The Terminator
Terminated: Why James Cameron’s 1984 Masterpiece Still Rules
Ladies and gentlemen, we are back! Welcome to the official kickoff of Season Two. We’ve got a massive show to celebrate our new permanent third member, the incomparable Mariana Barksdale. Between Kyle’s new book and Mariana’s comedy and acting takeover, a lot has happened—but we’re putting the life updates on ice to scratch a major cinematic itch: The Terminator (1984).
In this episode, we’re breaking down why this $6.4 million "indie" film changed the action genre forever. From James Cameron’s fever-dream origins to the guerrilla filmmaking tactics used to get the shot in Mexico, we dive deep into the techno-war that birthed a franchise. We’re talking Arnold’s 16 iconic lines, the "Incompetent AI" theories, and why OJ Simpson was almost the T-800—until the studio thought he was "too nice" to be a killer.
Episode Timestamps
- [01:00:00] Season Two Premiere: Meet our new co-host, Mariana Barksdale.
- [01:01:17] Why The Terminator is still one of the most important films ever made.
- [01:03:41] Origin Story: James Cameron’s fever dream and the $1 rights deal.
- [01:05:17] Gorilla Filmmaking: Shooting without permits and lying to the police.
- [01:06:45] Practical Magic: The secrets of 1984 stop-motion and miniatures.
- [01:14:10] The Lawsuit: James Cameron vs. Harlan Ellison.
- [01:16:56] Rando Trivia: Arnold’s $1,300-per-word salary and the OJ Simpson casting that almost was.
- [01:21:59] The Legend of Linda Hamilton: From naive waitress to future badass.
- [01:24:43] The Questions: Is the phone book the Terminator's true nemesis?.
- [01:29:00] Romance or Stalker-coded? Debating Kyle Reese’s obsession.
- [01:37:05] The Closer: Winners, Losers, and the "Kenny G" version of the score.
- [01:43:46] Rapid Fire Warzone Scorecard: The final verdict on Season Two's first film.
Key Takeaways
- The $1,300 Word: Arnold Schwarzenegger had only 16 lines, totaling roughly 58 to 74 words.
- Practical Over CGI: The film relied on miniatures, claymation, and a 10,000-volt laser for the T-800's pistol.
- The OJ Theory: OJ Simpson was the studio’s first choice, but they feared he wasn't a "convincing killer".
- Precision Storytelling: We discuss why there isn't a single "fluff" scene you could cut—except maybe that awkward romance.
Transcript
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Speaker B:Ladies and gentlemen, we're back.
Speaker B:Season two.
Speaker B:We've never done seasons, but we are now.
Speaker B:And this is season two in our first show in an official capacity with our third member, Mariana Barksdale.
Speaker B:Ladies and gentlemen, one of my favorite people, one of the best comedians on the planet.
Speaker A:Just we got Kyle Castro over here too.
Speaker B:Kyle Castro, Yeah.
Speaker B:And Seth ks.
Speaker A:Boom, boom.
Speaker B:Ladies and gentlemen, it's hard to say all the things we are.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:A lot's happened over the last few months.
Speaker B:I'm.
Speaker B:I'm about to possibly publish my first book.
Speaker A:Hell yeah.
Speaker B:You've been doing comedy out the ass.
Speaker B:You've been acting.
Speaker C:I'm acting.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, crazy busy.
Speaker B:We took time off, but only from the pod.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Quick reminder, before we get into today's movie format, we do a little film history.
Speaker B:Talk about our feels on the film.
Speaker B:We do randos, which are the most interesting film trivia thing like that.
Speaker B:The questions which are made to generate comedic or serious banter.
Speaker B:And then we finish out with a rapid fire war zone scorecard.
Speaker A:Boom, boom.
Speaker B:How we each feel about it and today.
Speaker B:And I want to thank you after Snyder and all the things I once a year and old movie wars fans will not be surprised by this.
Speaker B:I get this itching to just do a speedrun of every Arnold and Sylvester Stallone movie ever.
Speaker B:I do it every year.
Speaker A:And I said, even that Sylvester Stallone porno.
Speaker B:Not that one.
Speaker B:Not.
Speaker B:Not Kitty and Studs.
Speaker B:I don't even think he remembers that one.
Speaker B:I think, or at least he pretends.
Speaker B:But I said, Seth, I'm.
Speaker B:I got that Terminator itch.
Speaker B:And it felt like a great way.
Speaker B:I mean, all you hear about is AI.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And people always associate with terminals like this is a great time to do what I consider to be one of the greatest films ever made.
Speaker B:It's in my top 10.
Speaker B:It's got Arnold in.
Speaker B:Is just.
Speaker B:I think it's one of the most important films ever made.
Speaker A:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker A:Especially for, for the indie sci fi scene in the 80s.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, I, I just, I cannot talk about this movie enough.
Speaker B:I mean, it was one of the few films that, I mean, so my dad, like we didn't have a great connection, but Arnold movies is how he connected.
Speaker B:He always had the Arnold gold gym poster on the wall.
Speaker B:And I just.
Speaker B:It has a lot of sentimental value for me.
Speaker A:I mean, I knew if he played Terminator he was proud of you.
Speaker A:But if he played Jingle all the Way, then he was really mad at you.
Speaker B:Yes, exactly.
Speaker B:Jingle all the Way was on that was, you know, there's.
Speaker B:There's Arnold and then there's like, almost I'm about to be a politician Arnold.
Speaker B:So all the movies coming up close to his governorship, he was intentionally.
Speaker B:And he was being coached to clean up.
Speaker B:That's why Terminator 3 is a PG13 movie.
Speaker A:Even though it's the one time they realized they could send a woman back in time and make her be naked.
Speaker C:The first time I've heard of Terminator 3, honestly, so.
Speaker A:Oh, really?
Speaker B:There are so many Terminator movies.
Speaker A:Five, six now.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Rise of the Machines is three.
Speaker B:Genesis, Dark Fate, Salvation.
Speaker A:Salvation, which is my personal favorite, actually.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then there's some animated stuff.
Speaker A:Oh, and the Sarah Connor Chronicles.
Speaker B:Sarah Connor Chronicles.
Speaker C:Oh, I would love that.
Speaker C:I love Sarah Connor.
Speaker A:Yeah, that was with Lena Heady, actually.
Speaker A:Sarah Connor.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah, I love Lena Heady.
Speaker A:She's so good.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I didn't really know much about Lena until we watched the Dread.
Speaker B:We did Dread.
Speaker B:And then I'm like, oh, she's everywhere.
Speaker A:Yeah, she's fantastic.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, this movie has an interesting origin.
Speaker B:You know, it's funny growing up, like, basically worshiping this movie and not realizing, like, I just kind of thought it was my movie.
Speaker B:It was like my special love.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, but it is.
Speaker B:It changed film in a lot of ways.
Speaker B:All of Cameron's contemporaries.
Speaker B:He talks about this at the time were.
Speaker B:Were making slasher films.
Speaker B:John Carpenter was his hero at the time with Halloween and some of the stuff he was doing with some futuristic sci fi with Escape from New York and things like that.
Speaker B:And the origins of this movie really are it.
Speaker B:It was going to be kind of a futuristic stalker film or a slasher film.
Speaker B:That was always kind of how they talked about it.
Speaker B:He would later rebuke that he didn't want it to be kind of associated with slasher.
Speaker A:It definitely has that vibe, though.
Speaker A:Like, you could kind of compare this to Nightmare on Elm Street.
Speaker A:Yeah, a little bit with that kind of feel like it definitely.
Speaker A:I wouldn't say it feels anything like.
Speaker A:What's the Jamie Lee Curtis one?
Speaker B:Halloween.
Speaker A:Halloween doesn't feel like that one at all.
Speaker A:But it definitely feels like kind of a other worldly slasher kind of film.
Speaker A:So that makes sense.
Speaker C:Totally.
Speaker B:Yeah, it totally has that vibe.
Speaker B:And it really started so he was.
Speaker B:Piranha 2 was.
Speaker B:James Cameron was directing that movie.
Speaker C:I read that it completely tanked and.
Speaker B:He was in Rome and he had a massive fever.
Speaker B:And out of this fever came a dream about a metal skeleton crawling out of a fire with kitchen knives.
Speaker B:And that was kind of how he says.
Speaker B:Anyway, we'll get into a little bit of the controversy later.
Speaker B:But that's how he says he conceived this film.
Speaker B:So he went out, tried to get funding for it, and the only way he was able to get funding and direct it was is he gave away his rights to the film to Gale Ann Hurd, who produced it.
Speaker B:But he said, I have to direct it.
Speaker B:But he forwent all royalties.
Speaker B:So he.
Speaker B:He's lost millions of dollars on the original Terminator.
Speaker A:Oh my God.
Speaker A:That's insane.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Damn.
Speaker B:And apparently when he was pitching this movie, like one of the ways he did it when he was pitching it to the production company was that Lance Einrichsen or Henriksen came in dressed like the Terminator with blood.
Speaker B:He kicked the door in during the pitch meeting.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And at one point Lance was going to be the Terminator.
Speaker A:What up, Sharks?
Speaker A:Do you want to get involved in a great movie?
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Ex.
Speaker B:You know, but that's so cool.
Speaker B:Like, I Like, this is like old Hollywood, right?
Speaker B:Like where you could do stuff like that.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's great.
Speaker B:You know, it had a very slim 6.4 million dollar budget.
Speaker B:In fact, there were some, like, because of the slim budget and this giant vision that he had there, there was some guerrilla filmmaking.
Speaker B:In fact, they lied about being UCLA students for the final scene in Mexico.
Speaker B:They lied about being.
Speaker B:And they weren't.
Speaker B:And they didn't have permits, but they shot it anyway.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, that's amazing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:See, this is why I do consider this to be truly an indie film.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Under $10 million.
Speaker A:Very clearly a shoestring budget.
Speaker A:And yet the concept was high enough that they only had to do a couple of kind of high budget things like the stop animation of the skeleton at the end, like the prosthetics and I'm pretty sure animatronics with Arnold when he's pulling out his eye and like those scenes where he's kind of repairing himself, like, damn, six and a half million dollars.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:That's insane.
Speaker B:Stop motion.
Speaker B:Mostly miniatures.
Speaker B:There's like 10 prolific sc that are miniatures.
Speaker B:Claymation stop motion.
Speaker B:In fact, the scene where.
Speaker B:Where the Terminator comes out of the fire and he's jittering like.
Speaker B:Like the audience actually loved it.
Speaker B:That's why they kept it.
Speaker B:But that was not.
Speaker B:Because that's how they designed it.
Speaker B: limitation of stop motion in: Speaker B:That's why it's jittering and it's got kind of almost a disco Ball.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Flair is.
Speaker B:Because they couldn't do much more than that.
Speaker A:But, I mean, that's the thing, is people were very used to that.
Speaker A:Like, stop motion really, really got started.
Speaker A:I mean, way back in the early days of filmmaking.
Speaker A: re doing it with King Kong in: Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:And as obviously as old as that looks like, you can really see the vision and the way they were manipulating the emotions of the character through straight up clay.
Speaker A:And then, like, Ray Harryhausen really developed it to a point where in Jason and Argonauts, sometimes it's.
Speaker A:It's hard to tell.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:That it's stop motion because it's so smooth.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I love stop motion so much.
Speaker C: but only because I've watched: Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And watch, like, how to do it all.
Speaker C:But, like, I love that technique because then it's real stuff.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:It doesn't take me out at all.
Speaker A:No, not at all.
Speaker A:The only time I really noticed it was in one of the future scenes when Kyle Reese and the girl he's with are running and the.
Speaker A:The robots behind them.
Speaker A:It's like you can tell that there was whatever a blue screen, black screen, whatever they were doing to get that front layer of the footage.
Speaker A:And then everything behind them was a miniature and it was squeezed together.
Speaker A:But I can't imagine at the time even beginning to imagine that's how it was done.
Speaker B:And it's funny.
Speaker B:Like, it's.
Speaker B:It's really easy, like in the age of cgi, to maybe look back and be dismissive of that stuff.
Speaker B:But people don't realize, like, they were at the top of their miniature game.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so many.
Speaker B:Like, that was the way.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:And so they had perfected it, which is why when you watch this, it still looks very to scale.
Speaker B:And, like, you wouldn't know if.
Speaker B:I wouldn't know if you didn't.
Speaker B:If you told me it was miniatures, I would have known.
Speaker B:I'm like, it just looks very convincing.
Speaker A:There are very few people utilizing it today.
Speaker A:Denis Villeneuve is definitely one because he.
Speaker A:He knew Ridley Scott did it on the original Blade Runner.
Speaker A: t most of the massive sets in: Speaker A:Like, a vast majority of what you see in that movie is actually real.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I told my wife because she walked in while I was watching the semi truck scene.
Speaker B:When Arnold tips it over, when it tips over, that becomes a miniature scene.
Speaker B:So she's like.
Speaker B:I was like, that's just a mini.
Speaker B:That's like one of Theo, my son.
Speaker B:That's one of his, like one of his semi truck toys just sliding across a board.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker B:She's like, no, I'm.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm serious.
Speaker A:It's crazy.
Speaker C:But you know what else I always think of when we're watching it on TVs that are like, you know, state of the art.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:It was made so long ago, like, the TVs that you were watching it on then it probably looked better.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, yeah, definitely on.
Speaker A:On those old TVs.
Speaker A:But you remember when it was in the theater, it was projected on film.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So it's crispy clear.
Speaker A:Like you could.
Speaker A:But I think that people were so used to the tricks and didn't necessarily realize the tricks were happening that it probably seemed blend.
Speaker A:Like could totally blend it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:You can see any difference.
Speaker C:We're so used to picking it out too, you know, and we're like, critical of, like, we do a movie podcast, you know.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:So I wonder if, like, regular people even think of it, you know?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think regular people are just like, I don't know.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't think I like it.
Speaker C:They're like, it's cool.
Speaker C:I like it.
Speaker C:It's awesome.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:That one has definitely stood the test of time.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And there's so many other, like, surrounding factors why this movie is pivotal.
Speaker B:Like, like the idea of a re.
Speaker B:Watchable movie, like, watchability.
Speaker B:It started with like, three movies.
Speaker B:A lot of.
Speaker B:I have my own theories on.
Speaker B:On how action movies evolved over time, but a lot of people that are in film will tell you that, like in the early 80s, first Blood, 48 Hours, and then Terminator, that three film skid is really what transitioned to us.
Speaker B:And what do we.
Speaker B:It gave birth to what would become Die hard and Terminator 2 and Point Break.
Speaker B:Like, it kind of started this new era because, like, action stars like Clint Eastwood and Charles Bronson.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Were kind of like 70s.
Speaker B:That was our action star.
Speaker B:But they weren't funny.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:They were just kind of like the stick in the mud action guys.
Speaker B:And Arnold comes along barely speaking English, you know, and.
Speaker B:And really, like, at the time for Arnold, like, if you're a Die Hard.
Speaker B:My favorite.
Speaker B:Love him.
Speaker B:My Die Hard Arnold fan.
Speaker B:Like, I am.
Speaker B:I have this movie to thank because before then he was still kind of considered.
Speaker B:He was Conan.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:He had done Hercules in New York and he had to have voiceover dubs and that because he still couldn't speak English enough.
Speaker B:In Hercules in New York, he.
Speaker B:But he was still, by and large, the Pumping Iron guy.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And by a lot of accounts, Pumping Iron, which is, funny enough, is considered maybe the best documentary of all time.
Speaker C:It's amazing.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And he's so charismatic in it.
Speaker B:He's messing with Lou Ferrigno the whole time.
Speaker B:That's like, the whole movie.
Speaker B:But then they flatten him out and put him in this role.
Speaker B:One of the best comments I heard in my research for Term Arnold and Terminator was like, he looks like how a robot from the future imagine a human looks.
Speaker C:Absolutely.
Speaker B:When you first see his face, you're like, he kind of looks like what a robot would imagine a human would look like.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, Definitely.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:That's exactly what my.
Speaker C:My husband's comment was.
Speaker C:He was just like, he's already a robot that came to Earth.
Speaker C:Use him.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I wonder.
Speaker A:I do wonder what kind of.
Speaker A:If he had gotten any plastic surgery at that point in time.
Speaker A:If it literally was just.
Speaker A:He was so devoid of fat that his entire body just, like, stretched his skin.
Speaker A:Because that was really.
Speaker A:The look of it was it looked like his skin had been stretched over his body to the point that it was just, like, absurdly smooth.
Speaker C:Well, that is what he looks like in Pumping Iron.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:Because I've watched that movie like, 100 times.
Speaker C:I love this movie.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's amazing.
Speaker B:Go out and Google.
Speaker B:So there's pictures that.
Speaker B:One of my favorite stories, and I won't go the whole thing, but he got kicked out of the Austrian military because he accidentally drove a tank through a wall.
Speaker C:Oh, no.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:But he is the Terminator.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And you can Google pictures and find old black and white photos of him from his days in the Austrian military.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Same face, just younger.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:But that chiseled jaw.
Speaker B:I mean, it's the same exact face.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Well, they didn't have packaged food to eat back then.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And, like, his diet was very.
Speaker C:If you watch the diet portion of Pumping Iron, I think you'd understand, like, all they ate was, like, chicken.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:He'd been those Austrian carnivore.
Speaker A:Goddamn.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:It was a lot of carnivore.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Broccoli, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah, Broccoli.
Speaker A:Maybe some rice.
Speaker C:Oh, maybe.
Speaker B:Maybe.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Steam, though.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, no salt.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Last few.
Speaker B:Really.
Speaker B:There's just so much great history on this film.
Speaker B:But yeah.
Speaker B:Anyway, going back to the rewatch ability, HBO came out in 82, and so HBO was the first to really like replay movies over and over again.
Speaker B:So First Blood, the Terminator, these were movies that, that came out at a time where HBO was becoming prevalent.
Speaker B:And so they're like just replaying these action movies.
Speaker B:So it's coming out in theaters and then it's like getting pumped over and over again, you know, into your, your box at home.
Speaker B:And so you're seeing the Terminator on.
Speaker B:On then.
Speaker B:So you talk about rewatch ability.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like that kind of began that part for the Terminator.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Lastly, the two more things.
Speaker B:James Cameron, kind of.
Speaker B:So when he wanted to deviate from this idea of the slasher film, he thought he was actually inventing a new genre and he called it technoir.
Speaker B:I've always called it pop sci fi because it's like deep sci fi isn't that accessible to everybody.
Speaker B:But this is.
Speaker B:Yeah, but he called it Techno War, which is funny because the bar that he goes into that and so.
Speaker B:Yeah, Anyway.
Speaker B:And it made 78.
Speaker B:3 million.3 million on that budget.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:Oh my God.
Speaker B:12 times the budget.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But there is a little bit of a shadow.
Speaker B:And I kind of alluded to this earlier, right.
Speaker B:He says the dream and I'm not saying he didn't, but there was a gigantic lawsuit.
Speaker B:Harlan Ellison, sci fi author, wrote the Outer Limits and.
Speaker B:And accused James Cameron of stealing the premise from the Outer Limits and heard.
Speaker A:Of the Outer Limits, but I have no idea what's about.
Speaker C:It's a TV show as well.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:It was made into a TV show later.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:How similar is it to this?
Speaker B:Well, I can't verify how do you.
Speaker B:Have you seen it?
Speaker C:No, I mean not this episode.
Speaker A:Not.
Speaker C:Not.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:Exactly what they're about.
Speaker C:Talking, talking about.
Speaker B:It's hard to verify from my perspective, but Cameron called him a parasite.
Speaker B:But here's what happened.
Speaker B:They settled financially and after every, every edition, like when they re released the vhs, the dvd, the Blu Ray, when you watch it streaming now, they all have credits to Harlan Ellison on the credits now.
Speaker C:Great.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:That was part of the settlement, which is weird.
Speaker B:It's weird because James Cameron, here's the thing, I love him.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:There's very few directors you can touch.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:In terms of action, set pieces, vastness of a story.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Maybe John McTiernan, that group, John Woo.
Speaker B:I guess there's a handful that can, maybe you can throw in, but they still don't touch Cameron.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But he's also not the nicest guy.
Speaker B:He's crabby as hell.
Speaker B:For them to settle tells me that maybe I just.
Speaker B:My Instinct.
Speaker B:Maybe he did.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Sounds like he read the book because he's not.
Speaker C:Sounds like he totally read the book.
Speaker B:He wouldn't give anybody an inch.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker A:But I also do know that especially since he sold the rights, the producer probably was like, dude, we're settling.
Speaker A:Like, I don't care if you did or didn't.
Speaker A:It's going to be so much more money for both of us to go through all of this than to just give him however much money and give him credit.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Like, I could.
Speaker A:I could definitely see that being a producer move just to be like, shut the up.
Speaker B:We're going to do this.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And they go ahead.
Speaker C:Well, I was say.
Speaker C:And then he goes on to produce, like the most money making movies in all of history.
Speaker C:Like, all of them.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:They already see their cash cow.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Aliens was being postulated.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:He wrote Rambo too.
Speaker B:Like, like, like things were happening.
Speaker B:After Terminator came out, Cameron became the busiest man in Hollywood.
Speaker A:Was Piranha 2 the first movie he ever directed?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Wildly enough.
Speaker A:Sometimes you got to do what you're hired to do.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Before we get to the randos, we got to do these again.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
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Speaker B:I got to color it.
Speaker B:I got to do.
Speaker B:I'm not good at it.
Speaker B:I'm not a colorist.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But I do it.
Speaker A:We want to pay someone else to do this shit.
Speaker A:So get us money.
Speaker C:And he has four children.
Speaker A:He does.
Speaker C:So he's raising the future.
Speaker A:And multiple dogs.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:He has two dogs.
Speaker B:And I'm.
Speaker B:I'm fixing to publish a book.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Help me give the man a break.
Speaker B:Help me God.
Speaker C:He should be doing other things like.
Speaker A:And subscribe.
Speaker B:Rando.
Speaker A:Randos.
Speaker B:Oh, it feels good to say that.
Speaker B:My chest just.
Speaker C:Oh, I know.
Speaker B:There's, there's, there.
Speaker B:People tend to say that Arnold only had 11 lines in this movie, but really he had 16 lines.
Speaker A:I thought it was 35.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:It's even less than I thought.
Speaker C:I thought he had like four.
Speaker B:It totals about 58 to 74 words around there somewhere.
Speaker A:Okay, that's probably what I was thinking.
Speaker B:Rough estimation.
Speaker B:His salary was $75,000, so.
Speaker B:Thirteen hundred dollars a word.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Nice.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so the funniest thing about it is that there was a huge dispute between him and James Cameron because Arnold is still learning English here.
Speaker B:He's still.
Speaker B:He's better than he was in Conan.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But he's still learning.
Speaker B:And so the I'll be back dispute was he.
Speaker B:Arnold didn't think that a machine would use a contraction, so he was.
Speaker B:He was trying to convince James Cameron to rewrite it as I will be back.
Speaker B:And Cameron being the crabby guy he was, even before anybody cared who he was, he was very crabby.
Speaker B:He said.
Speaker B:He shut him down and said, I don't tell you how to act.
Speaker B:You don't tell me how to write.
Speaker A:Which is hilarious because the director kind of tells you how to act.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, yeah, they do.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:They literally do.
Speaker C:That's like, almost all they do.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And I think what James was really saying is, like, you barely speak English.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, just because you have big muscles, I don't care, like, say it or leave.
Speaker A:Also, I'm pretty sure Chatbots uses contractions, so I think James Cameron won the argument ultimately.
Speaker C:Yeah, good point.
Speaker C:And I mean, how old was Arnold at the time?
Speaker C:Was he like.
Speaker C:He looks like he's 20.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Late 20s.
Speaker A:Probably think he's young.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:30.
Speaker B:Ish.
Speaker C:So he's like 30 and learning English for the first time.
Speaker C:It's like he's also like, bringing it into English, which is like the hardest language to learn too, so it's like, just let somebody else field this one.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:You know, but I mean, I think.
Speaker A:I think having the contraction there makes the line so much better.
Speaker C:So funny.
Speaker A:He was wrong.
Speaker A:Does not sound right.
Speaker A:It would not have become the iconic line that it's become.
Speaker C:I love Arnold, but he was wrong.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And those 16 lines are 16 lines that are both so scary but also funny.
Speaker B:Like, it's just.
Speaker B:There's.
Speaker B:They're just well placed.
Speaker A:Give me your clothes.
Speaker B:Yeah, you.
Speaker C:I left every time he talked.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And then, like when he starts moving his mouth and a female voice comes out.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, just so great.
Speaker C:Even better.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:This is one of the craziest ones.
Speaker B:So after they.
Speaker B:They moved on from Lance Henriksen pretty quick.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:The number one person to play the Terminator was O.J.
Speaker B:simpson.
Speaker C:I know, I forgot about that.
Speaker B:The studio said, though, he's just too nice.
Speaker B:He's just.
Speaker A:He's never murdered anybody.
Speaker B:He will, they said.
Speaker B:He will never be a convincing killer.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:I mean, they were right.
Speaker A:A lot of people don't think he did it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:Amazing.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:Funny.
Speaker A:Like, years just talk about people getting it wrong.
Speaker A:Like, everybody got something wrong on this one, it seems.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Years after the case, OJ Played the.
Speaker B:Well, what if I did do it?
Speaker B:And let's just say I did.
Speaker B:That was like.
Speaker B:That's his new shtick.
Speaker B:It's like.
Speaker A:Okay, yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:You're gonna love this one.
Speaker B:So the laser on the.
Speaker B:On his gun, like on his.
Speaker B:The pistol.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:That is not any kind of effect.
Speaker B:They actually hooked up a 10,000 Vol laser.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:So that.
Speaker B:Because he wanted it.
Speaker B:Cameron wanted it to be on film.
Speaker B:He wanted to show through dark.
Speaker B:He, like, he always wanted to be very.
Speaker B:So they had a bulky battery jacket that had to run through like he always.
Speaker A:And this in the future scene.
Speaker B:No, this is his.
Speaker B:His pistol that has the laser, you know, when he shoots the first Sarah Connor.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm the laser sight.
Speaker B:Yeah, the laser sight.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker C:Like, amazing.
Speaker B:It's very pronounced.
Speaker B:Like, I've used a laser on a.
Speaker B:On a gun before, and they're not that shiny.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's usually the green ones that are.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But that's incredible.
Speaker B:I love the idea of, like, having to have a battery jacket.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, there's so many times that you have to hide, like, big, bulky things just to get one, you know, practical thing to work that you're holding or wearing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's crazy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm pretty sure I don't remember what.
Speaker A:What film, but I'm pretty sure I've heard horror stories of someone's, like, battery pack setting on fire.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Or like.
Speaker A:Like when.
Speaker A:When Arnold played Mr.
Speaker A:Freeze, he had.
Speaker A:He had a light that went in his mouth and at one point, battery acid started leaking out of the light.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, that's actually really scary.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Like, crazy has happened with those types of effects.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:That's terrifying.
Speaker B:I forgot to mention this earlier.
Speaker B:Well, now while we're on casting, originally, Arnold was supposed to be Kyle Reese.
Speaker B:Oh, isn't that crazy?
Speaker A:Oh, that would have been awful.
Speaker B:Yeah, it would have been.
Speaker B:He would have had a lot of dialogue.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Linda Hamilton was like, no, I want to have sex with Arnold.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Linda.
Speaker C:Linda was the deciding factor.
Speaker B:Linda Hamilton's my girl.
Speaker B:I love her.
Speaker B:She doesn't get enough and she's a badass in T2.
Speaker A:She did such a great transition though from just like totally naive, innocent woman trying to struggle through life and just make a buck and get through to.
Speaker A:Oh, shit.
Speaker A:Now I actually have the weight of the universe on my shoulders.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:She's like the single mom of.
Speaker C:Of the future.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:That's such a good transition.
Speaker A:And I do, I do think it's funny how drastically her hairstyle changes between one and two.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, but all of.
Speaker A:All of like her, her roommate too.
Speaker A:Their hairstyles.
Speaker A:I just couldn't help but laugh when I watched it.
Speaker A:It was so funny.
Speaker C:Genius.
Speaker C:I would get rid of all of it too.
Speaker C:She's perfect.
Speaker C:Everything about her.
Speaker C:And she's made me want to do.
Speaker C:I mean, I can do pull ups now, but like I can.
Speaker C:She got me doing pull ups.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker B:Brutal.
Speaker B:She's the most brutal thing into.
Speaker B:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:When she smashes that guy on.
Speaker B:What is this called?
Speaker B:Your orbital bone?
Speaker B:Is that what it'.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:With the baton.
Speaker B:And she smashes the guy.
Speaker C:Yeah, but she really hurt him.
Speaker B:Yeah, she hurt him bad.
Speaker A:Leave a comment.
Speaker A:If y' all want us to do Terminator 2 at some point in the.
Speaker B:Answer is yes, we will do it.
Speaker B:You don't have to pull my leg.
Speaker B:This is the funniest and final rando there was supposed to be.
Speaker B:They want just even saying this out loud.
Speaker B:The studio originally thought that Kyle Reese should travel back in time with a robotic dog sidekick.
Speaker A:To.
Speaker B:To make this movie more kid friendly.
Speaker A:Studio executive.
Speaker A:And the pop.
Speaker B:If you ever wonder why executives get so much flack, it's.
Speaker A:It's ideas like that.
Speaker B:The least creative.
Speaker B:Stupid ideas.
Speaker B:Why don't we give them a dog also?
Speaker A:How are they going to do that on a six and a half million dollar budget?
Speaker A:Like what?
Speaker A:They were just going to spend like two years animating a dog.
Speaker B:Stop motion dog.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh my God.
Speaker B:And just the idea of him having to like tend to the robot.
Speaker B:Like think about every scene where he's running.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Or doing anything.
Speaker B:Imagine that now with a dog.
Speaker B:Yeah, A robot dog.
Speaker B:Like sneaking around the mall when he steals that trip when he's stealing clothes.
Speaker B:He's now doing that with a dog.
Speaker A:The noises the dog's feet would make as he's trying to sneak away from them.
Speaker A:He's like tiptoe.
Speaker A:Then you just hear.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:When they're under the bridge and Sarah Connor's putting the bandage on his hand.
Speaker B:Shut up, dog.
Speaker B:Trying to get healed up here.
Speaker A:Hus.
Speaker A:Making R2D2 noises.
Speaker C:I am picturing though, the dog from Black Mirror.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yes, from the a.m. like the warehouse that guards the warehouse but with a.
Speaker A:Head because it was the 80s.
Speaker A:They were going to put a dog head on.
Speaker B:But that's what the robots look like.
Speaker B:Yeah, they're making robot dogs.
Speaker B:Cuz Amazon was making robot delivery dogs and they scrapped it.
Speaker B:But they looked exactly like the Black Mirror dogs.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Cuz Black Mirror got those from Boston Dynamics.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Scary.
Speaker B:That's the scariest Black Mirror episode.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker C:It really is.
Speaker B:It's terrifying.
Speaker B:And it's in black and white, right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh my God.
Speaker C:That one and the one where they upload your brain and you have to pay to keep it online.
Speaker B:I didn't see that.
Speaker C:Don't watch it.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's the first episode of the new season.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker C:Just don't watch it.
Speaker B:They.
Speaker B:I mean, the new ones aren't as good, but they really nailed the tech phobia.
Speaker A:Oh, 100.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:The question, the question.
Speaker B:Oh, we got some good ones dialed up.
Speaker A:Here we go.
Speaker B:Is the Terminator's biggest nemesis.
Speaker B:The phone book.
Speaker B:Let's get, Let me get.
Speaker B:And again, this is, I think one of the greatest films ever made.
Speaker B:It's top 10.
Speaker B:I. I have no qualms.
Speaker B:I love it.
Speaker B:But I was watching it this time thinking the future.
Speaker B:This giant AI self intelligent machine.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Dials up a technology to send this assassin back in time.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But he gets in the phone book and has to go through every.
Speaker B:He doesn't have any clue where she lives.
Speaker A:I mean, they talked about that.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's brought up in the movie.
Speaker A:Kyle like specifically said that all of her records had been destroyed.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So they only knew her first and last name in the city.
Speaker A:She grew like she lived in.
Speaker B:It's just hard to believe.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, and him having to like kill a bunch of other Sarah Connors.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:Okay, so think about this though.
Speaker A:In theory, that whole situation probably would have happened in the late 80s, early 90s when Skynet became a thing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So with that everything was still on paper.
Speaker B:That's true.
Speaker A:And when you start to blow up buildings, you.
Speaker A:You burn the paper.
Speaker B:That's true.
Speaker A:So I don't know.
Speaker A:Nothing had been digitized by then, so it actually kind of makes sense.
Speaker C:Okay, good points.
Speaker C:I have no nothing to add except I wish that they had written this with the Asimov, like Robot Rules.
Speaker C:Because I'm like, he shouldn't have Killed the other Sarah Connor.
Speaker C:Should he.
Speaker C:You know, they should have lived.
Speaker C:He should have verified their identity.
Speaker B:I know especially.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That first Sarah Connor, man.
Speaker B:I mean what did she.
Speaker B:I know, but I'm pretty sure Kyle.
Speaker A:Reese had the only pict of her.
Speaker C:Oh God.
Speaker A:Like, like they didn't know what she looked like.
Speaker A:They didn't.
Speaker A:All they knew was her name was Sarah Connor.
Speaker A:Didn't know her middle name.
Speaker A:Like they literally said that in the movie as well.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Makes sense.
Speaker A:And, and I like them including that little detail in when the, the sheriff is or the detective is like walking through the press conference where they're like.
Speaker A:Did you notice that it's in the same order of the, the, the names in the phone book?
Speaker B:Oh yeah.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I think, I think they, they, they explained that pretty well.
Speaker B:Yeah, they did.
Speaker B:I just, I just kind of think it's funny because.
Speaker B:Probably because we have the benefit of knowing what AI actually is and how.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's built on.
Speaker B:In public information.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But also.
Speaker A:Yeah, but that's the thing is we live in a digital age.
Speaker A:AI couldn't have existed 40 years ago because nothing was online.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:This is true.
Speaker C:And if it all gets wiped out, you're right.
Speaker C:There's not going to be any paper records.
Speaker A:But also if you think about it necessarily, if, if the road.
Speaker A:Let's say this happens today.
Speaker A:If the robots are doing stuff that's going to level buildings, you're talking probably nuclear level explosions which EMPs coming off of that, which is wipe all the data off the servers.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, good point.
Speaker A:So I mean there's a lot of.
Speaker A:I think there's a lot of reasons why it could have happened.
Speaker B:Let me.
Speaker B:Okay now let me spin this from a filmmaking perspective.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Thank God he didn't get sent back to kill someone.
Speaker B:Name John Adams.
Speaker B:Oh yeah.
Speaker B:Or someone.
Speaker B:Jim Johnson.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because how many Jim Johnson's.
Speaker B:Because he was John Smith.
Speaker B:He was just going down the list.
Speaker B:I mean how many Jim Johnson's would he have had to go through to get to.
Speaker B:I mean that would have been a 14 hour movie.
Speaker A:What a, what a great like comedy movie that would be.
Speaker C:That would be an amazing comedy sketch.
Speaker C:Yeah, I want to do that sketch.
Speaker A:Let's do it.
Speaker A:But he's.
Speaker B:Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker B:He's just a cyborg.
Speaker B:So he's just systematic.
Speaker B:He's.
Speaker B:He's not going to ask any questions.
Speaker B:Like I'm just going to go through every Jim Johnson.
Speaker B:I'm on number seven.
Speaker B:It's LA so he's like, I'm on number 753 and I'm just going to keep going.
Speaker A:Like every variation James Jim.
Speaker C:Page 12 of the Jim Johnson.
Speaker B:And some people in the phone book had their middle initial, right?
Speaker B:And so it was like if he got to a Jim A. Johnson, Jim A.
Speaker B:Like every Jim A.
Speaker B:It's like, that would be a hell of a movie.
Speaker C:That's a good movie.
Speaker C:I would watch that.
Speaker B:Yeah, let's make a skit.
Speaker C:That would be great.
Speaker A:He does like 20 of them and then the police call every Jim James Jack Johnson in the city into like the fucking forum.
Speaker A:And he knows it's gonna happen and just blows up the Forum.
Speaker B:Yeah, a Jim Johnson forum.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:And then.
Speaker C:But most of them don't.
Speaker C:Like, some of them are just like, no, I'm not gonna go to that.
Speaker C:Why would I go to that?
Speaker C:And then he has to go hunt them down.
Speaker C:And that's the movie.
Speaker B:The most common name.
Speaker C:Adam Smith.
Speaker A:What a great title though.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B: Dean the most common name in: Speaker B:How do we feel about Kyle Reese, quote unquote, falling in love with a photo of a woman he's never met and traveling back through time to find her?
Speaker B:Is this romantic or is it.
Speaker B:This is what the kids are saying.
Speaker B:Stalker coded.
Speaker A:He's hot, so it's.
Speaker A:It's obviously romantic.
Speaker B:He's hot.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:If he was ugly, then it would be stalker.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:Yeah, agreed.
Speaker A:That's the rules.
Speaker C:He's on.
Speaker C:He's allowed to do it.
Speaker A:He's got scars.
Speaker C:She was also into him, so it wasn't weird.
Speaker C:But also, I will say, like, in the future where he lives, how much romance or love could exist in a word world where you're just fighting for your existence?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, yeah.
Speaker C:So I feel like you could fall in love with just a photograph and you're like, this is it.
Speaker B:Yeah, sure.
Speaker A:Also, it's Linda Hamilton.
Speaker C:It's Linda Hamilton.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker A:Like, who's not following?
Speaker B:I know the Linda Hamilton.
Speaker B:Yes, yes.
Speaker C:There are no other.
Speaker C:Oh, actually there is.
Speaker C:She has a twin sister.
Speaker C:I didn't know that.
Speaker C:Know.
Speaker B:She's a twin sister and her twin did.
Speaker B:Didn't her twin do stunts?
Speaker B:What did her twin do in Tattoo?
Speaker B:Her twin does some.
Speaker B:Did something with her in one of the Terminator films.
Speaker C:I can't remember.
Speaker C:But that's so cool.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Very cool.
Speaker B:But yeah.
Speaker B:It's funny when I was writing this question, like, you know, I don't.
Speaker B:I don't agree.
Speaker B:Like, I don't think that is the sentiment, but sometimes, like, can you watch, like, it is a tad.
Speaker B:Just a little creepy.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker C:A little creepy.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker C:It didn't bother me enough.
Speaker A:It's not enough.
Speaker C:It didn't bother me.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And we didn't, we don't know if John knew.
Speaker B:Like, like, we don't know if he kn.
Speaker B:That, you know, she was gonna, he was gonna, this guy was gonna fall.
Speaker A:He does know, though, and it actually is confirmed in Terminator Salvation.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker A:Because he's listening to the tapes that she made at the end of the first movie through the second movie.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:So actually, no, he, he, he realized, like, he had to do it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Also in, as we find out in Terminator Salvation, Kyle Reese was born into the destruction.
Speaker A:Like, he, he, he didn't know any time before the robots took over, so.
Speaker A:So, yeah, I think it's a very different situation.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:That happened a lot to guys in like, World War I and World War II.
Speaker A:They'd have, like, pictures of pin up girls.
Speaker A:Girls, and they would fall in love with that and be.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Some of them would pretend that they were their girlfriends, like.
Speaker B:Yeah, I get it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Whether or not he's a creep, Kyle or Michael Bean's one of the most intense actors.
Speaker B:He is so intense the entire time.
Speaker C:I really believed him.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Anton Yelshin did a really good job at kind of capturing his, his, his evolution in Salvation, like taking where he ended up in the original Terminator and like, building himself into that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I love it.
Speaker B:I, I uncovered this and I had never thought about this, but there's a.
Speaker B:You know, thank you, Reddit.
Speaker B:One time.
Speaker B:I'll thank Reddit, but there's.
Speaker B:They call it the incompetent AI theory.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B: nd the Terminator back to the: Speaker A:Fair.
Speaker B:Oh, probably easier to find.
Speaker A:I mean, why would we send it all the way back to the original apes that we came from and just take them out, Just wipe out all lines to human civilization?
Speaker C:Would you have to send him back to sometime with electricity?
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker B:We don't know how the teleporting works, I guess I don't know how the.
Speaker C:Teleporting works, but I don't know.
Speaker C:Would he have to ever charge or something?
Speaker C:I was thinking maybe it was so that, like, that makes more sense, but in this world, I'm wondering if, like, he has to, like, be Able to find a charge or be recharged or maybe that's I'm messing with.
Speaker C:Maybe that's messing with time too much.
Speaker C:Maybe that's like, the time rules.
Speaker A:I'll put it this way.
Speaker A:In the words of James Cameron himself when defending Rose, Taking up all the room on the door in Titanic.
Speaker A:It's in the script.
Speaker A:It's what's gonna happen.
Speaker B:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker B:Terminator about to kill Rose.
Speaker B:Lord have mercy.
Speaker B:What a selfish whore.
Speaker C:It's hard to get on doors.
Speaker B:Jack.
Speaker A:Jack.
Speaker B:And I hate how she acts like the joke.
Speaker C:I'm like, it was you, girl.
Speaker C:Yeah, I know.
Speaker C:You know what I would have done in that scenario?
Speaker C:I would have made him lay on the door, and then I would have climbed on top of him.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Conserve body heat, like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And even the Mythbusters proved it could have worked.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Old hag.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Sorry.
Speaker C:Just one.
Speaker C:He did it.
Speaker C:He died.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Imagine if it's OJ on that door.
Speaker A:No one's getting on this door.
Speaker C:We know who would have survive.
Speaker B:I don't know what happened to that.
Speaker A:I don't know what happened to this glove.
Speaker A:It shrank.
Speaker B:Amazing.
Speaker A:How much do you know about the special effects of the movie?
Speaker B:It was just a lot of miniatures.
Speaker B:Zero cgi.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:But my.
Speaker A:My.
Speaker A:My biggest question was actually.
Speaker A:So that scene where.
Speaker A:Where Arnold's taking his eye out and.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And when he has the glasses off, is that an animatronic or is that a puppet?
Speaker B:They use the animatronic in that SC.
Speaker B:The semi truck scene.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Because they needed that eye to move independently.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, you could.
Speaker A:That was.
Speaker A:It was really weird because it definitely hit the uncanny Valley.
Speaker A:And it was like.
Speaker A:I think the biggest reason I could tell was his eyelashes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Actually, like, his eyelashes are really weird for me.
Speaker A:I was like, what is that?
Speaker A:But then he put the glasses on, and I was like, okay, I think they're switching.
Speaker A:But it was hard to tell if that was just like, a puppet or.
Speaker A:Because sometimes they would do that.
Speaker A:Sometimes they would literally just make something that you would put your hand in to operate that.
Speaker A:But, yeah, that's cool.
Speaker A:It was an animatronic.
Speaker B:They even did that.
Speaker A:Any more of that.
Speaker B:Even in Total Recall.
Speaker B:They have.
Speaker B:That was 10 years later.
Speaker A:Seen that.
Speaker B:Oh, it's one of the best movies ever made.
Speaker B:It's top 20.
Speaker B:They also use a ton of animatronic.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A: I mean, even In Narnia in: Speaker A:The minotaurs, the big, like, yak looking Dudes, all of their faces and heads were fully animatronic.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, they could.
Speaker A:They could make words with their mouths, they could blink, they could look different directions.
Speaker A:Like, they can make the ears move.
Speaker C:Like, fun.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:Fun to act with.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker A:Like, not to go off on a.
Speaker A:On a tangent about that, but real quick, like, I think that's why some of those movies hold up is because you still see that it's real stuff.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:And it's like it just got better and better and better as time went on.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, that's Jurassic Park.
Speaker A:Same thing.
Speaker A:Like, you have the animatronic of the.
Speaker A:The dinosaur breathing in and out that's laying down and sick that they're touching.
Speaker A:And then when it does jump to the animation here and there, it's like, it.
Speaker A:It works so seamlessly.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:For me, with the animatronic, the skin is what I could tell.
Speaker C:Yeah, the skin was hard because that's.
Speaker A:What made me question.
Speaker A:And then it was the eyelashes that I was like, oh, no, that's definitely not real.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah, that makes sense for me.
Speaker C:I'm like, it's always skin.
Speaker C:I'm like, those are not porous.
Speaker C:Those are not porous.
Speaker C:They are not.
Speaker A:He is not porous enough.
Speaker C:He's not porous.
Speaker C:This is not how skin works.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:The closer.
Speaker B:This is gonna be really hard for me.
Speaker B:But who or what won and who or what lost this movie for you?
Speaker A:I mean, there's a lot.
Speaker A:A lot that wins this movie.
Speaker A:But honestly, I think for me, the thing that really wins the movie is how simple the story is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:It easily could have tried to go.
Speaker A:We see this so often today where you have this beautifully simple idea and people just over complicate it with lore or just random things they want to throw in there.
Speaker A:I don't think there was a single moment that.
Speaker A:Not even, like, frame or whatever.
Speaker A:I'm talking specifically, like, story beat that you could cut out of this without absolutely needing it.
Speaker A:Like, I think this is the most bare bones version of what this movie could be.
Speaker A:And I think it's.
Speaker A:That reason why T2 was able to go so much bigger was because this.
Speaker A:This had set up just enough that we understood the rules of the world that was presented to us, but we were wanting more information about what's the future going to look like.
Speaker A:What.
Speaker A:What else are they going to try to send back?
Speaker A:Like, we didn't have a ton of information.
Speaker A:We only had what we needed.
Speaker A:So I think the simplicity of it is really what Wins this movie for me.
Speaker A:I can't really think of anything that would have lost it.
Speaker A:Like, there's not.
Speaker A:Yeah, there's a couple of janky moments with some of the animation and the animatronics, but it's like none that took me so far out of it that I was upset.
Speaker B:Love that.
Speaker B:So glad to hear that.
Speaker B:About one of my favorite movies.
Speaker A:It sucked.
Speaker C:For me what won it was obviously Arnold Schwarzenegger's butt and cocking balls.
Speaker C:And cock and balls.
Speaker B:A real quick snap.
Speaker C:Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, full snake, pretty good Johnson.
Speaker C:I don't see anything else.
Speaker C:No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker A:That's all that was?
Speaker C:That's it.
Speaker C:That's all.
Speaker C:No, I just.
Speaker C:I love him so much in this movie.
Speaker C:He's perfect.
Speaker C:He was the perfect choice.
Speaker C:And Linda Hamilton, honestly like her as a character.
Speaker C:I love her character for like, you know, being woman.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:She's who I want to be.
Speaker B:That's all.
Speaker A:Hell yeah.
Speaker C:And yeah, I just, I like the simplicity of the story.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's like a nice, simple sci fi.
Speaker C:It's not relaxing, but it's like, it's not like stressful to watch, you know, it's just like.
Speaker C:It's fun.
Speaker C:It's just like a fun movie.
Speaker C:And I don't like action movies.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:I fall asleep during them.
Speaker C:So, like, the fact that I stayed awake the whole time is amazing.
Speaker A:You know what it kind of reminded me of was like, I know upgrade had some complexities to it, but at its core, it was a very simple story.
Speaker A:And the same thing, the story beats were all necessary.
Speaker A:There was no fluff on that movie.
Speaker A:And I love.
Speaker A:Because it was a callback to the 80s sci fi genre.
Speaker A:So I think that is really what makes it stand the test.
Speaker A:Test of time is just be perfectly simple.
Speaker A:Complicated enough that you want to know more, which you always want to leave them wanting more.
Speaker A:You don't want them to walk out of the theater being like, oh my God, it's over.
Speaker A:Thank God.
Speaker C:That's what I hate when they have an extra 15 minutes in a movie for no reason.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I hate it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And the amount of money you spend on an extra 15 minutes in a movie like this is like, it's.
Speaker C:It's too much money.
Speaker A:It could be tens of millions of dollars.
Speaker C:Yeah, it could be so.
Speaker C:And then losing nothing.
Speaker C:It's great.
Speaker A:Great.
Speaker C:There's no notes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'll take mine a step further.
Speaker B:Like not just a simple story, but a simple story told with precision.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like You.
Speaker B:Like you said, Seth, there's not.
Speaker B:I'm trying to think of a scene that you could take out of this.
Speaker B:I wouldn't add or take away anything that is rare.
Speaker B:It's very.
Speaker B:And there's one thing I might.
Speaker B:I'll talk about in the latter half of my answer, but besides this one scene, there is just so much precision here.
Speaker B:It is just.
Speaker A:And I'm curious what the flaw in one of your favorite movies is.
Speaker B:Yeah, I know, but in just getting Arnold, just growing up, worshiping Arnold, still to this day, being a huge fan.
Speaker B:It's just a joy.
Speaker B:I can watch this anytime.
Speaker B:Like, I just.
Speaker B:I couldn't wait to cover it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:The only scene.
Speaker B:And it's not that I want it gone.
Speaker B:Is this just the most awkward romance scene ever?
Speaker B:It's a really awkward romance scene.
Speaker B:It really is.
Speaker B:Because he's like, from the future, probably a virgin.
Speaker A:Probably.
Speaker C:They're stressed.
Speaker A:That's the whole point.
Speaker B:She's a wily waitress.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Working at the Big Bend.
Speaker A:That's the point.
Speaker A:He probably doesn't know what he's doing.
Speaker B:Just real.
Speaker B:And it's.
Speaker B:Oh, it is a little long.
Speaker B:It is just kind of like a lot of.
Speaker A:See, I.
Speaker A:It was quicker than I remembered it being.
Speaker B:Oh, I'm always just kind of like.
Speaker B:It's kind of like watching a.
Speaker B:Like a squirrel hump a doorknob, you know, I'm just like.
Speaker B:One thing doesn't understand the purpose here.
Speaker C:I feel like they could have told it in a different way.
Speaker C:That they didn't actually have to show anything.
Speaker C:They could have just closed the door.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:You don't have to show anything.
Speaker C:That's it.
Speaker A:It was the 80s.
Speaker A:It was an action movie.
Speaker A:It was pretty much.
Speaker A:And it was R rated.
Speaker A:It was pretty much expected.
Speaker A:You gotta have some tits at some point.
Speaker A:I'm not against sex scenes in movies in general.
Speaker A:I know a lot of people who are like, I think they're unnecessary.
Speaker A:I think they can be unnecessary.
Speaker A:And I think a lot of times they are unnecessary.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:And in my opinion, I think specifically for this movie, because we didn't know that Kyle is supposed to be the father.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Until that moment.
Speaker A:That's the moment where you put that together.
Speaker A:And it's kind of like I. I compare the necessity of it to Oppenheimer.
Speaker A:A lot of people complain that Oppenheimer's sex scenes were.
Speaker A:Shouldn't have been in there.
Speaker A:There shouldn't have been any nudity.
Speaker A:But actually, those scenes not only set up who Oppenheimer is as a character.
Speaker A:But they're so artistically well done in showing the emotion of what's going on that I do argue it was insanely artistically necessary.
Speaker A:And I think the awkwardness of this is supposed to add to what's going on.
Speaker A:Cause like you jokingly said, but I think is actually true.
Speaker A:I think he is a virgin.
Speaker A:I don't think he's ever felt the touch of a woman before.
Speaker A:All he knows is tits.
Speaker A:Grab them.
Speaker A:She's the one.
Speaker A:And it kind of looks like it through the whole scene.
Speaker A:She's the one taking control.
Speaker A:She's the one who's kind of.
Speaker A:Of making that.
Speaker A:That change from not knowing what's going on and being the one who's being saved to finally turning over and becoming the person who's taking charge of things.
Speaker A:So I actually think it was insanely necessary to have it in there.
Speaker A:Sure, maybe you could have caught it a shot or two here and there, but I think the scene itself was needed.
Speaker B:I think it's a perfect soundtrack.
Speaker B:But the fact that they own.
Speaker B:I think now that you're talking, I agree, but.
Speaker B:But I think I'm wheeling it down to maybe what it is.
Speaker B:They just took the sound, the composition that's through the whole film, which is marvelous and perfect, and they just made it the Kenny G jazz version of that.
Speaker A:Okay, fuck, that's a good.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Now that you say this to me, I have the thing that's lost the movie for me and is the majority of the score.
Speaker B:Oh really?
Speaker B:See, I think the score is perfect except for that scene.
Speaker A:I think the themes are good, but I think the score itself.
Speaker A:There were actually a lot of moments during the action that it really pulled me out of it.
Speaker B:Oh really?
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:I. I think.
Speaker A:And even for 80s standards, I think the.
Speaker A:The bass arpeggiating synth was just so bad and.
Speaker A:And especially because it wasn't accompanied by any low end drums.
Speaker A:It was only accompanied by snare drum.
Speaker A:And it just sounded uneven.
Speaker A:It didn't sound like it was filling the space that needed to be filled during the action sequences.
Speaker A:So actually, now that you say this to me.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I actually hated most of the music.
Speaker A:The theme of the drums that it feels huge.
Speaker A:But otherwise most of it just.
Speaker A:Yeah, it kind of actually pulled me out of the movie for a couple times there.
Speaker B:I would give anything to have a theme just in real life.
Speaker B:Like, you know, when the Terminator walks in.
Speaker B:Do, do, do, do.
Speaker B:If I could just walk into a gas station and just something like do, do do.
Speaker B:Like people know, like oh, Kyle's here.
Speaker B:Like, I'm not going to do anything.
Speaker A:Stone cold Steve Austin moment.
Speaker C:Like, oh, my God, the glass breaking.
Speaker C:If that could happen every time I walk in a room, I would lose my mind.
Speaker A:Incredible.
Speaker A:That should be your walk on music whenever you do stand up.
Speaker C:Oh, I've thought about it.
Speaker C:That or Brock Lesnar's.
Speaker B:That would work so well.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because, like, he's six foot five and I'm five foot two.
Speaker B:A strong five.
Speaker B:Two, though.
Speaker B:Look at you.
Speaker C:I can do one.
Speaker C:Pull up.
Speaker B:Hell yeah, girl.
Speaker B:All right, let's do our rapid fire war zone scorecards.
Speaker B:As a reminder, we have four categories.
Speaker B:We have cast, directing, writing, and film composition.
Speaker B:Film composition covers just all the technicalities, stunts, editing, music, color, whatever it is.
Speaker B:Anything that's not covered in the first three.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Acting.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think everyone was perfect for their roles, even down to the creepy boyfriend who's on the phone when.
Speaker A:When Linda Hamilton answers it.
Speaker A:I love that moment where she just lets him go and then she makes fun of him.
Speaker A:He's like, oh, shit.
Speaker A:And then she gives her roommate the phone and he just goes through the entire script again.
Speaker A:It's so perfect.
Speaker A:Acting.
Speaker A:It's a yes for me.
Speaker A:Directing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:This is obviously truly what set James Cameron up to be who he's become today.
Speaker A:I think, you know, Piranha 2 was the movie he had to make to be able to make the stuff he wanted to make.
Speaker A:And I'm proud of him for pushing through it and doing what he had to do because he's given us some beautiful stuff.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So obviously it's a yes for me.
Speaker A:Writing.
Speaker A:It's gonna be a sketch over.
Speaker A:Not quite a squeak, but a little bit higher than that.
Speaker A:The writing is fine.
Speaker C:Fine.
Speaker A:There's nothing insane about the writing.
Speaker A:Like, it's, it's nothing super deep.
Speaker A:It's a cool world he's created.
Speaker A:But yeah, it's not the most complex of scripts, but it's.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So it does its job.
Speaker A:So it's.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's a yes, but a scotch over yes for me.
Speaker A:And then, yeah, I think obviously with film composition, with everything that you're seeing and hearing other than the music, which I'm not going to hold it too much against it because the rest of it's so good.
Speaker A:The, the.
Speaker A:The beautiful mixture of at the time, hand drawn animation for the lasers and the electricity and stuff, along with the stop motion and the miniatures and the actual, like, shooting of real life stuff.
Speaker A:Yeah, it just all came together beautifully.
Speaker A:So, yeah, it's Obviously gonna be four yeses for me.
Speaker B:Well said.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I had to write them down.
Speaker C:I have to write them down every time.
Speaker A:You'll get it.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker C:Once I do 340 of these, I will.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:There you go.
Speaker C:The cast is perfect.
Speaker C:I can't imagine anybody else in the main roles at least.
Speaker C:Like, you could throw in some extras in the background, but, you know, the main three people.
Speaker C:The writing, I think, is exactly what it needs to be for a sci fi.
Speaker C:I don't need a lot out of the writing.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know, the plot's driven.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It goes like.
Speaker C:It's more about the action sequences anyway.
Speaker C:And I think it just.
Speaker C:It doesn't get in the way.
Speaker C:I like that.
Speaker C: kind of the thing with, like,: Speaker C:You don't want to overdo it because an overdone sci fi guy is so boring to watch.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Directing, perfect.
Speaker C:I think everybody knew exactly what they were doing at all times.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And I like that he has, like, a pretty tight, like, vision on everything.
Speaker C:And I think that's why it gets, like.
Speaker C:It's such a solid movie to watch.
Speaker C:And film composition, that's just like everything else.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:I think it's gorgeous.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:I think I love, like, a dystopian world.
Speaker C:That's like, my favorite kind of place for some reason.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:That's all I wanted to live in as a child.
Speaker C:I thought that would get a laugh.
Speaker C:But I guess it's gonna bomb because.
Speaker B:I just agree with you.
Speaker C:I know, I know.
Speaker B:I'm not laughing because I'm like, yeah.
Speaker C:I also wanted to.
Speaker B:I mean, who doesn't?
Speaker C:I know, I know.
Speaker A: ened and it said Los Angeles,: Speaker C:I know.
Speaker C:No, that's.
Speaker C:The other thing is, like, we're getting so close to it and I'm like, like, is it going to happen?
Speaker B:Be fun.
Speaker A:We find out all the robots are actually wayos.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I want to be like, james, did you know something?
Speaker A:Are you a time traveler?
Speaker B:Did you know that was one hell of a fever dream, James?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I'm like, are you going to the bottom of the ocean to talk to aliens because they can time travel the.
Speaker A:Ghost of technology future.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:But yeah, for you guesses.
Speaker B:Hell yeah.
Speaker C:Definitely.
Speaker B:I mean, come on.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:This is definitely four nos somehow.
Speaker B:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:I'm actually gonna just turn it Arnold's a cinematography sucked.
Speaker A:James Cameron can kiss my ass.
Speaker C:It's now his least favorite movie.
Speaker B:Michael Bean's weird.
Speaker C:We've made him hate it.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:You didn't appreciate it enough.
Speaker B:Those four yeses needed to be more resounding.
Speaker B:Now I, I love that this is what puts Arnold on the map.
Speaker B:And I'll combine it with my writing answer.
Speaker B:Like, I don't know how like coincidental it is, but the word economy that was written for the Terminator.
Speaker B:Plus the idea that Arnold, one of his mainstays in film, would become as comedic one liners.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, I don't know how that happens.
Speaker B:That, that Arnold is this really funny but giant action star.
Speaker B:Like, it's just.
Speaker B:It all started here.
Speaker B:And I don't know how intentional it was, but it's just written so Well.
Speaker B:I love the 80s stuff in it.
Speaker B:Like it's so truly.
Speaker B:80s.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:The hair like her roommate.
Speaker B:The making love during wearing Walkman.
Speaker C:Oh my God, I forgot about that.
Speaker C:Like, I love that scene.
Speaker B:There's just so much 80 and it's great.
Speaker B:It's great.
Speaker B:The dance, the club is so.
Speaker B:It's just so wonderful.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:One thing with the cast that.
Speaker B:Because there's just so much going on with the.
Speaker B:The top Bill cast is we didn't talk enough about Lance Henriksen and Paul Winfield as the just the amazing detectives.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, they're just so great.
Speaker B:We got Bill Paxton and Brian Thompson.
Speaker A:Ye.
Speaker A:Forgot about Bill Paxton.
Speaker A:What a, what a dope little moment.
Speaker C:For him here right before Aliens.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Brian Thompson would go on to be the, the villain in Cobra with Stallone.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But Bill Paxton here, this is like a rando that's kind of like only pertinent slightly to this.
Speaker B:But Bill Paxton's the only actor to get killed by a predator, a Terminator and an alien.
Speaker A:Nice.
Speaker C:Way to go, Bill.
Speaker A:Nice.
Speaker B:And people, people try to argue.
Speaker B:Lance Henriksen, but he was a droid who got severed by the alien.
Speaker B:He didn't get killed.
Speaker B:And you could argue because he's not human, but Bill Paxton literally got killed by all three in three different movies.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:All right, sir.
Speaker A:That was beautiful.
Speaker B:That's a huge moment for our friend Bill.
Speaker B:Rest in peace.
Speaker B:I do miss you, my friend.
Speaker B:Writing direct.
Speaker B:I mean, dude, I mean, this, this.
Speaker B:Did this movie make James Cameron just the most.
Speaker B:The busy.
Speaker B:Like, think about this.
Speaker B:If you're in Hollywood and you see this movie and you have, you have all these ideas and you're like, if I just.
Speaker B:If we could just do that.
Speaker B:Yeah, if we could just make that idea.
Speaker B:And your buddy's like, smoking.
Speaker B:We're never going to be able to.
Speaker B:Like, you're.
Speaker B:You're out of your mind.
Speaker B:Are you smoking meth now?
Speaker B:You're ever.
Speaker B:You're not going to blow anything up.
Speaker B:I mean, what are you.
Speaker B:You know, and like.
Speaker B:I know, I know.
Speaker B:And then James Cameron.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Comes on the scene and makes Terminator, and all of a sudden all those guys are like, we can do this.
Speaker B:Maybe we can do it.
Speaker B:Like, he thinks, oh, I think we could do it.
Speaker B:And it just opened the world.
Speaker A:I mean, I would argue without this movie, we don't have Robert Rodriguez.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Robert Rodriguez.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And it's a second movie.
Speaker C:Yeah, like his second movie to direct.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:That's amazing.
Speaker B:We don't have John McTary.
Speaker B:Yeah, we don't have.
Speaker B:There's so many.
Speaker B:Catherine Bigelow.
Speaker C:Like, there's Bigelow, definitely.
Speaker B:Oh, Michael Bay with the Rock.
Speaker B:I mean, the Rock doesn't happen.
Speaker B:Michael Bean's in that, too.
Speaker A:Nice.
Speaker B:But anyway, I just.
Speaker B:That was one perspective I had.
Speaker B:I've seen this over 200 times, probably.
Speaker B:And I was thinking, man, like, how many people were like, we can do things.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Brought vision to life last.
Speaker B:But I mean, literally, I can't go on anymore.
Speaker B:Everything's perfect.
Speaker B:Minus the Kenny G version of the theme over the weird romance scene of all time.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's literally the same theme, but with a saxophone.
Speaker C:But it should be weird, though, because he is a virgin.
Speaker C:So it should be weird.
Speaker C:So it's accurate.
Speaker A:Yeah, Kyle.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker B:They're just acting.
Speaker C:They're just really good actors.
Speaker B:Yeah, I take.
Speaker B:I take your feedback with an open heart.
Speaker A:He's like, all right, fine.
Speaker A:It could be perfect.
Speaker B:Well, what a way to kick off this year.
Speaker A:Season two.
Speaker C:Season two.
Speaker B:I'm Kyle.
Speaker A:I'm Seth.
Speaker C:I'm Mariana.
Speaker A:We'll see you next time.
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