

Best death in the movie. Who.

Marianna: 00:48:16

For me, it's. It's gonna be a tie between the first girl and Johnny Depp.

Kyle: 00:48:24

Yeah. Yeah.

Marianna: 00:48:25

Both of those scenes were fantastically done.

Kyle: 00:48:28

Really good.

Marianna: 00:48:28

Yeah. I was genuinely shocked by the hands coming up out of the bed.

Kyle: 00:48:34

You weren't expecting it?

Marianna: 00:48:35

Not at all. That was such a great moment for me. I. I literally remember when that happened. I just yelled out by myself in the house. That was cool.

Kyle: 00:48:43

Yeah. So it was.

Marianna: 00:48:45

No. Hundred percent. Yeah. It's a tie between those two.

Kyle: 00:48:48

Okay.

Seth: 00:48:49

As you were saying them, I was thinking both of those. So I'm going to choose when the mom dies.

Marianna: 00:48:54

Oh, okay.

Seth: 00:48:56

And they throw the COVID over her and then they sink.

Marianna: 00:48:59

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:48:59

Yeah.

Marianna: 00:49:00

That was crazy. That was. Well, very well done.

Seth: 00:49:02

Yeah, I've seen that scene and I forgot about it. And then I saw it again and I was like, what?

Marianna: 00:49:08

Yeah.

Seth: 00:49:08

Amazing.

Marianna: 00:49:09

So good.

Seth: 00:49:10

Wow.

Kyle: 00:49:10

Yeah. And it was shocking because it reminded you all of a sudden that he's. Yeah. The kids are just a pawn.

Marianna: 00:49:14

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:49:15

Yeah. Like, yes. Of course he wants to inflict pain by killing them, but he's after the parents. Yeah.

Seth: 00:49:18

And she's a murderer too.

Marianna: 00:49:20

Yeah.

Seth: 00:49:20

At the same time, you know, like, and I love the whole. We haven't even touched on, like, the fact that they're. The parents are vigilantes.

Marianna: 00:49:26

Oh, yeah.

Seth: 00:49:27

A group of vigilantes.

Kyle: 00:49:28

Yeah.

Seth: 00:49:29

To kill a. What is he. Was he a pedophile?

Kyle: 00:49:32

Yeah, but they said child murderer.

Marianna: 00:49:34

They never specified anything like that.

Kyle: 00:49:37

But what's funny is because. Because they've rewritten. Because they've re.

Released these movies so many times, when you look at the apple music description of this movie, they call him a pedophile. And even though they don't say it in the movie, it was always in the background.

And I think they felt like it would have pushed the apple cart really far.

Marianna: 00:49:54

Yeah. That probably would have brought it into like, in C17X rating territory.

Kyle: 00:49:59

And they open it up over the course. Like, they call him the. The son of either a thousand maniacs or 100 maniacs eventually because they.

They show that he was actually the product of like a nun being raped by all these insane asylum people. Like, they really pushed the lore. And then they opened then the child pedophile thing in the remake, which is one of the worst movies ever made.

Michael Bay's company remade it the same. The same company that made the Texas Chainsaw remake, which is actually pretty beloved. No, he. They just ride on the nose. Pedophile. Like, it's just.

And it's in your face. The whole remake, which is one of the reasons why it's also really bad. But. Yeah. So what do you think? Best death.

Marianna: 00:50:36

Oh, the mother.

Kyle: 00:50:37

Yeah, the mother.

Marianna: 00:50:38

Okay.

Kyle: 00:50:38

Yeah. Yeah, sorry. I do. I know it's cliche, but the Johnny Depp one, same as you. So good. First time I saw it. What's funny is you can find the outtake.

There's an outtake where originally they wanted him to come out of the bed.

Seth: 00:50:51

Yeah.

Marianna: 00:50:51

Oh, completely.

Kyle: 00:50:52

Yes. And he's drenched, but it's like all that blood and he's still just a whole body. He's a whole person. I thought he was, like, in a blender.

Seth: 00:50:59

I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kyle: 00:51:01

That would have made sense, but I. I didn't expect it. And when the blood starts coming out, it was just so original. Yeah. So shocking.

Marianna: 00:51:08

Yeah. That was shining, level craziness.

Kyle: 00:51:11

It was.

Seth: 00:51:11

It was the way it came out of the bed.

Marianna: 00:51:13

Yeah.

Seth: 00:51:14

I love that they turned the room upside down to do it.

Kyle: 00:51:17

Yeah. And it. And it really shows, too. Like, the. Though.

It's not really a critique, but one thing that makes these movies difficult to understand what's happening is the whole movie is filmed almost like a dream.

Marianna: 00:51:27

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:51:27

The actors and the characters are acting aloof. The parents. And it's partly by design. Like, the parents are supposed to be aloof because they're the ones that killed Freddy.

So they're kind of acting like, oh, nothing bad ever happens on the street ever.

Marianna: 00:51:37

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:51:38

Except when we killed the guy and threw him in the incinerator. You know, the pedophile guy. But other than that, it's a great neighborhood, good schools. The Zillow score is like a nine.

Marianna: 00:51:48

And walkability is like a nine and half.

Kyle: 00:51:51

A.

Marianna: 00:51:51

A half.

Kyle: 00:51:51

And there's a Jimmy John's. They're gonna open a Jimmy John. We killed Freddy. They're gonna open a Jimmy John's just down the street. Property value. Sorry, I went way off that.

But, yes, it's such a good. It's such a good. And. And that's something that sticks around in this series. They get cheesy throughout the series, but this, every.

This is something you can say that's true of every Freddy movie.

Seth: 00:52:13

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:52:14

There's gonna be a funny or interesting or unique. There's one.

I mean, I don't want to spoil too much, but there's one where the kid loves comic books, and Freddy turns them into a piece of comic book paper and cuts him, and he's cutting the comic Book. And so he's bleeding out color. I think it's five or six. And that's cool. There's just. Yeah, they don't always work.

Marianna: 00:52:36

Sure.

Kyle: 00:52:36

You love the effort.

Marianna: 00:52:37

Yeah.

Seth: 00:52:37

Yeah.

Marianna: 00:52:38

If the idea is there sometimes I can forgive the execution.

Kyle: 00:52:41

Absolutely.

Seth: 00:52:42

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:52:42

So anyway, that's my favorite death in a series. And this is, like, what you do when you talk about these movies. You talk about the death. Two more questions before we get to the closer.

Is Freddy more scary or more funny in this?

Marianna: 00:52:56

He's more scary.

Kyle: 00:52:57

Okay.

Marianna: 00:52:57

I can't speak for later entries, but for this, I. The. The humor was creepy.

Kyle: 00:53:04

Yeah.

Marianna: 00:53:04

So it's not that he was funny. It's that I could see him almost in, like, a joker position where he was making jokes because it's creepy.

Kyle: 00:53:12

I'm your boyfriend now.

Marianna: 00:53:13

Yeah. Yeah. Not. Not once did I get taken out of the movie because something was weird.

Kyle: 00:53:19

Yeah. What do you think?

Seth: 00:53:21

Okay. So for the first part of the movie, I thought he was very funny, and he actually reminded me. Did y' all watch all that when you were kids?

Kyle: 00:53:28

Yeah, on Nickelodeon.

Seth: 00:53:29

Do you remember the girl who played Ross Perot?

Marianna: 00:53:33

No, but that's amazing.

Kyle: 00:53:35

With the nose. Like, the nose. Yeah.

Seth: 00:53:36

So he reminded me of the girl who played Ross Perot at the very beginning of the movie because he's a little sillier. And then his voice changes throughout and gets. Gets. He gets really scary at the end, though, which I feel like is the reason why I couldn't sleep.

Kyle: 00:53:50

Gonna bleed you slow.

Seth: 00:53:51

Yeah. Yeah. And, like, I feel like I wish that they had made him a little bit. I honestly wish they hadn't shown him as much at the beginning.

Marianna: 00:53:57

Yeah.

Seth: 00:53:58

He would have been more scary.

Kyle: 00:53:59

Yeah.

Seth: 00:53:59

And the arms thing, I kind of think they should have just cut that or done it way.

Kyle: 00:54:06

Oh, that's my favorite scene.

Seth: 00:54:07

Really?

Kyle: 00:54:07

Oh, I love the arms.

Marianna: 00:54:08

Yeah. I'm kind of with you.

Seth: 00:54:09

It's just the. It's the. It's. Because I can tell it's fate. Is his body. You can just tell. So fake.

Kyle: 00:54:16

Yeah.

Marianna: 00:54:17

But it's also that dreamlike.

Kyle: 00:54:19

I.

Marianna: 00:54:20

Could it have been executed better? Yes.

Seth: 00:54:22

Okay.

Marianna: 00:54:22

That is one of those things that were. The idea overtook the execution for me.

Seth: 00:54:26

Okay.

Kyle: 00:54:26

And I think they're trying to show that he's a shape shifter.

Marianna: 00:54:28

Yeah.

Seth: 00:54:29

Okay.

Kyle: 00:54:29

And also, I get what you're saying. I think, too, they did. Was his face in the dark. Like, they kind of kept his face, like, not illuminated.

Marianna: 00:54:37

Only for, like, the first 20 minutes. Minutes, though.

Kyle: 00:54:38

Yeah.

Marianna: 00:54:39

Afterwards, it just all went into the Light.

Kyle: 00:54:41

Yeah.

Marianna: 00:54:42

Like you. I'm like, they could have waited longer.

Kyle: 00:54:44

Yeah, that's. You're right. They. They kind of get him in there early.

Marianna: 00:54:46

Yeah.

Seth: 00:54:47

Yeah.

Marianna: 00:54:47

They'd already had Jaws to learn from too.

Kyle: 00:54:49

Yeah.

Marianna: 00:54:50

There's no excuse.

Seth: 00:54:50

Right. That's what I kept mentioning was like, they don't have to show him.

Marianna: 00:54:53

Yeah.

Seth: 00:54:54

Like they could just be shadows and noises.

Marianna: 00:54:57

I wonder if they spent so much on the makeup. They felt like they had to. Yeah, that sometimes happens.

Seth: 00:55:02

Yeah, I get that.

Kyle: 00:55:03

And they had to pay to even consider Charlie Shane.

Marianna: 00:55:05

Well, I know that, like some people were mad at Nosferatu for not showing more of Count Orlok.

Kyle: 00:55:12

Oh, really? I still haven't seen the remake.

Marianna: 00:55:14

It's really fucking.

Kyle: 00:55:15

I'm waiting till we cover it.

Marianna: 00:55:16

Yeah. Which it's on the list for next year.

Kyle: 00:55:18

Yeah.

Marianna: 00:55:19

But for me, that was actually the scariest part of it was you only got glimpses and bits and pieces until like there was like one shot near the beginning, but it's so quick you can't even register what you're seeing. And then it's not till probably halfway through the movie that you. You see him because he's laying in.

Seth: 00:55:35

The coffin and he's a vampire, so he's fast and he shouldn't. You shouldn't see him.

Kyle: 00:55:39

Yeah. Yeah.

Marianna: 00:55:40

So. But like, I knew some people who were like, what an insult to the makeup department.

I'm like, no, they probably understood what the fuck was going to happen.

Kyle: 00:55:46

Oh, I'm sure they were ashamed to be working on an Eggers film.

Seth: 00:55:48

Yeah.

Marianna: 00:55:49

With one of the best looking vampires that's been put out in the last 50 years.

Kyle: 00:55:53

I can't wait to cover it.

Seth: 00:55:54

Yeah, they're like, they're like, I sent my invoice and yeah, he's a good.

Kyle: 00:55:58

So for me, he's a good balance here. I like the humor and like, it's crazy. It costs $5 to do the phone thing. Like, I love the phone.

Seth: 00:56:08

I think she took it home with her.

Kyle: 00:56:09

Yeah, that's great. $5. Yeah. Prop to do that. It's one of my favorite scenes, like when he looks her, licks her lips and says, I'm your boyfriend now.

Like, to me it was funny and creepy.

Marianna: 00:56:20

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:56:20

Like I was like. Like it was kind of both at the same time.

Marianna: 00:56:23

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:56:24

There are moments, there is a point in the series where he pretty much becomes. It's like 80, 20. He's 80% funny and sometimes scary.

But there's one like, I think Freddy, I just don't even remember registering him being scary, like, just like he was so laughable. He was so commercial and played out. And I think that's one of the reasons Wes Craven kind of backed off the series.

Like, it just took on such a hilarity.

Marianna: 00:56:47

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:56:48

That. That it just wasn't believable as a scary film anymore. Which is why he made Scream, because he was kind of like, this is my.

This is kind of my point of view on this genre. And almost made it meta and laughable.

Marianna: 00:56:58

Nice.

Kyle: 00:56:58

But this one, it's a good balance. Like, I think each line you could look at is comedic and creepy. Yeah.

Marianna: 00:57:03

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:57:04

And before we get to the closer of, we'll go to the three main. I'm going to stick to the mains. Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street, Halloween. Is this the best first entry?

Marianna: 00:57:15

Yes.

Kyle: 00:57:16

How come?

Marianna: 00:57:17

Friday the 13th, I just thought was a dog movie in general.

Kyle: 00:57:21

Yeah.

Marianna: 00:57:21

The fact that the villain isn't even in the movie really actually pissed me the. Off when I watched it last year. So not even Kevin Bacon could save that movie for me.

Kyle: 00:57:32

What do you mean? Like, because the villain, like Jason, he's.

Marianna: 00:57:36

Not in the movie.

Kyle: 00:57:37

Well, but you have to remember, though, when it came out, no one knew what Jason was going to become. That was a decision that was made after the first. Like, you're. I'm just telling you, you're thinking of it posthumously.

Marianna: 00:57:46

No, I'm not. Because I've never seen a single other one.

Kyle: 00:57:48

I know, but I'm just saying at the time that it came out, no one. No one had any idea that Jason existed.

Marianna: 00:57:53

Still would have pissed me off that.

Kyle: 00:57:55

The mom was the villain. So you're mad the mom is the villain? Yeah, because I'm just saying at that time, she was the villain.

No one knew Jason Voorhees was gonna wear a hockey mask and.

Marianna: 00:58:02

Yeah, that pissed me off. Okay, no, then I don't care about any other entry. I'm talking about that movie.

Specifically the fact that he is the one that is being referred to for the whole movie. And it turns out it's just the mom.

Kyle: 00:58:13

Okay.

Marianna: 00:58:14

Bullshit. That.

Kyle: 00:58:15

Okay.

Marianna: 00:58:15

Halloween was just overall boring as shit for me. The only good thing about the movie legitimately was Jamie Lee Curtis. The kids were annoying as shit. The. Her friends were annoying as shit.

Michael Myers was just there. Wasn't terrifying to me at all. Yeah, this hit the fun element, the scary element, the visual effects element.

Kyle: 00:58:36

Sure.

Marianna: 00:58:37

Even the worst acting was better than the acting in most of the. In the. In the other two movies for me. So now it's Hands down, this is way better than any of the other ones.

Kyle: 00:58:45

Yeah. What do you think?

Seth: 00:58:46

Yeah, Agreed. Oh, my God. Like, I feel like, what? But Halloween didn't do right with Michael Myers not being scary.

Like, Freddie got right because, like, he was creepy enough. And then the fact that he comes to you in your dreams. And I feel like there's all these elements that make it so real for everybody.

Marianna: 00:59:04

Yeah.

Seth: 00:59:05

That it actually. I don't know. It's just so. I don't know what the right word for it is. I was just so impressed with it.

Despite the acting being subpar, which usually bothers me a lot, and takes me very far out of the plot. Like, I was still very locked into it. So I think that's. That says a lot for how. Like.

Marianna: 00:59:25

Agreed.

Seth: 00:59:26

How well they executed the. At least the editing.

Kyle: 00:59:29

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. And I would eventually fall in love with the Friday the 13th franchise, but I'm. I'm with you for different reasons. I just.

I just didn't love the first one.

Marianna: 00:59:40

Yeah.

Kyle: 00:59:40

But once Jason starts to, like, get momentum, even though the lore is all over the place, once you eliminate caring about lore, it's just. They're just fun.

Marianna: 00:59:47

Honestly, Friday the 13th would have been saved for me if you think the mom's the villain. Right up until the last five minutes.

Kyle: 00:59:56

Yeah.

Marianna: 00:59:56

I didn't even need the whole movie of Jason. I needed that five minutes where you find out, no, she's actually protecting him from everyone.

Kyle: 01:00:04

Right.

Marianna: 01:00:05

And then he comes out and he kills the last person. That would have made that whole movie acceptable for me.

Kyle: 01:00:10

Yeah. And with Halloween, I agree. It's so funny how, like, when I rewatched, I bought the. And it's a really good 4k.

I mean, as a film lover, like, the history of Halloween is really interesting. And there's a great 4k with all this, like, a documentary, but it was more interesting than the movie itself.

Marianna: 01:00:26

Yeah.

Kyle: 01:00:26

Jamie Lee Curtis is great. And I. That is where they said all these other characters are going to be. Ding Bats.

Seth: 01:00:32

I just.

Kyle: 01:00:32

And that decision, like, that's my one thing is, like, even though it's kind of brainless fun, I'm like, I want someone to challenge.

Marianna: 01:00:38

Yeah.

Kyle: 01:00:38

Someone with a brain.

Marianna: 01:00:40

Well, like, from the first moment of this, I thought it was gonna be a. Oh, everyone's stupid, making the wrong decisions. Because that opening shot, after Freddy puts everything on the opening shot is the girl running away from an open door.

Kyle: 01:00:55

Yeah.

Marianna: 01:00:55

Into deeper and deeper and deeper. And every choice she makes, she goes deeper and deeper. And I'M like, oh, so this is just gonna be about morons?

But then I remembered, oh, wait, no, no, no.

Kyle: 01:01:05

This is a dream.

Marianna: 01:01:06

And in a dream, you make all the wrong decisions.

Kyle: 01:01:08

Yeah.

Marianna: 01:01:09

So it's like it made the wrong choices acceptable for me versus in Halloween. It's just like, why the. You going upstairs, go out the front door, go into the street, yell, and people will come and find you.

Kyle: 01:01:25

Yeah, yeah. The only dumb decision you can make in this movie is going to sleep.

Marianna: 01:01:28

Yeah, exactly.

Kyle: 01:01:29

And it's inevitable. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I don't know, man. I talk to people all the time that are just worship Halloween, and I get it. I get how important it is.

And I. I respect John Carpenter so much as a. As a composer and a writer and a director. I think he's fantastic. But I think people.

It's one instance where I think the nostalgia and the memory around it may be greater than the movie itself, which.

Marianna: 01:01:53

I will say it was the 70s. Serial killers were the big fear of the time.

Kyle: 01:01:58

Yes.

Marianna: 01:01:59

So I can get being immersed in all of that and the. The. The we behind someone like Ted Bundy or Jeffrey D. Or any of those situations, that was all new.

And so I get how that, in that moment might have been crazy. Scary doesn't live up the way nightmare does.

Kyle: 01:02:16

Yeah. And that was exactly why they made it. They made Halloween because of all that. Like, that. That paranoia is what drove them to.

Marianna: 01:02:22

Make it, which is why I still think it's better than Friday the 13th.

Seth: 01:02:25

Yeah, that makes sense to me. I also want to point out, whenever people that I know like Halloween as a movie, they're not usually horror movie people. People.

Kyle: 01:02:33

That's a good point.

Seth: 01:02:34

And I think it's because they like that. It's just scary enough for a regular.

Marianna: 01:02:38

Person, but it's not gross.

Seth: 01:02:39

Yeah.

Kyle: 01:02:40

Some of the kills are kind of gruesome, though.

Seth: 01:02:41

Yeah.

Kyle: 01:02:42

The hanger closet one.

Seth: 01:02:43

Oh, yeah. No, I mean, they. They go there, but it's still theater.

Marianna: 01:02:46

The mind.

Kyle: 01:02:47

True.

Marianna: 01:02:47

Yeah.

Seth: 01:02:48

So I think it's like, maybe that's what he was trying to do is, like, make it more for the mass.

Marianna: 01:02:52

Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

Kyle: 01:02:54

And so much of those movies happen in the darkness and. Yeah, but this is like Freddy's. He's in your dreams. So there's color. Yeah. And there's, you know, like, color. Yes.

And Michael Myers is always in the dark. And Jason's, like, randomly teleporting to wherever you are in the dark woods. Freddy's like, we're gonna do it in your dreams.

And the light in the boiler room, the broiler, wherever you are. And so, all right, closer here. Who won or who or what won the movie for you and who or what lost the movie for you?

Marianna: 01:03:23

What won the movie for me was the special effects.

Kyle: 01:03:26

Yeah.

Marianna: 01:03:26

100. That was the best part. And the thing that lost it for me was the music. The music is the only thing I would say. Just scrap it.

Put something else in there. And, yeah, sure would have been better, but the special effects were so fucking good.

Kyle: 01:03:39

So good.

Marianna: 01:03:40

Oh, my God.

Kyle: 01:03:41

Practical.

Seth: 01:03:41

Yeah.

Marianna: 01:03:42

So even the cartoonish stuff wasn't bad for the time.

Seth: 01:03:46

Yeah. Oh, my gosh. The blood room, like, that just won it completely for me.

Marianna: 01:03:51

The.

Seth: 01:03:51

The constructed blood room and the fact that the whole crew got like. Like, soaked in blood. That's amazing.

Marianna: 01:03:57

That's what you want when you work on a horror movie. You want to come out of there soaked in blood. Yeah, I love it.

Seth: 01:04:02

I love that. And then what? Lost. I mean, I don't want to say the same thing that you said, but the music was so bad.

Marianna: 01:04:07

It's okay. It's okay.

Kyle: 01:04:08

It's so weird.

Marianna: 01:04:08

That's the problem.

Kyle: 01:04:09

You love it so much. It's so weird to think the only thing that.

Marianna: 01:04:12

That it took me out of it. Yeah.

Seth: 01:04:14

That's what I hate. This is what I hate when I'm watching movies. Is that my. The hardest thing for me? And this is why I love horror movies, because.

Because it's the only time I can check out and really check into somewhere else, you know? And the music took me out so much.

Kyle: 01:04:26

Really?

Seth: 01:04:26

Yeah. And it dates it for me. That's what makes me feel like they're in the 80s more than the clothes or the hair or anything about the house. Yeah.

Kyle: 01:04:34

You know what won it for me? The music. I'm just kidding. No, I love.

Marianna: 01:04:37

Just proving my point about your taste.

Kyle: 01:04:40

And my age. I love the music.

Marianna: 01:04:42

You know who should have done the music? The Deftones.

Kyle: 01:04:45

The Deftones.

Marianna: 01:04:46

Bringing it back, y'. All.

Kyle: 01:04:47

The Deftones.

Seth: 01:04:48

I love the Deftones.

Kyle: 01:04:48

Deftones.

Marianna: 01:04:50

Careful. Don't say that. The Internet will destroy you for saying the Deftone.

Seth: 01:04:54

Deftones are great.

Kyle: 01:04:55

L. Deftones.

Marianna: 01:04:57

Yeah. He got lambasted for one of the Krogers. Yeah.

Kyle: 01:05:02

I can love. I can put the in front of any word that I want.

Marianna: 01:05:04

Yeah.

Kyle: 01:05:05

This is my podcast, the Krogers. I love the Nightmare on Elm Street.

Seth: 01:05:08

I go to the Kroger's all the time.

Kyle: 01:05:10

When you're from Arkansas, every store is plural. Walmarts.

Marianna: 01:05:13

Yeah.

Kyle: 01:05:13

Kroger's it's plural.

Marianna: 01:05:15

Yeah.

Kyle: 01:05:15

What won it for me is, I'm gonna say Robert England.

Marianna: 01:05:18

Okay.

Kyle: 01:05:18

I think. I just think this genre is still kind of new to people. I mean. 79. Halloween is kind of when it was born. And I think.

Marianna: 01:05:27

When did Friday the 13th come out?

Kyle: 01:05:28

80.

Marianna: 01:05:29

80. Okay. It felt like 75.

Kyle: 01:05:31

Yeah. I'll double check that.

Marianna: 01:05:32

That's how bad that movie was for me. I thought it was a mid-70s horror movie. Wow. Yeah.

Kyle: 01:05:37

Wow.

Seth: 01:05:37

Yeah.

Kyle: 01:05:38

It dated itself even so much. Yep. Original Friday the 13th was 80. And then Halloween. Just to make sure I'm good on that. 78. I was. Sorry I was one year off. 78.

I don't know why I said 79, but I just love that this genre was. It was reserved for quiet, stalking, voiceless people. And then here we're like, nah, we're going to talk, we're going to crack jokes.

And they cast the perfect guy. And even you can say anything you want about how bad the later entries are. He carries this franchise. He's beloved.

And I just think it was a huge risk to say no. We're going to have a joke cracking like murderer of children. And we're gonna somehow make you like him too.

Seth: 01:06:18

Yeah.

Kyle: 01:06:18

Like you can't help but kinda like.

Marianna: 01:06:19

I kinda like him.

Seth: 01:06:20

Yeah. I do kind of like him.

Kyle: 01:06:23

Yeah, you kind of like him.

Marianna: 01:06:24

Yeah.

Kyle: 01:06:24

Michael Myers. You're like, I don't like that.

Marianna: 01:06:25

No.

Kyle: 01:06:26

Jason Voorhees, like so violent.

Seth: 01:06:28

I know.

Marianna: 01:06:29

Side Note, I guess 78 may have actually been the birth of this genre. Cause I Spit on youn Grave came out the same year.

Kyle: 01:06:34

Oh, yeah.

Marianna: 01:06:35

Which I will never watch that movie again. That was horrible to watch. Incredibly well made movie. One of the best revenge stories I've ever seen.

Kyle: 01:06:43

Yeah.

Marianna: 01:06:43

Don't need to watch that one again. Yeah, that one was hard. But 78. Yeah. Same year.

Kyle: 01:06:48

Yeah. And what lost it for me? I'll say just the inconsistency of Heather Langenkamp.

Marianna: 01:06:53

Yeah.

Kyle: 01:06:54

I think she's a step above pretty much every other heroine though. Minus Jamie Lee Curtis and Friday the 13th. She's nowhere close to Sigourney on the scale.

Marianna: 01:07:01

Yeah, but again, that's a whole other level.

Kyle: 01:07:03

That's a whole other level. That's Ridley Scott level.

Marianna: 01:07:06

Yeah. But she put Sarah Connor up in that area.

Kyle: 01:07:09

Oh, Sarah Connor. Linda Hamilton's my girl. She's up there. She's right there with Sigourney.

Marianna: 01:07:13

Yeah.

Seth: 01:07:13

I want their arms. Arms, both arms.

Marianna: 01:07:17

Creatine.

Kyle: 01:07:20

But do you take Terminator Creatine. Yeah, it's really expensive. Yeah. James Cameron's seventh wife sells Terminator creatine.

Marianna: 01:07:28

There we go.

Kyle: 01:07:29

On the webs. But. But, yeah, I just. There were moments where I'm like, man, I think Heather Langenkamp might be the best heroine ever.

And then there's other moments where I'm like, oh, my God, I can't believe that made it to the final cut.

Marianna: 01:07:41

Yeah.

Kyle: 01:07:41

Yeah, but it's so weird. I just love her.

Marianna: 01:07:44

Yeah.

Kyle: 01:07:45

It doesn't matter. Even though she hurt some of her. Her lack of range, like. Like that scene where the mom dies. She's like, I'm okay. Just leave me alone.

I'm just like, oh, that was bad. Yeah. Your mom just got choked to death on fire by the guy that, you know, she killed. You're like, I'm fine. It's like, Heather, come on, man.

Marianna: 01:08:04

Granted, I do feel like in. To defend that moment specifically.

Kyle: 01:08:07

Yeah.

Marianna: 01:08:08

She knew he was still there. There.

Kyle: 01:08:09

Yep. And everything feels like a dream.

Marianna: 01:08:12

Yeah.

Kyle: 01:08:12

Like, I like you, just emotionally can't commit too much because everything's aloof.

Marianna: 01:08:16

I won't defend the acting per se, but I will defend the emotion of that moment where she knew he was still in the room.

Kyle: 01:08:22

Yeah. So. Yeah. All right. The war zone. Let's close this thing out. What do you say? Rapid fire. Each host goes through four categories all at one time.

It's going to be acting, directing, writing, and the film composition. Composition, we used to call it what's in front of us.

Marianna: 01:08:37

We're going to write it down. You should write it down on the. The screen.

Kyle: 01:08:40

It's the dining. It's everything mechanical. It's the graphics, it's the editing, it's the music. It's all the things that don't get.

Marianna: 01:08:45

Covered by everything you see and hear that isn't writing or acting.

Kyle: 01:08:49

Seth.

Marianna: 01:08:50

Acting. It's gonna be just. Just a barely squeak over. For me, it was fine. None of.

Other than Robert England, none of the performances really struck me as anything special. But also as bad as Heather. What was her name? Heather. Lincoln Camp.

Kyle: 01:09:08

Lincoln Camp.

Marianna: 01:09:09

Lincoln Camp. As bad as she could get at times, it wasn't bad enough for me to say it was terrible. So it's a squeak over for a. Yes.

For me, writing once again, I'll say a scotch over just a little bit above a squeak. It's. It's again, nothing crazy good, but nothing bad at all. Writing wise, the story holds up very well.

I appreciated how much the twists and turns really continuously surprised me. Directing. And I'll. I'll throw Bob Shea in there as well for. For producing. Like, you could tell. They both had as much as they could butt heads.

A shared vision of what needed to happen to make this movie good. And I think it really came through. You really see the passion from both of them coming through and making this such a beloved film composition.

That's where I think it is. It thrives. As bad as the music was, everything else overshadowed it for me. Special effects are incredible.

The cinematography was genuinely some of the best I've seen for this genre of horror movie before, especially for that time period. Yeah. All of it, the sets, everything just. Just pulled me into this world. So overall, it is a full queen sweep. Yes, for me.

But only two Scotches and Squeaks won the war. Yeah.

Seth: 01:10:25

I had to write down the categories to make sure that I cover them right. I just don't want them, and I want to keep them succinct, you know.

Kyle: 01:10:32

In a way, you're so principled.

Seth: 01:10:34

I try to be. I try not to waste people's time. The acting was very mid, despite. I love Nancy just, like, as a person.

I just feel like that, to me, makes the writing and the rest of it so much stronger because, like, they were barely doing their jobs. You know what I mean?

Kyle: 01:10:54

Yeah.

Seth: 01:10:55

Yeah. I think the writing was kind of amazing just in the fact that, I don't know, I liked how it all came together at the end, the directing.

I feel like I don't know how to separate all this out in my head. I don't know. I love. I love how it ended up at the end. So I feel like the directing was very, very strong, but I don't know how to. I don't know.

I feel like I'm better at talking about composition and stuff like that.

Marianna: 01:11:23

Well, then move on to it.

Seth: 01:11:24

We'll move on to.

Kyle: 01:11:25

The way I look at directing is just decision making. Like, the decisions that were made.

Seth: 01:11:29

I liked the decisions that were made.

Marianna: 01:11:31

You were.

Seth: 01:11:32

Yeah. I feel like there was a lot of strong decisions, especially in making it all dreamy.

Marianna: 01:11:36

Yeah.

Seth: 01:11:36

And then with the composition and the cinematography, like, that's what sold it the most for me. Like, I felt like I was in a fever dream the whole time.

And again, like, I can't tell you, when you told me that this was the movie we were watching, I was like, oh, no.

Marianna: 01:11:51

But.

Seth: 01:11:51

Because, like, I trust you as a person. I was like.

Marianna: 01:11:55

But I hadn't seen it either. I thought it. I thought it was gonna be one of the bad ones.

Seth: 01:11:59

Yeah. I was like, I'm gonna give it a try and I'm gonna, You know, and I don't like to judge things before I see them.

Marianna: 01:12:03

Yeah.

Seth: 01:12:04

I really don't. And I don't like to. I don't like. Yeah. But the cinematography and all that, that really brought it together for me.

Marianna: 01:12:10

So.

Seth: 01:12:10

Yeah. Fever Dream all the way.

Marianna: 01:12:12

Yeah.

Seth: 01:12:13

Is that all the categories?

Marianna: 01:12:14

Yeah.

Seth: 01:12:14

Okay, good.

Kyle: 01:12:15

Yeah. Crushed it. I am acting. Even though I complain about some of it, it. I'm never taken out.

Marianna: 01:12:22

Yeah.

Kyle: 01:12:22

Like there. We've covered movies on this Move, on this pod, this movie, on this podcast.

Marianna: 01:12:27

Where I'm like, we've covered podcasts on this movie.

Kyle: 01:12:29

We've covered. We've covered podcast on this radio. This Radio SiriusXM thing. I. It's funny. Even though I poke fun at it. It's part of the genre.

It's almost like you have to have some of the bad acting because that's what people enjoy about it.

Marianna: 01:12:44

Yeah.

Kyle: 01:12:45

I was never taken out. Even though I can poke fun at Heather, I love her. I love Nancy. I think Nancy's one of the greatest horror movie characters of all time.

So I give it a resounding, you know, for the genre. It crushed it in terms of. Of writing. I think it's written really well. I. I know going in, I'm not looking for Scorsese toward Tarantino level.

I know what I'm getting. If you walk into this and walk out saying, well, this is so horribly written. It's like you don't understand the John, the genre, the purpose.

You just don't get it. I think Freddie's lines and the balance of creepiness and comedy is so well done here. It's a resounding yes.

Directing Wes Craven, I disagree that he is the prince of horror, whatever they call him or whatever they've labeled in the past. I think outside of this and Scream, he's pretty inconsistent. I. The moment he tried to do drama, he did that music movie with Meryl Streep.

It was horrific. The moment he tried to do anything.

Marianna: 01:13:39

Did he do the A Star Is Born?

Kyle: 01:13:41

Not A Star Is Born. He did a. I'm trying to remember what it was called. He did the. Yeah, it was horrible.

Seth: 01:13:46

Mamma Mia.

Kyle: 01:13:46

Mamma Mia. The moment.

Marianna: 01:13:48

Mamma Mia.

Kyle: 01:13:49

No, no. She's just making a joke.

Seth: 01:13:52

Wouldn't that be insane?

Marianna: 01:13:54

Amazing.

Kyle: 01:13:55

That's so funny.

Marianna: 01:13:56

Like Joel Schumacher did. Did Phantom of the Opera. So, I mean, I wouldn't put it past certain directors.

Kyle: 01:14:00

Yes. But I. I do think here he's at his best. I. I think this is great. I think Scream is great.

And I think there are franchises where he really shines, and I think there's some stuff he's done that where he.

Marianna: 01:14:10

He.

Kyle: 01:14:10

He really drops off. But I think in terms of the decisions made with a limited budget, the partnership between him and Bob Shea, I give it a resounding.

This is fantastic piece of work as a director in terms of film composition. I probably have to go above what you guys said because I like the music.

Marianna: 01:14:27

Yeah.

Kyle: 01:14:27

The music's one of my. I love during the documentary, just watching the composer just kind of do the outline. Like, this is how I came up with it.

Just right hand up there in the upper register, just. And I'm like. I love that it's just Locrian mode.

But, you know, for those that don't know the Locrian mode, the seventh scale degree doesn't resolve, which. The first six modes, they all resolve, which is why the Locrian mode is actually a theoretical.

It doesn't actually exist in some people's mind as a scale degree. There's a little music theory for you. But anyway, it sounds like Locrian. Unresolved seventh.

Marianna: 01:14:59

Girlfriend's cat was named Locrian.

Kyle: 01:15:01

That's amazing. Yeah. Unresolved seventh. Go ahead.

Seth: 01:15:05

I feel like y' all just made that word up.

Marianna: 01:15:06

No, it's a real thing.

Kyle: 01:15:07

Yeah, it's the seventh. It's the seventh scale degree.

Marianna: 01:15:09

Yeah.

Kyle: 01:15:09

Amazing.

Marianna: 01:15:10

And.

Kyle: 01:15:10

Or the seventh mode. Google it. It's. It's a mode built on the seventh scale degree.

Marianna: 01:15:14

Yeah.

Kyle: 01:15:14

But anyway, I love the music, so I actually think whatever's above what you said is. Yes. It's a resounding.

Marianna: 01:15:21

You're in a ton.

Kyle: 01:15:22

A ton. Oh, yeah. I'm loving the effects, especially when you consider the budget. And there's no cgi. There's no claymation.

Future entries will have some claymation.

Marianna: 01:15:31

Very mild cartoon.

Kyle: 01:15:34

Very mild. Yeah. Yeah. There's some. Yeah.

Marianna: 01:15:35

Where it was necessary.

Kyle: 01:15:36

Where he fades out. Yeah. But I'm just loving it. I'm loving everything. Give me more. And, you know, if I'm saying this is the first entry, do I want to watch more?

The answer is, hell, yes. Give me more Freddy. So, wow.

Marianna: 01:15:47

This is all across the board.

Kyle: 01:15:50

Maybe it's a Dream on Elm Street.

Marianna: 01:15:52

Yeah.

Kyle: 01:15:52

Is really.

Marianna: 01:15:54

Come back next week. We're doing the Babadook, and we have some pretty great announcements to make for you guys that's going to be changing the future of Movie Wars.

So come back next week. We love you guys.

Kyle: 01:16:07

We're your boyfriend now.

Marianna: 01:16:08

Absolutely.

Kyle: 01:16:09

I'm Kyle.

Marianna: 01:16:09

I'm Seth.

Seth: 01:16:10

I'm Mariana.

Marianna: 01:16:11

See you next Movie Wars.