Silver Linings Playbook Vs. As Good As It Gets (0048)
The MWP crew is excited to get to a matchup that’s been on the list for a while. Silver Linings Playbook Vs As Good As It Gets is an Oscar-nomination-laden matchup, both bringing home best actress for Helen Hunt and Jennifer Lawrence. Unconventional and offbeat romance films, both movies do a decent job of portraying the act of finding love through the lens of mental illness. Jack Nicholson delivered yet another groundbreaking performance as Melvin while Silver Linings Playbook brought Jennifer Lawrence into the spotlight. Find unconventional love with the Movie Wars crew and step over the cracks.
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[00:00:28] Drew: I forgot to have a quote ready for this, [00:00:30] so I guess I wasn't ready.
[:[00:00:32] Kyle: do a better intro anyway. This podcast
[:[00:00:43] Drew: podcast chiseled on walls. This will
[:[00:00:46] Drew: Wait, there was such a good quote from as good as it gets.
[:[00:01:03] Kyle: I just did that. You're gonna make me get another
[:[00:01:08] This is a great outtake by the way. I think of a podcast and I take away reason and accountability, I'm Drew.
[:[00:01:25] Not surprised. How many movies are
[:[00:01:28] Kyle: I think as good as this gets, like [00:01:30] 161 on my top 50 list. Silver linings is like 243, um, on my top 50. Um, well this, as good as it gets, was just, it was a weird movie for me to like, I, when I first saw it. I was younger and I, I couldn't believe I was liking it.
[:[00:02:02] I was thinking through, I was like, why did I like these movies so much? And I was thinking about my relationship with romantic comedies, and I, and I like them. But you guys know, I'm not like super into them. I like When Harry Met Sally, but that one's, I just don't love them by and large. You like the Mount Rushmore of rom com.
[:[00:02:22] Phil: good cheap rom com. Brainless. Watch two people fall in love for no f*cking reason. It's great.
[:[00:02:33] And I talked about this in an early podcast. Let's go ahead and get it out there in the open. I have been diagnosed with obsessive compulsive disorder. I don't wear it like a f*cking badge like half the country on Instagram does these days when they're like, you know, transcribing their entire therapist appointment.
[:[00:03:00] Maybe your wife or your girlfriend or It's like driving
[:[00:03:05] Kyle: And so I'm I'm watching Jack Nicholson and I'm I'm thinking, I'm like You know, before I sought treatment, I used to, you know, I'm gonna be really open here. I used to check three times a night if my cars were locked and my doors were locked every night.
[:[00:03:30] Phil: Am
[:[00:03:32] Phil: you're not doing it in like a sad way. Well, no,
[:[00:03:46] Who was the Maury? Remember Maury, the daytime TV shows? He did one on OCD. I think I was home with strep. Mari. Mari. Mari Povich. I think I had strep one day, and you know when your, there's this daytime TV on, and they have an obsessive compulsive one on there. [00:04:00] And there was a woman that made her husband drink coffee through a straw so his teeth wouldn't, teeth wouldn't stain.
[:[00:04:13] Phil: versions of it.
[:[00:04:21] Because I have OCD as well, but not this kind, I guess. It's under control. Would you say it's an accurate depiction of someone's struggle? Like, is it? I don't know, like, [00:04:30] I feel like I do. You could make a nitpick that it's a little, like It's a little over the top. They use it for comedic effect and stuff more so than
[:[00:04:43] Like, that's not accessible for most and those are surgical soaps like you notice they're the the gelatin sponges like that was a little crazy but I do one thing I admire about Nicholson's performance in that is that he does play off as if it's not like he's not making it kitschy you know it
[:[00:05:00] Slides into that persona that he carries with him.
[:[00:05:17] Phil: off 15 times a day, you know,
[:[00:05:21] Is there a chance that you have OCD because you watched this? Yes. Maybe
[:[00:05:46] I
[:[00:05:54] Kyle: slept with Simon, and she's Well I thought if you slept with Simon And she is into him at that moment [00:06:00] She is melting And the recoil is So hard and fast. And he won't go in the store to get the coat.
[:[00:06:25] One girl and then my wife. Did you know she was your wife when you [00:06:30] started dating her? It was crazy. Like, she showed me the wedding certificate on date three and I was like, whoa. This is how I feel like I experienced relationships. When I'm thinking about, like, how did these movies get in my top 50? These are versions of romance that I can, you know, I can really attach myself to.
[:[00:06:44] Drew: our impressions here? Well, it's, uh, the year 2024. I had not seen As Good As It Gets, which came out in 1997. No way! You hadn't seen that film? I'm really excited. And I love 90s movies. Like, I love to just revisit that decade because that's the decade I grew [00:07:00] up in. And, uh, I thought it was such a really, like all the things we're going to talk about aside, it felt like such a great snapshot of the nineties, you know, just watching him write from a giant, like, I don't know, like compact computer or whatever.
[:[00:07:33] So I actually was surprised at how good a matchup this was. I was really apprehensive, like, because I don't associate these movies as such. Similar movies, maybe it's just because they came out at such different times and different acting styles and whatnot But I really liked as good as it gets. I saw silver linings when it came out.
[:[00:07:51] Kyle: 2012.
[:[00:08:06] Uh, jennifer Lawrence is just so Dynamic and so versatile. I just got done watching the hunger games series and I loved her in that So then shifting gears just to watch her in this kind of make her big debut I was like man, this girl can just kind of do it all So anyway, I enjoyed both of them and I'm excited to talk about these today
[:[00:08:26] I know you always like hall
[:[00:08:29] Kyle: What's a hall [00:08:30] pass? Are you serious? I'm not, oh, I think I know what you're talking about. I'm not going down that road. There are no hall passes in my life.
[:[00:08:37] Drew: are
[:[00:08:40] Drew: no hall. There's no pass.
[:[00:08:43] Drew: there's no hall pass.
[:[00:08:44] Kyle: Dare I say the, the Eagles element was amazing as a Cowboys fan, but one of my favorite quotes in the movie is the, is the therapist. Jason Jackson's the f*cking man. That did not age well, I know because he wasn't but that was the fact that like they have such an [00:09:00] adversarial therapeutic relationship Once or both at the game and they're in their eagles thing They are the same like I love that element of it
[:[00:09:16] I was like This is, I hate this movie. Did we watch that game together, maybe? I'm pretty sure we did. I think we did, yeah. Feels like we did. 2012, I was in
[:[00:09:25] Phil: That's awesome. I have seen both of these movies at different times and forgot everything [00:09:30] about both of them.
[:[00:09:46] But like, you know, that at that time, that wasn't really like a focal point in society. So you can't really expect them to be able to dive in way deep with all this accuracy because I don't know that society would have been ready for it. So I think they told the story in the most humanizing and [00:10:00] respectful way they could.
[:[00:10:18] Just absolutely loved him in that movie. Loved Helen Hunt in that movie. So charming. Loved Greg Kinnear in that movie. Everyone was so good. Like, um, Cuba Gooding Jr., who I kind of hit and miss on depending on the role, like, I thought he was great in that. [00:10:30] Like, the whole movie just worked. Yeah. It felt good, it was nice to look at, it was, it was feel good, the music's really fun, like, love the weird dog subplot, and with the, what I'm pretty sure is a Brussels Griffin and the only reason I know that is because those dogs look like some kind of weird version of Chewbacca.
[:[00:11:01] To me, the movie didn't know what it wanted to be. It wasn't funny enough to be a comedy, and it wasn't serious and reverent enough to be, like, real. Drama. Like a character study. Like a drama, or like a, you know, a real like deep dive into mental illness like they were actually I mean I thought they were pretty surface level with it especially for the time that it came out like they could have gone way more serious with it but they kind of like got really serious but then would make light of certain things and so and then also to me it was like always sunny in Philadelphia without the comedy like all they do is scream at each other the whole time [00:11:30] so I wasn't I wasn't too into that one that's yeah that's about all I got a fair
[:[00:11:37] Yeah, it's kind of like had a toe in like all the different genres and it didn't really commit. I feel like it
[:[00:11:54] That felt really legit. And also the insides of the homes were pretty spot on.
[:[00:12:06] Phil: mean, my dad's from that area. I used to go up there all the time as a kid, and my grandparents lived right outside of Philly, and so it all felt very much like that area.
[:[00:12:28] Kyle: well, you know aside from just [00:12:30] loving the takes on mental illness.
[:[00:12:48] You know, like, Drew goes on these, like, he went on an Al Pacino tear, a Defoe tear. I went on a Jack Nicholson tear. I've always loved him, but I was watching it thinking, I just want to go back, and so I re watched Chinatown, I re [00:13:00] watched, uh, The Passenger, which is an Italian director, beautiful film, 1975, and, uh, re watched The Last Detail, just kind of his older stuff.
[:[00:13:25] He doesn't look like a
[:[00:13:26] Kyle: Yeah. He He kind of pops. Yeah, he
[:[00:13:30] Kyle: but what's interesting is every movie, and I have Randall's about this here too, is when we did a few Good Men, all the actors are intimidated by him. They're intimidated by his presence.
[:[00:13:51] His sister was actually his mother. He didn't know
[:[00:13:55] Kyle: twenties, his mother was actually, he's got a wild upbringing story. [00:14:00] And I was thinking like, if that was your reality, like you may act in this way where you, you kind of, he almost acts like he's in his own bubble. You know what I mean? It doesn't make sense.
[:[00:14:22] I'm going to rewatch Crossing Guard, Sean Penn's first directorial film. And I just love it. And Brad Cooper here, I just, I know you didn't love it, but Brad Cooper's [00:14:30] refreshing here. And this was a huge pivot for him. And we'll get to this in the, in the casting.
[:[00:14:34] Kyle: Yeah. That's great. All fair.
[:[00:14:36] f*ck up the whole time.
[:[00:14:48] Drew: This was kind of his first, like, not wedding crashers, hangover, like, frat party movie, right?
[:[00:15:08] It's hard to It's hard to throw a rock at a Hollywood person and not find someone with some issues. But, um. Um. Haha. Apparently, the conversation with Brad Cooper was He Brad Cooper was an angry person. This is You know it's Bradley,
[:[00:15:19] Kyle: Bradley Cooper. Does it not go
[:[00:15:24] I call it Robert Bobby. I call
[:[00:15:30] Kyle: know it's
[:[00:15:31] Kyle: right? If he really wants me to, what a narcissist. For, to make me, you know. He also speaks fluent French. He's not making you do anything.
[:[00:15:58] He's going bronchial. [00:16:00] Okay, nevermind. f*ck you, Bradley. I was gonna compliment you, but I'm done with you. Eat a dick, Brad. How dare you. How dare you. Go buy Brad, Brad. It's good enough for Brad Pitt. It's good enough for Brad Pitt.
[:[00:16:16] He would be a
[:[00:16:21] Phil: Somebody that good. You know what? Never mind. He could have been great.
[:[00:16:27] Phil: 100%. So dirty. Someone's gotta clean that. [00:16:30]
[:[00:16:31] Yeah. I was going to compliment him and now I'm mad. Yeah, f*ck that guy. I'm just mad. Horrible performance, horrible movie, horrible cast. David or Russell, go, go jump off a bridge. But those eyes, dude. But those blue eyes. Those beautiful blues. That's a good looking guy. In all seriousness, Bradley was, I'm not going to be able to say it the rest of the podcast now.
[:[00:16:48] Kyle: was I thought, I loved it. I loved his transition between insanity and, uh, this, you know, this almost, like, over the top, zealous, like, what would you call it, like, this allude, this delusion of [00:17:00] optimism, you know, and, like, these swings, I thought he, I thought, when he, I love that scene when he runs in the room and throws the book, about, the Hemingway book, and he's pissed, and his parents are like, it's 3 a.
[:[00:17:10] Drew: That was a pretty
[:[00:17:19] Drew: watch them again, but maybe in a few years I'll be.
[:[00:17:21] Kyle: seen them. Okay. I'll watch them with you then. Watch them with me. f*ck you. I'm just kidding.
[:[00:17:29] Kyle: that I want to run it back [00:17:30] already. I'm just messing. Jennifer Lawrence was amazing, and she's in American Hustle, and then like, I've just, She's probably my favorite actress.
[:[00:17:38] Drew: she's hot. Let's be honest.
[:[00:17:48] Phil: two things that's true of all Hollywood people. Yeah. Great relationship, no tax for her.
[:[00:17:55] Kyle: Great relationship, no This is the best impressions I've ever given.
[:[00:18:03] Kyle: gonna talk about how I say names the rest of the night? What's funny is I'm not drinking and I don't even have any booze and I'm not saying names right, you know
[:[00:18:11] Everybody's your homie tonight. Yo, Jenny Jenny L like she was so f*cking good in that
[:[00:18:23] Kyle: Jack, Jack Lee, Jackie Nicholson, Nicholson. Jackie Nicky, Gregory
[:[00:18:28] Kyle: You know, I had already been a [00:18:30] David O. Russell fan though, but it was great to be exposed to some fantastic performances here.
[:[00:18:55] Must see. Chinatown's so good. Never seen it either. There's got to be a matchup for it. I mean, it's, it's [00:19:00] on every top 50 of all time list. It's freaking insane. Phenomenal. I had mentioned,
[:[00:19:09] I remember for some reason as a kid, 1998 or whatever it was, when he came up on stage, I remember him saying, uh, like he got up there and like he took a big size, like, whew, I had a sinking feeling. I wasn't going to win this tonight because he was up against Leo, I think for the best. And
[:[00:19:27] And
[:[00:19:28] Drew: I love this man.
[:[00:19:35] Phil: that was cute! That was different.
[:[00:19:39] Phil: Yeah! You
[:[00:19:48] Drew: d k.
[:[00:19:49] Kyle: Yeah, see, you get there. Even if you don't do it the first time, Phil eventually gets the impression. Unfortunately we can't say that on the podcast. He's
[:[00:19:58] Phil: Sounds like he knows [00:20:00] something you don't is that like that's what I define that voice
[:[00:20:06] He's just like yeah, he's a clown face like yeah,
[:[00:20:09] Kyle: looks like a clown He
[:[00:20:13] Kyle: Maybe maybe one of them until he ledger was the best joker by a lot of standards our fans when I left it was tied But now it is 55 45 as good as it gets wins by one vote couple of comments here We have a new fan, by the way, mr.
[:[00:20:40] Brad, as good as it gets, is just better overall movie. Bradley or Brad? That's a good question. I was gonna say the same thing. Oh, it's Brady, actually. No! Sorry, neither. You got lucky, Brady. If your name was Bradley, you'd be out! Yeah. You'd be out of Movie Wars! I love that it
[:[00:20:59] Oh, it's Brady. [00:21:00] We call him Brad. His name's Brady. Brad for short. My
[:[00:21:14] H. Helen Hunt all killing it. It took me a minute to Becky says, our fan Becky. I'm trying to see what she voted for first. You guys need to curse less on your podcast. Becky voted for Silver Linings, and Becky just says, better movie. Love it. I love it. Sorry, Becky. Thanks, Becky. But you're wrong. Yeah. Thank you, fans.
[:[00:21:33] Phil: as
[:[00:21:34] Phil: it's not my fault. Well, I feel like these movies would have interesting randos.
[:[00:21:43] It was, it was a box in the movie. My, oh wow. This one's my high def DV and I have a hundred. Love that. Yeah, I love it. So Jack Nicholson was terrified that no one would light the movie because of how horribly he was to people. So he was very weary about taking this role forward. He was very
[:[00:21:56] Kyle: Yeah, he was not a nice guy. Definitely not a Hollywood guy. get you outta that inner [00:22:00] circle real quick, if you know what I mean. Cory Feldman, the big kiss at the end wasn't supposed to be. Director James L. Brooks yelled, Kisser Man, at the end, and, uh, he improv'd it. So Jack improv'd the kiss. Darn good kiss.
[:[00:22:26] I could never find it, but this is the most common rando on the internet, for [00:22:30] as good as it gets.
[:[00:22:31] Kyle: I go on a quest further. I put it here because It's very common, rando, but
[:[00:22:40] So they will be.
[:[00:22:44] Phil: It's a podcast. f*cking listen
[:[00:22:54] We don't have t shirts. We don't. Going back to your Oscar ceremony thing, Jack Nicholson ascended the podium carefully by stepping [00:23:00] over cracks on the stage to take his, his Oscar for it. Really? Yeah. And so he was doing the thing he did as Melvin up the stairs that you can find the video. It's awesome. I kind of feel
[:[00:23:12] So you're either going to kill it and everyone's going to think you're a badass or you're going to like, it's just not going to land. Everyone's just going to think you're being weird.
[:[00:23:27] There's a handful of people in this world that can get [00:23:30] away with all the sh*t. And I think Jack Nicholson is one of them. I don't know, man. I've seen a lot of people. Like he's, he's said the craziest things he's done some crazy. He
[:[00:23:41] Kyle: he's linked to Roman, Roman Polanski because of what Roman Polanski, you know, like why he was, you know, Just kicked out of this country for, you know, even that didn't get Jack Nicholson down.
[:[00:23:56] Kyle: Anyway, great. Go, go, go look that up on the YouTube. On the O YouTube! That's www. [00:24:00] youtube. com. Thanks for
[:[00:24:04] Kyle: Yeah, just in case.
[:[00:24:06] Drew: Nevermind, we need to move on.
[:[00:24:20] Exactly. I can relate to that. Lastly, Greg Kinnear. I just said lastly twice. I'm an idiot. Finally, Leslie! I am in my game today. Bradley! Greg Kinnear was scared to work with Jack Nicholson. He called Jack Nicholson an [00:24:30] actor of great unpredictability. And I guess Kinnear was scared. He's a
[:[00:24:34] Kyle: Oh yeah, I guess
[:[00:24:36] Drew: does seem like somebody that would rehearse a lot and be super prepared and not improvise.
[:[00:24:48] Yeah, seriously. f*cking show out Greg.
[:[00:25:03] He's the kid that runs up to the doorbell and runs away. In Silver Linings, that's David O. Russell's kid. Oh. Get, this is a wild duo. I want to hear what you guys think about this. This was originally supposed to be Mark Wahlberg and Anne Hathaway in Silver Linings. Yeah, and she said she had, so this is right before, I think, Harvey Weinstein's whole thing, so he wanted her, he was the one that had talked to her, and she said she, I always love it when they say they have creative differences with the direct, she had creative differences, like, what does that mean?
[:[00:25:36] Drew: that and Anne Hathaway could have Played a cop.
[:[00:25:48] Drew: He's in this movie. We haven't talked about it.
[:[00:26:10] Wow, that's huge. That's huge. That is huge. I would love to make Robert De Niro cry someday. Shall we find our way, shall we find our way into some bumbly romance? Shall we? Let's war. War of
[:[00:26:22] Kyle: Moore said, John Mayer said, love is war. What does it mean with names? What is it with me and names?
[:[00:26:29] Drew: But you [00:26:30] gotta get out that one! Where's the iPad? I brought the mini iPad today. Where's the iPad? It's, it's plugged in out there. Put that down. I gotta pull it up, we're good.
[:[00:26:39] Drew: thing?
[:[00:26:39] Drew: got my glasses on. There's like a hundred people in a movie.
[:[00:26:53] Kyle: tough. Somebody else go first. I don't,
[:[00:26:55] Phil: This is I mean, you guys know where I'm gonna go with this one.
[:[00:27:14] It's beloved.
[:[00:27:15] Phil: He seemed genuinely just an older dude who had lived with some level of OCD his whole life and had just kind of, you know, with little to no accountability and probably not a lot of therapy until maybe later in life, you know, he probably suffered the consequences of it.
[:[00:27:30] Kyle: Yeah. They don't get into past relationships really with him.
[:[00:27:38] Phil: They set the table and, and the people in that movie really, like, nailed it.
[:[00:27:48] Drew: as Phil
[:[00:27:48] Drew: it gets. Uh, yeah, I wouldn't say there's a weak link here. Probably my least favorite performance would be from our guy, Brad Cooper.
[:[00:27:57] Bradwell, that's what Brad's short for.
[:[00:28:18] Kyle: I love that you've, what you, how you focus on Helen Hunt. This is tough for me, but the, There isn't a weak link, but if you had to pick one out of these four performances specifically, it is unfortunately Bradley Cooper. I think he's fantastic, [00:28:30] but I mean, and yes, I love meeting and experiencing Jennifer Lawrence for the first time.
[:[00:28:47] Like I love the director choice and the creative choice to have her, not just a single mom struggling in New York with a. A sick kid, but she's in her forties. She's not like a, you know, a 25 year old single mom going to the clubs at night. Like she is living this really difficult [00:29:00] life and she plays it.
[:[00:29:20] It's just like, they're the most like hateful, beloved, cute, abominable, what is it, abominable couple. Abdominoplasty. Abdominoplasty. They're just so [00:29:30] Abdominals pizza. It works. It is, I'll finish it with this. His life is about perfect obsessive order and she brings the chaos. And it's just a beautiful marriage.
[:[00:29:56] I was gonna say,
[:[00:30:12] parts of the performance, like the facial expressions or the body language or the eyes. And there were some moments where I'm looking at like Bradley Cooper and I'm like, I totally buy him right now in this role. Then other moments where I was like, he feels like he's acting. So it was just like that.
[:[00:30:26] Kyle: on the tiny mini iPad. Now you need your reading glasses. [00:30:30] You want to borrow my glasses?
[:[00:30:33] Kyle: Phil? How is he doing it?
[:[00:30:41] Shirley Knight, Yardley Smith, Lupe Ontiveros, and that's, as far as I'm concerned, all that matters from that movie.
[:[00:30:50] Drew: Oh, that's right! Versus, Robert De Niro, Jackie Weaver, Chris Tucker, Julia Stiles, Paul Herman. One of my
[:[00:31:02] I have no interest. Went to Oxford. Oh yeah. Educated. Kyle, let's go to you first. Tough. Go to you. Tough. What's tough about this is, in my research for this podcast, I'm an avid Dallas Cowboy fan so I usually would deplore all things Philadelphia Eagles like at a very deep level but I found it charming here and that's actually a credit to David O.
[:[00:31:24] Drew: make them charming to me, but, you know, to each their own.
[:[00:31:34] The setting, like how it looks, how the people act. The vibe, the Italian nature of it. People really felt like this was a true Philadelphia movie. There's something to be said. I mean, there is something interesting, like Rocky, like there are these random movies that take place in Philly that, that, that really take on the flavor.
[:[00:32:15] He's like, dude, you gotta get me out of here. I just love that. I, and I, I think she's actually a very charming actress and, but she's, she's so over the top possessive of her husband here. I loved it. So I go silver lining.
[:[00:32:33] I loved, is it Paul Herman plays his buddy, the Token Cowboys fan? I thought that relationship felt really genuine and like their whole gambling thing that they got going on. Yeah. It's just all very believable.
[:[00:32:46] Drew: Yeah, I don't get the reference, but.
[:[00:33:04] I just, I wasn't really buying all of that. Yeah. It just didn't feel right. God, and
[:[00:33:12] Drew: little heavy handed for like the genre that we were watching. It didn't feel right. It felt like lighthearted dramedy.
[:[00:33:22] Drew: falls apart. They're like, that's a weak plot. They're like, right. Well, they're going to, you
[:[00:33:29] Drew: You're [00:33:30] not wrong. I bet they're like, we need them in to go on a trip.
[:[00:33:35] Phil: we kick, he's going to ask his parents for money. So if we have him get his ass kicked and artists in New York don't have health
[:[00:33:46] This is a point I've been waiting to make. One thing I loved, and I feel bad because I know you weren't a fan, but one reason I love Silver Linings, one of the real messages is, we're all kind of crazy. You know? Was that the message? Yeah, it's one of them. It's definitely one of the messages. Like, I
[:[00:34:00] Kyle: Well, but the family, the family is representative of, I think, I think they're supposed to represent, like, the average American family. Like, the, like, middle of the line, like, trying to make it, trying to make your dreams come true, like, I feel like they represented that average, kind of, just, like, maybe between blue collar and next step up type of family.
[:[00:34:41] Drew: Oh the therapist and silver linings were so He's the one that says Deshaun Jackson's a
[:[00:34:56] Drew: How is that not your quote at the beginning of the episode you've said it three times I know i've picked [00:35:00] the wrong quote future fail help me
[:[00:35:03] Kyle: No, i'm, sorry I had I just had to get that point there. I think it's one of the most beautiful things about that movie It's just like we all have a level of crazy and it comes out in different ways in different contexts but normal is It's such a weird, the older I get, the more I think the word normal is just such a strange term.
[:[00:35:37] Kyle: Alright, well, next category, it's as tight as it gets. Uh, what would you rather do? Would you rather go to breakfast with Melvin, or go to an Eagles game with Pat? I'll go first. I would rather go to the Eagles game. Really? I hate the Eagles, but my God, I cannot imagine spending 30 minutes of breakfast with Melvin.
[:[00:35:55] Kyle: When he's in his good moments, Melvin doesn't have a lot. He's going from being super [00:36:00] demanding about breakfast, then being anti semitic to, like, it's just never stopped with him. Homophobic. And then he's like, and your son's gonna die too, it sounds like.
[:[00:36:11] Phil: sees and thinks. But I would rather eat
[:[00:36:16] Kyle: game. Eagles die! Eat Eagle Burger, baby! Caw! Uh, yeah, that's right. Go boys. Even though we're, we're definitely going to be the last in our division next year.
[:[00:36:26] Kyle: was a good KAH! Was that the best impression Phil's done? KAH! [00:36:30] These are good, uh, categories. It's weird I was able to fictionalize this and enjoy it in that way, but you? I'm surprised. Usually it's me who's, who uses sports as a, as an ultimate judgment. What have I always said? Everyone deserves equal rights in this country.
[:[00:36:46] Drew: at
[:[00:36:47] Drew: I mean, as tough as Melvin is, I'm gonna get my ass kicked. Phil's the
[:[00:36:53] Drew: Dammit, I'm gonna have breakfast. And I want Helen to wait on me. I want to see how good her hashbrowns are.[00:37:00]
[:[00:37:02] Kyle: that's the quote of the show. I love
[:[00:37:04] Phil: I go silver linings for supporting cast. Oh, did we skip you? Yeah, I didn't care though. It was like, uh, it would have won anyway. It doesn't know, you know, cow's opinion over here. And yeah, breakfast with Melvin. My dad, you know, is from the Philly area, so he's been a lifelong Eagles fan his whole life.
[:[00:37:40] I don't f*ck with that. And, and also like the idea of going to breakfast with Melvin Udall sounds like a really interesting proposition. I'd, I'd be all about that. If he called me and he's like, at least he's a good writer. Breakfast, I'd be like, yeah, why the f*ck not? Let's go. Okay. See what happens. I respect that.
[:[00:37:56] Kyle: Did, did your dad being a Philadelphia Italian, did that taint your view at all of this movie? [00:38:00] Because I, I forgot about that link.
[:[00:38:06] Kyle: taint.
[:[00:38:14] Yeah. Very, just, very, uh, tain. . But. But, no, it really didn't, if anything, give me a point of reference because, like, the dynamics in the household and, like, the way those homes looked and everything, I was like, Ooh, this looks like every relative's house [00:38:30] of mine that I grew up going to. You go in there like, YOU WANT SOME SPAGHETTI?!
[:[00:38:39] Kyle: Well, it's two to one, and this is about as bad as it gets, for, um, as good as it gets here. Who's likely I love this category, this is the first category I thought of. Who's more likely still together? Because we don't get marriage vows, we don't see rings, like, they're when they end, they're together, but, like, it's It's like early phase relationship.
[:[00:39:01] Drew: undoubtedly blows it. Yeah, he has to. Can you imagine living with that guy? No.
[:[00:39:08] Drew: Like, and then throw the kid? There's no way he doesn't make some joke about the kid being sick and then like But he didn't lock the door.
[:[00:39:18] Kyle: It's true.
[:[00:39:20] Kyle: He changes. At
[:[00:39:22] Kyle: just changes.
[:[00:39:24] That's a fair point. Yeah, I'm going SOP on that one. You go.
[:[00:39:27] Kyle: still thinking on this one. I agree. Just even [00:39:30] hearing you say that, it just reminded me, like, it's not a flaw with the movie, but it's definitely like the flaw with the logic in the movie. Like, yeah, this is great. What a romantic, beautiful story.
[:[00:39:54] Drew: and then it doesn't Helen's mom live with them Yeah, so does she move in with him?
[:[00:40:02] Kyle: It just can't work. At least you had to bring the cow At least Tiffany and Pat have almost like, they're crazy in different ways, but it's, it's like an equal level of output.
[:[00:40:14] Which one's longer? I don't know. I'll say silver linings just because they're roughly the same age. Like there are far fewer factors there that would cause a wedge. There's, there's a lot working against that relationship and as good as it gets. Like a lot. Yeah. This was something that I was wondering [00:40:30] and I thought maybe, maybe I missed it.
[:[00:40:46] Music: they do.
[:[00:41:00] Drew: even as a viewer I mean, I knew because we had paired this up and we talked about why these movies match up I knew going in there was some mental illness some ocd stuff going going on But I didn't I don't think I would have connected it super early.
[:[00:41:25] Phil: Agreed, yeah.
[:[00:41:28] He's just an asshole [00:41:30] and he's way older
[:[00:41:48] Such a Philly movie. I
[:[00:41:50] Kyle: like
[:[00:41:53] Phil: Melvin,
[:[00:41:54] Phil: you start. I think Philly and Silver Linings was more of a character than New York was. I mean, so [00:42:00] much of Silver Linings was based on Philly culture and the Italian vibe up there and like, it felt like Philadelphia, you know, the whole Eagles.
[:[00:42:21] Drew: yeah, that's well said I'll go with that too.
[:[00:42:30] Kyle: The only, and I agree, and I think the Philly thing is so, we've talked about it so embedded here. I've listened to some stuff about this movie about, from people from Philadelphia, about how the skies, like the gray skies and the concrete, like a lot of people from there said this was a Philly movie through and through.
[:[00:42:59] And [00:43:00] he's, I mean, he's a novelist. I guess that's where you want to live if you're like a famous novelist. But you know, it's, it's still very odd. But I do love that he's in New York. He's having to skip all these cracks. And then Verdell starts to skip the cracks. Like, I do love that. So, uh, man, it is a, uh, so, the playbook is working on as good as it gets here.
[:[00:43:29] Phil: [00:43:30] There was something about Silver. What did Bradley Cooper, what was his deal? Yeah, bipolar and manic depressive. How did I miss that? But he seemed like far more capable of rational thought than, uh, Udall was. Yeah, Melvin seems confined. I mean, Udall actually is pretty dead on with the rational thought. He just doesn't have a filter.
[:[00:43:51] Drew: for the not stepping on tiles.
[:[00:43:59] He's [00:44:00] not
[:[00:44:05] Kyle: Alright, that one goes as good as it gets. So it's 4 2, doesn't matter, last one. This was a Phil category and I cannot wait to do this one. Best pet. Verdell or Julia Stiles character, her The wife.
[:[00:44:27] Drew: That's a funny part of that movie. It is.
[:[00:44:35] Phil: Oh yeah, Verdel like, doesn't do what he's told, he goes to the wrong homeboy's got bacon in his pants and he's still going to the other guy, like, he's just out to break hearts and piss people off.
[:[00:44:45] Kyle: Yeah, I go Ronnie. I'm a big dog guy. And Ronnie's a big dog.
[:[00:44:50] Kyle: with this? No, no, I am a big dog guy and when I see little tiny dogs like that, like, just taking that much screen time. By the way, SideRando, they use Siri. seven different dogs to play Verdel. Really?
[:[00:45:02] Phil: the Olsen twins. Yeah, I guess. That
[:[00:45:04] Phil: like that.
[:[00:45:17] Johnny Depp rip off, um, the guy that beats the sh*t out of him. It looks exactly. Oh yeah. You're right. He is. He was. He looks like discount Johnny Depp. He totally does. Like if Johnny, if you spilled milk on a picture of [00:45:30] Johnny Depp, that's what it would look like. Discount Depp. He's
[:[00:45:33] Kyle: Depp. Yeah, who'd you go?
[:[00:45:37] Phil: I guess if you're gonna, like, be a person who's all about that control vibe, then, you know, the husband was a pretty good pet. He just did, did what he wanted. Anytime he had something sideways to say, he like, said it under his breath or pulled someone off to the side. He was a little b*tch, you know.
[:[00:46:06] Better pet? Dude, I mean, nobody wants a pet with the balls, so the guy. Even though it was a very exaggerated version. I just did not
[:[00:46:18] Kyle: Even though this was obviously a very disrespectful and exaggerated version, every man can relate to like your bro's wife running through the upgrades and the house stuff, and maybe it's just me.
[:[00:46:31] Drew: is that new wallpaper? I'm like, I don't give a sh*t. I don't know. We've redecorated our entire house in the past. Like Kyle walks in, it doesn't notice. Whereas if we move a lamp. Phil will be like, yeah, you moved that I just that was six inches over last
[:[00:46:44] I just do not care about that stuff. Like I do not care So I would be an awful. I would be an awful husband in that situation, but it's five to two damn silver linings But the it's the scorecard's wonky man. It has nothing to do two great films Thank you came in and just [00:47:00] beat the f*ck now. I kind of wish I wish I had a category for skeet man for the discount.
[:[00:47:06] Phil: from the window
[:[00:47:18] Drew: can we knock on them?
[:[00:47:20] Kyle: Minis. Shorts. Shorts. Shorts. We got new shorts coming out that we, nine inches minis right above the knee. Yeah. This discount movie or no? No. Get
[:[00:47:32] Kyle: Yeah. Yes. Amazing. But anyway. The Italian y'all go make sure your cars are locked. Make sure the lights are off.
[:[00:47:39] Phil: Yes, it's true. Lock those doors. Phil's waiting for you outside. From window to the
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