BONUS! Moneyball with Nathan Owens!
Join Kyle as he welcomes his friend and hilarious Atlanta-based comedian, Nathan Owens, to celebrate the release of Nathan's new comedy special "Possum Daddy," available everywhere! Their conversation dives deep into the film "Moneyball," exploring how it uniquely blends humor and drama while tackling the complexities of baseball through a numbers-driven lens. Nathan shares his perspective on the film's portrayal of sports and the authenticity of its characters, emphasizing how it captures the essence of the game. As they discuss the strengths of the film, they also reflect on the challenges of making sports movies that resonate with both fans and non-fans alike. With plenty of laughter and insights, this episode is a must-listen for comedy lovers and sports enthusiasts alike!
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Celebrating the release of Nathan Owens' new comedy special, "Possum Daddy," Kyle invites his friend and Atlanta-based comedian to delve into the world of sports and film. The episode kicks off with the duo discussing Nathan's journey in comedy, including his experiences recording his specials in unique venues. As avid sports fans, they seamlessly transition into a thorough discussion of the film "Moneyball," a narrative that intertwines baseball with the innovative strategies of Billy Beane and the Oakland Athletics. Nathan shares his insights on how the film portrays the human side of sports, emphasizing the importance of recognizing athletes as individuals rather than mere statistics. The conversation reveals the complexities and pressures faced by players and coaches alike, all while maintaining a humorous undertone that showcases Nathan's comedic prowess.
The episode further explores the creative decisions behind "Moneyball," such as the minimal use of reenacted game footage and the reliance on actual historical footage. Kyle and Nathan highlight how this approach enhances the authenticity of the film, allowing viewers to connect more deeply with the characters and their struggles. Nathan provides a unique perspective as a sports fan, expressing his appreciation for the film's ability to balance statistical analysis with emotional storytelling. They dive into the cast's performances, particularly Brad Pitt and Jonah Hill, and how their dynamic adds depth to the film's narrative. The discussion culminates in a critique of the film's portrayal of sports culture and its impact on viewers, making it clear that "Moneyball" transcends traditional sports movies by appealing to a broader audience.
As the conversation wraps up, Kyle and Nathan reflect on the importance of supporting local comedy scenes, especially in Atlanta, where Nathan has made a significant impact as a performer. They encourage listeners to check out Nathan's new special and to engage with the comedy community in their area. The episode serves as a reminder of the intersection between sports and entertainment, showcasing how films like "Moneyball" can resonate with both sports enthusiasts and casual viewers alike. With laughter and insightful commentary, Kyle and Nathan create a memorable listening experience that celebrates friendship, comedy, and the love of sports.
Takeaways:
- Nathan Owens discusses the unique challenges and experiences of recording his comedy specials.
- The podcast celebrates Nathan's new special 'Possum Daddy,' highlighting his comedic journey.
- Moneyball is analyzed not just as a sports film, but as a character study.
- The importance of authenticity in both sports and film is emphasized throughout the episode.
- Kyle and Nathan explore how baseball's timelessness makes it a prime subject for storytelling.
- The chemistry between the hosts adds depth to their commentary on sports and comedy.
Companies mentioned in this episode:
- Dodgers
- Braves
- A's
- Angels
- Nate Bargatze
- Netflix
- Walmart
- Amazon
- Temple University
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Kyle:Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Movie wars podcast.
Kyle:I have a very special episode lined up.
Kyle:Little bit of a bonus episode.
Kyle:I've got a dear friend, a hilarious comedian based out of Atlanta.
Kyle:We are celebrating the release of his second comedy special, my friend, Nathan Owens.
Kyle:What's going on, buddy?
Nathan Owens:Hey, man, it is fantastic to be here.
Nathan Owens:I'm so excited.
Nathan Owens:Thanks for intro on the part, like with the, with the special to do.
Nathan Owens:I'm really excited about it.
Kyle:Let's go right into it.
Kyle:Let's talk about it.
Kyle:Your first one is called Humid Human.
Nathan Owens: Brand Human, recorded that in: Nathan Owens:So did it up at JJ's Bohemia in Chattanooga, which I don't know if you perform there, but it's a wildly weird room.
Nathan Owens:But it's so much fun.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:Looks great.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:The first one was.
Nathan Owens:Was incredible.
Nathan Owens:Can't believe I got that.
Nathan Owens:And then the second one we recorded in September, so happy to get that out.
Nathan Owens:Recorded it here in Atlanta.
Nathan Owens:We did it on a soundstage which just gave us control of everything.
Nathan Owens:So like that was, that was.
Nathan Owens:It was fun, but it was also wild to be like, hey, what do you want in your background?
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:I was just like, oh, I don't.
Nathan Owens:I don't know.
Nathan Owens:I had to figure out.
Nathan Owens:I was like, what is important to me.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:You never had a thought about you?
Nathan Owens:I never thought like the most I think about is the most personalization you get in most stand up shows is maybe you get asked, what song do you want?
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:And I always.
Nathan Owens:That that question always does freak me out because I'm like, I can't pick something that's like putting a target on my back.
Nathan Owens:But you still want to pick something with.
Nathan Owens:I mean, have you.
Nathan Owens:Do you have a go to if people ask you before shows?
Nathan Owens:Like a song you want to be brought?
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:What song do you want?
Kyle:I got like a rotation.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:I've got like three.
Kyle:And it depends on like how bad that day was.
Kyle:And they get more angry and depressing.
Kyle:You know, it's like, it's like on a good day it's Queen, but it's on a bad day it's like, can you play corn?
Kyle:Like, is corn.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:Is that allowed here?
Nathan Owens:Can we subconsciously upset the audience before I even walk out?
Nathan Owens:Like, that would be great.
Kyle:I don't even care if laugh today I'm angry.
Nathan Owens:This is all for me.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:I don't know.
Nathan Owens:I don't know how quickly these go out.
Nathan Owens:And I know people say that on podcasts all the Time, which is.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:But coming out on.
Nathan Owens:It's tomorrow when we record this, but January 17th.
Nathan Owens: th,: Kyle:Awesome.
Nathan Owens:So go.
Nathan Owens:Go check it out.
Kyle:Yeah, it will be.
Kyle:It will be a little past, but we'll be tagging your special.
Kyle:Make sure you send me those links.
Nathan Owens:Look, the Internet's forever, so I don't.
Nathan Owens:I really do not care when people watch it, as long as they watch it permanently.
Nathan Owens:Just.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, it's never going away.
Kyle:And watch the first one, too.
Kyle:The first one's fantastic.
Kyle:You know, like I said, not only is Nathan one of the funniest people out there, he's also one of the most fun to work with.
Kyle:Like, you vote.
Kyle:You're just amicable.
Kyle:Good dude.
Kyle:So I recommend that if you're in the Atlanta, we do have a big Atlanta, Georgia, contingency.
Kyle:So if you're listening to this and you haven't supported that scene is incredible.
Kyle:You know, I've met.
Kyle:I've met, you know, a lot of the folks that, you know, you run around with.
Kyle:I've met several times, done a couple of shows as Amy's with some folks from Atlanta, and just incredible scene, incredible people, and you're.
Kyle:You're an essential part of that pack.
Nathan Owens:It's.
Nathan Owens:It's such a fun scene.
Nathan Owens:And also, like, I.
Nathan Owens:I think Nashville has become, like, such a rising.
Nathan Owens:It's, like, gotten so fast.
Nathan Owens:It's gotten so good so fast.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Like, I'm going into my 12th year doing stand up or maybe my 13th year, and, like, everything's changed, obviously, so much in a decade.
Nathan Owens:But, like, I think one of the biggest things is, like, I think Nashville is becoming, like, one of the premier comedy cities.
Nathan Owens:I mean, that's where everybody wants to stop when they're coming through.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Like, it's.
Nathan Owens:It's.
Nathan Owens:It's becoming a really fun spot on the map nationwide.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Place to be.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:In addition to some of the comedians that have, you know, risen through the ranks here, we have comedians moving from other places here.
Kyle:Like, you know, Steve Byrne, I think, lives in Nashville now.
Kyle:You know, Nate lives around somewhere.
Kyle:Like, you know, it's just crazy.
Kyle:Like, it's just crazy.
Nathan Owens:You and.
Nathan Owens:You and you and Nate aren't neighbors.
Nathan Owens:You guys don't live down the street.
Kyle:Yeah, yeah.
Kyle:You know, there was a place like, you know, he could have bought over here, but, you know, I was a little surrounded by people.
Kyle:And then, you know, he did his ninth, you know, Netflix special and, you know, and was on Fallon for the 15th time and it was just, it was getting a little claustrophobic.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, I, you know, once you sell out a stadium tour nationwide, you kind of do want to, you want a backyard.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:Once you're like, do I do Madison Square Garden or do I, you know, which, which, which traditional arena am I going for this week?
Kyle:You know?
Nathan Owens:Yeah, yeah, don't, don't change the carpet yet because I'm, I'm selling out and I'm doing another record breaking crowd next month, so.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:Yeah, check out.
Nathan Owens:Nice.
Kyle:Check out Nathan's special.
Kyle:So stop thinking about Nate and check out Nathan's special.
Kyle:Don't get them confused here.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:If you, if you like Nate bargazi and you're like, man, what if, what if it was worse?
Nathan Owens:Then you'll love, you'll love my special.
Kyle:No, man, no, it's, no, it's, it's all.
Kyle:I mean, yeah, maybe.
Kyle:I don't know.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, there's some subjective.
Nathan Owens:There's some, yeah, you can be subjective a little bit in comedy.
Nathan Owens:And then there's other times.
Nathan Owens:You're like, yeah, no, that's, that's one of the greatest of all time.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:I'm thinking inwardly now, I'm like, where am I at?
Kyle:Like, where am I at?
Nathan Owens:That's a fun, fun conversation to have.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:Especially by yourself.
Kyle:Like in the shower, you're just like, your head's hanging low.
Kyle:Just like, where am I at in life?
Nathan Owens:Where am I at?
Kyle:Like, physically, I know where I'm at.
Kyle:I'm in the shower.
Kyle:But metaphysically speaking, I don't know where I'm at.
Nathan Owens:Wise.
Nathan Owens:Where path, what path am I on?
Kyle:What's my journey?
Kyle:I wish I was like the younger kids, you know, like, because, you know, like, I sound so old now.
Kyle:I'm 37, though.
Kyle:I have four kids.
Kyle:And like, you know, I, I, when I meet younger comedians, like, it's like vibes, you know, they talk about vibes and, and good feelings and like, you ever.
Kyle:You just talk.
Kyle:I don't know, maybe you, you do like vibes.
Kyle:I don't, I don't understand vibes.
Nathan Owens:You know, I, I feel like vibes are something that I, I know it.
Nathan Owens:I'm on a delay with vibes, so somebody can be like, you know, vibes are here.
Nathan Owens:And I'm like, probably.
Nathan Owens:And then about 10 minutes late, 10 minutes later, I'm like, oh, that was a good vibe.
Nathan Owens:But yeah, I just, it takes a little bit more buffering for me.
Kyle:Yeah, vibes, it's like, it's like streaming a really like high definition 4K movie to your, your smart TV.
Kyle: hundred dollars at Walmart in: Kyle:You know, those are your vibes.
Kyle:It's like Matt Damon saying something.
Nathan Owens:I'm sure the Martian is great, but it took me four and a half hours to watch it.
Kyle:So once he hit the poo part, it was just over.
Nathan Owens:You know, I thought he was in Arizona.
Nathan Owens:That's how tough it was to watch that movie.
Nathan Owens:No idea.
Kyle:Wow, it's just hot.
Kyle:Oh, yeah.
Nathan Owens:He's wind like, take the helmet off, man.
Nathan Owens:You know, get, yeah, get some fresh air in there.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:What are you, what are you panicking about?
Nathan Owens:There's a Walmart a half hour away.
Kyle:Yeah, yeah.
Kyle:I hear Scottsdale's nice.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Kyle:Well, we are talking about another movie today and we, we kicked it around like, you know, when we were trying to.
Kyle:Even before your specials, like, oh, we got to get you on.
Kyle:And I knew we were going to do something sports because you have, and you can go into it, but you have, you know, you're really involved in the Atlanta sports scene.
Kyle:You're always posting stuff and talking about it.
Kyle:You go to the games, man, and you rode the Kirk Cousins wave as much as you could.
Nathan Owens:And involved is maybe the nicest way to put it when it comes to my relationship with sports.
Nathan Owens:Like, yeah, I feel like that's saying, like a stalker is involved.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:You know, they're, they're involved.
Nathan Owens:You know how they get really sad from far away.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, that's how involved I am with.
Kyle:But yeah, yeah, that's why I'm glad to be far away from Dallas because, you know, you know, I can, I can cry from afar, you know.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:And unfortunately, sports fans on the Internet are so much more fun to deal with.
Nathan Owens:So you get that when you don't have the in person community.
Nathan Owens:So that's, that's a lot of fun.
Kyle:They are so nice.
Kyle:They are so nice.
Kyle:They really are.
Kyle:Not, not irrational at all.
Kyle:Just really nice.
Nathan Owens:Just really nice things always in perspective.
Nathan Owens:It's a great, it's a great time.
Nathan Owens:Head over to your favorite team's Reddit for just a good, just a good time.
Kyle:Get banned tonight.
Kyle:That's your goal.
Nathan Owens:I did get banned after the Braves won the World Series.
Nathan Owens:I got banned from Twitter for 24 hours because I told Joe Buck to walk into traffic, which I didn't Think was that threatening?
Nathan Owens:I thought that was kind of funny because it was.
Nathan Owens:It was after Freddie Freeman hit a home run.
Nathan Owens:And Joe Buck, of course, who has to make himself bigger than every game that he's.
Nathan Owens:That he does.
Nathan Owens:He was like, oh, well, one must question, is this the last swing we ever see from Freddie Freeman in a Braves uniform?
Nathan Owens:I was like, what are you doing right now, man?
Nathan Owens:We are so happy.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:And you're just like, but how long are you gonna be happy?
Nathan Owens:And I was like, that's the most Joe Buck thing he could have done.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Told her to go play in traffic.
Nathan Owens:I don't.
Nathan Owens:I mean, I.
Nathan Owens:I don't know how many bourbons I had.
Nathan Owens:Had at that point as well.
Kyle:So I just imagine.
Kyle:I just imagining like.
Kyle:Like his hair plugs are actually like steel.
Kyle:Like they're attached to, like, his body's like an endoskeleton, like Terminator.
Kyle:And like, they actually start from the hair plugs.
Kyle:And if he did get hit by a car walking in traffic, the car would, like, dent around his body and he would be fine.
Nathan Owens:Yes, he would.
Nathan Owens:He would absolutely be fine.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:His ego protects him.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:And his dad will save him.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Kyle:You know.
Kyle:You know, or would.
Kyle:Oh, sorry.
Kyle:That was a little dark.
Nathan Owens:That's been his.
Nathan Owens:That's been his career path up to this point anyway.
Kyle:They.
Kyle:They do do that, man.
Kyle:Like, it's like.
Kyle:It's like if on your wedding day, your uncle, like, you're like, really happy, like, you're excited, you're married, you know, finally you met your.
Kyle:Your wife and your uncle, like, gives a speeches, like, what.
Kyle:What day do you think you're going to die?
Kyle:Like, do you guys ever wonder, like, when are you gonna die?
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:You guys looked up the divorce rate in the state you live in.
Kyle:Really?
Nathan Owens:Country.
Nathan Owens:Specifically the state you're in.
Kyle:Your county.
Kyle:Your county's broken, man.
Kyle:You know?
Nathan Owens:Have you talked to the pastor?
Nathan Owens:He's done seven divorces this year.
Kyle:Yeah, he's.
Nathan Owens:He doesn't have great stats.
Kyle:He's retiring.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:Yeah, it is funny, man.
Kyle:So, I mean.
Kyle:Yeah, speaking of baseball, we're doing Moneyball.
Nathan Owens:Yes.
Kyle:And this is.
Kyle:This is an interesting movie.
Kyle:I've designed a few categories to kind of help us dissect this movie.
Kyle:I mean, I won't get.
Kyle:I won't reveal it now, but, you know, Nathan and I were, like, looking at the list, like, according to Rotten Tomatoes, and you see where this movie falls, and it's a good movie.
Kyle:It's a.
Kyle:It's a great movie.
Kyle:I'LL say that for me personally, it's great.
Kyle:I'm not saying it's great across all cinema, but for me it's a great sports movie to watch.
Kyle:But when I saw where it fell on the list and we'll talk about it later, I was a little shocked.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Kyle:Little shocked.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:I think it's, I think it's very underrated.
Nathan Owens:Overall, I don't think it's talked about enough when you talk about sports movies because it's not necessarily focused on what happens on the field.
Nathan Owens:Like there's very few sports movies that have like that behind the scenes feel to them.
Nathan Owens:So I think it gets lost a little bit in that.
Nathan Owens:But I mean, I don't, I don't want to give too much away.
Nathan Owens:It is my number one sports movie of all time.
Kyle:I love that.
Kyle:I love that.
Nathan Owens:Like, yeah, I, I cannot, I cannot think of a movie that's a sports movie that's, that's better, in my opinion.
Kyle:I'd love to hear if you agree with this too.
Kyle:I, I, I'm trying to like process, like when I was preparing for this, like my favorite sports movies.
Kyle:What, what like, are the common attributes.
Kyle:I think this movie attracts people that are not sports fans.
Kyle:Like I meet a lot of non sports fans that like this movie.
Kyle:It's pretty wild.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Because I mean, at the end of the day it's a workplace drama in like a very weird way because it is like, it's all behind the scenes stuff.
Nathan Owens:It's all interpersonal relationships.
Nathan Owens:Like it's quarterly analysis.
Nathan Owens:Like it, like it really is.
Nathan Owens:Like you watch the way like Billy Beane has to.
Nathan Owens:I mean, I don't know how much we want to jump into it right now, but right in you.
Nathan Owens:But you watch like how Billy Bean changes and how he realizes he's got to deal with players like their people.
Nathan Owens:Like he almost goes through a process that I think every sports fan has to go through as they get older where they're just like, oh, these are people.
Nathan Owens:And I forget that.
Nathan Owens:And then yeah, it's, I don't think there's a better representation of what goes on for a baseball team.
Kyle:Right.
Nathan Owens:And if you listen to any baseball media, like everything that they're making fun of in this movie still happens and still gets talked about.
Nathan Owens:And that's what I think is absolutely fascinating is that baseball is literally being told it's a dinosaur in this movie and they're just like, fantastic.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, who doesn't love dinosaurs?
Nathan Owens:There's seven Jurassic park movies.
Nathan Owens:Like, they're they love it and I don't.
Nathan Owens:And this is.
Nathan Owens:Anytime you want to do a double feature with this movie, I would say watch Moneyball or watch Moneyball in Trouble with the Curve because Trouble with the Curve.
Nathan Owens:Not as good of a movie by any stretch.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:But it is like everything that Moneyball makes fun of.
Nathan Owens:Trouble with the Curve is like the.
Nathan Owens:You nerd.
Nathan Owens:How dare you think a computer can tell you anything.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:And it's.
Nathan Owens:So if you want to find Salty Sweet Double feature, put.
Nathan Owens:Put those back to back.
Nathan Owens:And yeah, get Brad Pitt telling you how great computers are and then Clint Eastwood telling you the computers are never right.
Nathan Owens:It's.
Nathan Owens:It's fantastic.
Kyle:That's incredible.
Kyle:The Nathan Owens guarantee on the, on the double.
Nathan Owens:If I could package those DVDs together, that's.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Kyle:You remember back in the day too, like they would.
Kyle:Like when you would go to Walmart and the, the.
Kyle:The Dollar Bin would randomly.
Kyle:And it.
Kyle:Sometimes you'd see the most random movies combined.
Kyle:You know, it's like the Green Mile and the Green Lantern.
Kyle:Is this like, is this just because we're both green here?
Kyle:I mean, those are odd stories.
Nathan Owens:With a special look at the Green Hornet.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:What do we have rights to?
Nathan Owens:What can we sell?
Kyle:Just what's green?
Nathan Owens:Anything.
Nathan Owens:What's green?
Nathan Owens:Anything that's green.
Kyle:Oh, yeah.
Kyle:You know, you actually hit on a really interesting point though, that kind of made me think of this too.
Kyle:Like baseball specifically.
Kyle:There's two points I had.
Kyle:First of all, I love what you said because the problems that this movie addresses, like besides the dinosaur thing, is that the way players are scouted is a very real thing and it's only.
Kyle:It's really specific to baseball as a team sport.
Kyle:Now.
Kyle:Tennis players, gymnast Olympians, you know, like they.
Kyle:As individuals, yes, they do get.
Kyle:They do get approached at a young age and they begin very young.
Kyle:But baseball as a team sport compared to the NFL.
Kyle:You know, the NFL doesn't go out and get young kids and give them big deals and you know, basketball really doesn't.
Kyle:I mean, yeah, they can take younger high school kids, but basketball doesn't, by and large.
Kyle:I mean, maybe there's back end deals, but baseball, this is a very specific thing that happens there.
Kyle:So.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, and I think it's like, it's weird.
Nathan Owens:It's weird watching how baseball works because you look and you see of like the.
Nathan Owens:When.
Nathan Owens:When Billy Bean's getting recruited.
Nathan Owens:So in all the flashbacks and they kind of break down the.
Nathan Owens:You can go to college or you could take this deal like that Kind of stuff of like I can, I can't imagine being a 17 year old kid basically being told like, you're gonna make or break your career right down.
Nathan Owens:Which is never true.
Nathan Owens:Like so often guys hit their prime in baseball especially is like 25 to 29.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Like you get that massive contract usually.
Nathan Owens:I mean, that could be changing soon.
Nathan Owens:But the late end of your twenties and so you think as a sixteen year old kid being told like this is when you have to make your decision, when you should be being told you're not gonna hit your prime for another decade.
Nathan Owens:If you go to school, you'll recover.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:And that's just so, so interesting to watch that.
Nathan Owens:Especially with all the nil stuff that's going on now in college sports where you just say, yeah, baseball's been messed up for a while.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:And it's wild.
Kyle:Yeah, it's wild.
Kyle:Second thought I had too is this movie is one of the, kind of the first, it doesn't lean into the mercurial.
Kyle:It doesn't lean into the majestic nature.
Kyle:Like so many of the most beloved baseball movies have some supernatural element.
Kyle:It's almost like they couldn't do a baseball movie unless there's angels in the outfield or a ghost or, you know, it's, you know, spirits or the, you know, a big dog in a, in a trailer park.
Kyle:You know, it's like there's always got to be some weird.
Kyle:This movie is baseball.
Kyle:And it is, it's.
Kyle:It is, it's baseball.
Nathan Owens:It's.
Nathan Owens:It's baseball.
Nathan Owens:And it's the ugliest, boringest part of baseball, which is the numbers and the like behind the scenes stuff.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Because I, because I think Moneyball, like, it not only doesn't add any, any like fantasy, it's though it's the, it's the aspect of baseball that people think is the most boring, which is not the actual on the field stuff, but like the numbers behind it.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:In the senate, like the things that like baseball nerds love because we do need to use the term nerd a lot more when it comes to sports fans.
Nathan Owens:Because that's what.
Nathan Owens:Especially baseball people.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:But yeah, there's somebody who like plays fantasy baseball, like has always loved the numbers behind it.
Nathan Owens:Like there's something.
Nathan Owens:And when you think about it though, there is something mystical at times about the numbers.
Nathan Owens:Like If a guy's hitting 300 and they're over 3 and coming up to bat, you're like, oh, well, they're due.
Nathan Owens:And there's like some.
Nathan Owens:So there's something fun about that.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:And it's like now.
Nathan Owens:Now, that's when the magic keeps.
Nathan Owens:Or like, when you see.
Nathan Owens:You know, I hate that I keep bringing it up, but Freddie Freeman's grand slam in this World Series, there's something so magical about that moment that you can't exactly get.
Nathan Owens:Like, the fact that people are getting tattoos of it.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:And it wasn't.
Nathan Owens:It wasn't a game deciding, like, Earth series deciding home run like it was.
Nathan Owens:But there's something magical about that moment, and I think that's what baseball captures more than anything else.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Is like, moments land so well because you're running the bases or, like, when you strike a guy out, you got to get another guy.
Nathan Owens:Time to come up to the place you have a chance to celebrate and take it in.
Nathan Owens:Like, I think there's just.
Nathan Owens:There's so much normalcy in baseball that creates so many magical moments that whenever anybody complains that it's boring or that they don't like it, I'm like, oh, you just don't.
Nathan Owens:You don't speak the language of it.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Like, a conversation in a language that I don't speak is going to not interest me every time.
Nathan Owens:So I understand people who haven't been raised with baseball missing a lot of the nuance of it, but that's what I think was amazing about Moneyball, is that it made the nuance digestible for everybody.
Nathan Owens:And.
Nathan Owens:And that's.
Nathan Owens:That's why I think it's the best sports movie of all time.
Nathan Owens:Because, yeah, baseball is dying in America and Moneyball, I was.
Nathan Owens:Was it up for best picture, if I remember correctly.
Nathan Owens:Like, I know Jonah Hill was up.
Kyle:He got nominations, supporting actor, all that.
Nathan Owens:So it's like to get all those nominations be almost intentionally the boringest sports movie of all time.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:Yeah, dude, totally agree.
Kyle:And I just think I'm like.
Kyle:Aside from Moneyball, I'm actually just like, a giant Brad Pit fan.
Kyle:And I love watching this.
Kyle:This arc of his career because the older he gets, the more range and kind of these interesting characters he takes on.
Kyle:And this was such an interesting role.
Kyle:I loved watching him, you know, play Billy Bean and this kind of defeated.
Kyle:But, you know, in some terms, you could look at him as a guy who, you know, who.
Kyle:Who was successful because, yeah, I mean, yeah, he may have failed in mlb, but he still was gifted.
Kyle:I mean, he still has an incredible story, but he doesn't see it that way.
Kyle:You know, he's betrayed.
Kyle:He's.
Kyle:He's bitter and jaded.
Kyle:Towards the game.
Kyle:And I love how Brad Pitt plays that off.
Kyle:And I think my favorite part where he.
Kyle:He does that is when he calls Peter or Pete, you know, pack your bags, Pete.
Kyle:And he calls him.
Kyle:Would you.
Kyle:Would you have taken me in the first round?
Kyle:I was like, whoa.
Kyle:Like that.
Kyle:That's where the movie changed for me.
Kyle:That's when I knew what kind of movie this was.
Kyle:I was like, oh, my God.
Kyle:This is about his.
Kyle:His thing, his baggage.
Kyle:And I.
Kyle:That's one of my favorite moments, because it was like, that was how he decided to hire him because he was honest and pack your bags, Pete.
Kyle:I love that part.
Kyle:I love it.
Nathan Owens:I also.
Nathan Owens:I love a.
Nathan Owens:A justified, petty journey.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:That's not in denial of what it is.
Nathan Owens:Like, there's the scene with him and the head scout where the guy's like, all right, one scout got it wrong 20 years ago, and now you're on this crusade against all of us, and you're kind of like, yeah, like, he.
Nathan Owens:And he doesn't deny it.
Nathan Owens:He doesn't go like, oh, you're wrong.
Nathan Owens:He just.
Nathan Owens:He.
Nathan Owens:I mean, he brushes it off a little bit and.
Nathan Owens:But you're going like, oh, no.
Nathan Owens:He's being called out for kind of what he is doing.
Nathan Owens:And what did change a lot of baseball?
Nathan Owens:I mean, you look at the teams that have won since then, at least they're.
Nathan Owens:You know, they mentioned the Red Sox did it with the system, and then the Rangers took it a step further a couple years ago where they literally basically had AI Help them build their roster.
Kyle:Wow.
Nathan Owens:And it put.
Nathan Owens:And that's.
Nathan Owens:And so they.
Nathan Owens:They Moneyballed.
Nathan Owens:Moneyball.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Like, is this.
Nathan Owens:So you see where he changed the game?
Nathan Owens:And in that moment where almost any other movie would have probably led to a big speech about how.
Nathan Owens:It's not about that.
Nathan Owens:Or he just.
Nathan Owens:He's like, yeah, yeah, so get out of the way.
Nathan Owens:Like, that's exactly what I'm doing.
Kyle:That's a dapt or die dude.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:I just.
Nathan Owens:I love that scene so much.
Kyle:A question I have for you as a baseball fan.
Kyle:Like, so you kind of.
Kyle:It sounds like you kind of grew up with it.
Kyle:You understand it.
Kyle:I'm like a big NFL fan.
Kyle:I've kind of surface level with baseball.
Kyle:I mean, it's.
Kyle:I enjoy it, but it's not.
Kyle:I'm not as deep on it.
Kyle:Are these.
Kyle:Are these scouts?
Kyle:Are they.
Kyle:Were they really that crusty like that hearing aids and blindness and, you know, old and horrible haircuts?
Kyle:Like, the whole bag, baby.
Kyle:It Was these guys were crusty.
Nathan Owens:I think like that.
Nathan Owens:And also when you think about the A's as a franchise that I mean the owner and that that's something that has aged so well is him disliking the owner.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Because you saw what I mean.
Nathan Owens:The A's are moving because of the owner and because of how bad he, he is at this.
Nathan Owens:But so yeah, of course they're not just going to have the oldest, crustiest scout.
Nathan Owens:Like they're going to have the guys that he's barely keeping on the payroll.
Nathan Owens:Because you think anybody who wants to outbid the A's for a scout is going to.
Nathan Owens:So any innovation that they had got poached by another team.
Nathan Owens:So maybe it's a dramatized version of that, but I don't think it is.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Because old baseball guys talk, look and sound just like that.
Nathan Owens:And especially the bottom of the barrel for an MLB team.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Where your choices are we're either going to grab guys out of college and be their first job or we're gonna be guys.
Nathan Owens:Sundown and the haze were like we're.
Nathan Owens:We're sundown and everybody in here.
Kyle:I had the dumbest thought watching these guys.
Kyle:I was like, one of these guys is a hoarder.
Kyle:Like someone, someone, one of these guys, like their house is gonna get condemned.
Kyle:Like that's how crusty I thought.
Kyle:Like someone's got 17, 000 pizza boxes stacked up in a bathroom with insects building homes inside of them.
Kyle:Like one of these guys is going to be on the Hoarder show.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens: there's a scorecard from the: Nathan Owens:He just has to figure it out.
Kyle:That was the last time he had a good pick.
Kyle:That was the last time he got, he got a good player.
Kyle: You know,: Nathan Owens:He got, that Papa John's box reminds him of, of Shifty McGregor.
Nathan Owens:The best, the best left handed center fielder he's ever seen.
Kyle:Oh God.
Kyle:I have a, I have a bit that I do because I have this racist grandpa that hates basketball.
Kyle:Because the bit's just kind of about how he, he thinks basketball is for black people and the NFL is not somehow, even though the statistics are very, very opposed to that 70% he's talking.
Nathan Owens:About kickers and linemen.
Kyle:Yeah, just, just a couple of big boys out there.
Nathan Owens:But just you either.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, you better be able to kick it a mile or just be from Iowa.
Nathan Owens:One of Those corn fed boys.
Kyle:And you saying that name remind.
Kyle: hinking of the NFL during the: Kyle:You know.
Nathan Owens:Here'S, here's how easy sports used to be.
Nathan Owens:And I'm, I'm a baseball fan that if I'm honest, I have zero respect for anything old in baseball.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, like, I'm sure Babe Ruth could hit the ball great in today's game.
Nathan Owens:He's Prince Fielder.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, like, but yeah, I, you can tell that sports were easier because we haven't had like a president that played sports in a while.
Nathan Owens:But then like in the 60s and 70s, every president was a Division 1 athlete.
Nathan Owens:And then since then it was just like, I mean, now, you know, Our presidents are two 90 year old men battling it out.
Nathan Owens:But we, I mean you went through a string with like the 90s and the 80s where it was like dudes that played like Division 1 linebacker and you're.
Nathan Owens:That, that's absolutely gone.
Nathan Owens:So you're like, all right, something did shift.
Kyle:Yeah, I've not thought of that.
Kyle:Is that, is that something you, is that part of your material?
Nathan Owens:No, it's just, I think it's so.
Nathan Owens:Because everybody's always like, well, you know, Gerald Ford played for football for Holy Cross or something.
Nathan Owens:Like Temple.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:But yeah, Temples.
Kyle:Temple's like the go to presidential school for athletes.
Kyle:You just, you just feel that like Temple.
Kyle:He's a Temple owl.
Nathan Owens:It's a temple, man.
Kyle:Dude, that is an amazing observation.
Kyle:That is amazing.
Kyle:Oh my God.
Kyle:Well, before we move on, a couple things to share.
Kyle:Usually want you to share with your friends.
Kyle:Obviously we always say your grandma needs Movie wars.
Kyle:And I know she's older, but she knows who Brad Pitt is.
Kyle:And soon she's going to know who Nathan Owens is.
Kyle:She's going to.
Kyle:When we're going to put the link to the comedy special on our social.
Kyle:We're going to put it in the podcast description.
Kyle:Send it to grandma.
Kyle:She needs it.
Kyle:Yeah, she needs it.
Nathan Owens:Even if you just mute it and walk out of the room, you can, you can tell her I'm a doctor or something that has to talk to her.
Nathan Owens:Just whatever you got to do.
Nathan Owens:Every view is, is valuable.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:So at this stage in my career, every muted.
Nathan Owens:If your grandma's in a nursing home, go into her room and then go as many doors that are unlocked and just turn it on for somebody in there and then just walk out.
Kyle:So what have you audience, what have you done for old people?
Kyle:Like seriously, what have you done?
Nathan Owens:Right?
Kyle:Nothing.
Kyle:I know it's probably nothing.
Nathan Owens:Probably have.
Nathan Owens:Probably haven't even called your grandma today.
Kyle:Yeah, yeah.
Kyle:I don't care if she can't hear you haven't called her.
Nathan Owens:You can FaceTime her.
Kyle:Yeah, yeah, she could.
Nathan Owens:See, she won't pick up.
Nathan Owens:She won't pick up.
Nathan Owens:But you can say I tried.
Kyle:Yeah, yeah.
Kyle:It's cuz she's talking to the TV.
Kyle:You show her FaceTime one time and then she's talking to the TV thinking that the TV's interacting with her.
Nathan Owens:It's just arguing with the weatherman.
Kyle:She's so full of it.
Nathan Owens:You're never right.
Kyle:You'll never work in this town again.
Kyle:Snow.
Kyle:Oh my God.
Kyle:Anyway, share, share with your friends, please, the questions.
Kyle:As a reminder, these are we, you know, these are questions to generate comedic conversation.
Kyle:Because we were comedians, we have comedian guests, but also just to get a little deeper on the movie.
Kyle:So this was the going back to the scouts.
Kyle:The whole time I'm watching this movie, this is the question I'm asking myself.
Kyle:Are you ready?
Kyle:What would you give to be able to talk like the scouts in normal everyday situations?
Kyle:The boardroom work, you know, family gatherings, just talking about the bodies and people's ugly girlfriends and I mean, what would you give?
Kyle:I would give it all.
Nathan Owens:I mean, it's just rewatching Mad Men, right?
Nathan Owens:Like you just add, you add two cigarettes and put them seven stories up.
Nathan Owens:It's every Mad Men episode.
Nathan Owens:Yes, man, they I.
Nathan Owens:Because I've been in a couple jobs with very older people and that talk does not stop with baseball.
Nathan Owens:And there's certain times you almost want to ask some of these older guys be like, hey, have you always thought this much about men's bodies?
Kyle:Jawline?
Nathan Owens:Because yeah, like there's, you're getting real.
Nathan Owens:Like I was telling my wife, I had a boss who was, he was in his 60s, but just very old, very conservative guy.
Nathan Owens:But he always described new hires by their bodies.
Nathan Owens:So I was working in the warehouse and he'd be like, oh, we got it.
Nathan Owens:We got a new guy for the warehouse.
Nathan Owens:Big, big, strong guy.
Nathan Owens:Big, old, big old strong arms, big shoulders, good jaw.
Nathan Owens:And I'm just like, I, I, yeah, I don't Know, man, I don't, I don't think you're living your true self.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:If I'm being honest, right.
Nathan Owens:I think growing up in Louisiana in the 50s might have.
Nathan Owens:Might have stunted some stuff for you emotionally.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:Maybe it's about.
Kyle:Maybe it's something about going to war.
Kyle:You know, they, you know, these folks with the war and they came back, it's just like, that's just how it is.
Nathan Owens:They're just like humans.
Nathan Owens:We're just bodies.
Kyle:That's all we are now, just bodies.
Nathan Owens:We're just meat sacks that get thrown at each other.
Kyle:I love what they're talking about.
Kyle:His jaw.
Kyle:I'm just like, it's so.
Kyle:It's like got a strong jawline.
Kyle:It's like, all right, cool.
Kyle:How's he, how is he hitting?
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:I feel like comedians, we do that in the opposite direction.
Nathan Owens:We're like, the more attractive somebody is, the less we want to laugh at him.
Kyle:Yes.
Nathan Owens:So you could be like, yeah, he's got a good strong jaw, but I bet his bed is fifteens.
Kyle:We.
Nathan Owens:You know, like, he's got broad shoulders.
Nathan Owens:But I bet the first seven minutes of his bit are I know what I look like jokes.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Oh, you just, you don't want to respect attractive comedians.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Present company excluded, of course.
Kyle:Of course.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:We're different, right?
Kyle:We're different.
Kyle:I hope we're different.
Kyle:You're right, dude.
Kyle:Attractive comedians are maddening.
Kyle:They're like actors like, you don't like.
Kyle:What did you get subjected to, to get here to this point where you're up there angry at the world, you.
Nathan Owens:Know, you just showing it, you just showing off at this point.
Kyle:Get off my stage.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:I love, I do love that.
Kyle:That's a real thing.
Kyle:Like it's a world.
Kyle:If you're not a comedian, it's.
Kyle:It's hard to understand, but it's just such a.
Kyle:It's just such a weird, like, not to use the word vibe, but just such a weird through line.
Kyle:It's like you see an attractive person walk in the room to do stand.
Kyle:Be like, you're in the wrong room.
Kyle:We're, we're here casting dispersions.
Kyle:Like, which is.
Nathan Owens:And also just because socially stand up comedy always feels like it's behind like 30 years.
Nathan Owens:Like if you're an attractive man, everybody's like, you're not funny.
Nathan Owens:And if you're attractive woman, everybody's like, why don't I help you write?
Nathan Owens:Yeah, like at.
Nathan Owens:No, no, dude, that's good looking.
Nathan Owens:Has any potential.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Then every attractive woman, you're just like, I bet I could do something with your material.
Nathan Owens:Like, why don't we go grab a drink and talk about.
Nathan Owens:And she's like, why don't you take the hot dude out for a drink?
Nathan Owens:Like he's new to.
Nathan Owens:Like, why aren't you asking him if he needs.
Kyle:There's a lot of ick.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:Car.
Kyle:And there is.
Nathan Owens:But I mean.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:I still feel like though we talk about comics in a similar way where it's so many inside terms.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:When you talk about like laughs per minute and you talk about word economy.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Like I was, I mean, literally after we were, we started editing this set and it was, it was myself and the guy who directed it, David Perdue is another fantastic comic that tried to cut his teeth directing this for me.
Nathan Owens:And so we were talking afterwards and we were watching one of the jokes where I was like, I wish I had picked five instead of four.
Nathan Owens:I was like, since then I've been doing it with five and it's been getting a bigger laugh.
Nathan Owens:And David just goes, that's the dumbest thing you could have possibly focused on.
Nathan Owens:But I think like as comedian, especially when you, when you write a joke and perform it so much that you get so nitpicky.
Nathan Owens:And so there's these dudes that have watched a right handed six foot guy for 30 years and at this point probably do think it comes down to his jawline.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:And you know, there is something to.
Nathan Owens:Better looking guys are more confident and will swing harder.
Nathan Owens:Like there's statistics around that kind of stuff.
Nathan Owens:So it's not, it's like they're right enough to keep them employed.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:I love it.
Nathan Owens:And it's, it's maddening.
Kyle:Like.
Kyle:And he was almost like when he's just throwing the magnetized names at the board, you know, and he's basically.
Kyle:That's him slapping in the face like, nope.
Kyle:And it makes that loud noise.
Kyle:It's just him basically like ruining the entire structure that's been in place for 60 years just right in their face.
Kyle:The guy with the hearing aid is, you know.
Nathan Owens:Because also you think about how young Billy Bean must have been at that point.
Nathan Owens:So these guys weren't probably thrilled with having, you know, a 40 year old GM or I mean, who knows, he could have been in his mid to late 30s at the time.
Nathan Owens:I didn't do the research of when he got hired.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:So you've got this younger guy coming in that, you know, his career was not what people thought it was going to be so everything these guys have been saying about those, they.
Nathan Owens:They know, like, the.
Nathan Owens:The guy who proved them wrong is in the room.
Nathan Owens:Like, that's got away.
Nathan Owens:And then for him to come in and just be like, hey, everything y'all have done is wrong.
Nathan Owens:Like, it's got to be infuriated.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Like, if you get buried by a younger comedian, you just, like, what do you like?
Nathan Owens:I.
Nathan Owens:When you get buried by a guy who's like, two or three years in and you get buried with, like, a technique you didn't.
Nathan Owens:You thought was.
Nathan Owens:But, like, if I get buried by somebody wearing shorts on stage, I.
Nathan Owens:I've almost left shows because where.
Nathan Owens:Because I do.
Nathan Owens:You turn into that old curmudgeon and you're just like, don't.
Nathan Owens:What are you doing up there in shorts?
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:And getting laughs.
Nathan Owens:You can't do that.
Nathan Owens:And so, yeah, there's.
Nathan Owens:There's.
Nathan Owens:I think there's a little bit of that in comedy, and I definitely.
Nathan Owens:I definitely feel it coming out a lot.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:Next question.
Kyle:This is for you because you said this is your.
Kyle:Your.
Kyle:This is your number one sports movie.
Kyle:What does a good sports movie require?
Kyle:Like, what's the list that you're.
Kyle:You're checking off?
Kyle:Like, what are, like, maybe the three or four things besides wearing shorts on stage.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Don't wear shorts on stage.
Nathan Owens:And that's just because you just don't want to distract the audience.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, I was.
Nathan Owens:So what makes a great sports movie like this?
Nathan Owens:It's gonna be real personal, real subjective, but, like, I really gotta care.
Nathan Owens:I need.
Nathan Owens:I also need the accuracy to be there, which is one of my biggest issues with, like, Rudy is nowhere near my top 10 list for sports.
Kyle:Yes.
Nathan Owens:And part of that is because I know that everything is so dramatized where you're just like, none of his teammates really liked him.
Nathan Owens:Like, so there's stuff like that that doesn't age.
Nathan Owens:So, like, I need it to be accurate.
Nathan Owens:I need the story to end the way it should.
Nathan Owens:One of my beefs with, Remember the Titans versus this movie.
Nathan Owens:This movie ends with them being like, yeah, they got.
Nathan Owens:They got bounced from the playoffs.
Nathan Owens:They got bounced from the playoffs, and Billy Bean still hasn't made it.
Nathan Owens:That's.
Nathan Owens:That's how realistically.
Nathan Owens:And then you watch, like, remember the Titans?
Nathan Owens:And you're like, oh, that team beat everybody by a hundred.
Kyle:Mm.
Nathan Owens:Like, I would have been so mad if I'd been on that team and then watched the movie and been like, wait, we didn't struggle at all.
Nathan Owens:Like, on the field.
Nathan Owens:Like.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:All the social stuff.
Nathan Owens:Great.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Accurate per great story.
Nathan Owens:Learn all the lessons you can from that.
Nathan Owens:We might need to bring it back up.
Nathan Owens:Everybody might need to watch it again this year.
Kyle:Yes.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:But then when you're like, they're winning the national or they're winning the high school championship on a last second reverse, and I think they won the championship by like 50 points and you just want to be like, ah.
Nathan Owens:So there's something to.
Nathan Owens:I don't like sacrificing greatness for the sake of a story, but also I know that's me as somebody who cares about the sport.
Nathan Owens:So if you're just trying to get eyeballs.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:You got to do what you gotta.
Nathan Owens:That's why 30 for 30s are fantastic for me because I'm like, yeah, just tell me the story.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:I just want that.
Nathan Owens:But all right.
Nathan Owens:So if I had to go like as real, just top five off the top of my head, I mean, Moneyball is definitely up there.
Nathan Owens:You would have thought that I like, I have this list so much and it's so fluid.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Depending on what I've watched lately, Field of Dreams is fantastic.
Kyle:Oh, yeah.
Nathan Owens:I would say that's in my top.
Nathan Owens:I would say my top five probably is going to be Moneyball.
Nathan Owens:Field of Dreams, White man can't jump.
Nathan Owens:I've got Space Jam in my top five.
Nathan Owens:First original of all time.
Nathan Owens:Yes, the original.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:I was hoping I was gonna, I was gonna turn off the show if you said the other one.
Kyle:That just literally just hang up.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:No, and then I think, I mean, look, because it's on this list, I'm putting Cool Runnings in my top.
Kyle:Okay.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Which I, it's so funny.
Nathan Owens:What you think is like, oh, I didn't even think about that being a sports movie.
Nathan Owens:Like Cool Runnings.
Nathan Owens:Dodgeball is on here and then an honorable mention that I don't think gets enough talked.
Nathan Owens:That doesn't get talked about enough is Little Big League.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Which I think is, I think it's better than the sandlot.
Nathan Owens:I think it's better than the Rookie.
Nathan Owens:And if you don't know the story, it's.
Nathan Owens:It's Moneyball.
Nathan Owens:It's.
Nathan Owens:It's Muppet Baby Moneyball.
Nathan Owens:Because it's a child who is some somehow is given the Minnesota Twins.
Nathan Owens:He's a, he's a majority owner of them and he hires himself to be the manager.
Kyle:Oh, wow.
Nathan Owens:And so it's, it's a 10 year old kid managing the Minnesota Twins and it's fantastic.
Kyle:That's awesome.
Kyle:I actually haven't seen that.
Nathan Owens:So many.
Nathan Owens:There's a ton of like early 90s baseball cameos in it.
Nathan Owens:Like, it's, it's, it's, it's like a baseball like Mike, when it comes to that kind of like time capsule of where the sport was that year.
Nathan Owens:So, yeah, Little Big league.
Nathan Owens:Highly, highly recommended, you know, for, for the kids who want to watch Moneyball.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:That's awesome.
Kyle:Great list.
Kyle:I love that.
Kyle:You went right to it, man.
Kyle:I love it.
Kyle:This is the part where we do the randos.
Kyle:And these are just the, you know.
Nathan Owens:Well, I, I want to ask because you're more of a movie person than me, so from a.
Nathan Owens:Just a strictly movie fan perspective, what does it take to get you into a movie about a sport you don't like?
Nathan Owens:Yeah, because I'm very curious about that.
Kyle:Yeah, I, That's a really interesting question because my, my list is sports.
Kyle:Mo definitely veer dramatic, you know, and they're mostly fighting movies.
Kyle:And I do box for exercise now, but like, I'm not, I don't really.
Kyle:I'm trying to get into boxing.
Kyle:It's not the sport it was, so I sometimes will get on a kick where I'll watch old boxing, but I actually got into boxing because of movies.
Kyle:So, you know, I guess you could.
Nathan Owens:That wasn't the Paul brothers.
Nathan Owens:I thought that's who.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, you were saying earlier, Jake Paul's what got you.
Kyle:Yeah, Jake Paul.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:I mean, well, I'm part of his multi level marketing team now.
Kyle:You know, these vitamins that we're slinging, dude, they're, you know, I mean, I had to pay a lot, you know, but it's Jake Paul.
Kyle:You know, I'm not gonna say no.
Nathan Owens:It's.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, yeah, no, right?
Nathan Owens:You can't say yeah.
Kyle:Just slinging vitamins.
Nathan Owens:Proof is in the pudding.
Kyle:Why do they all sling vitamins?
Kyle:That's like first, that's like the first step.
Kyle:Once you make too much money compared to your IQ level and you just.
Nathan Owens:It's just vitamins and energy drink.
Nathan Owens:Because in your mind, that's what smart people sell.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Like, because you're like, well, I'm not, I'm not an idiot.
Nathan Owens:I'm not gonna sell candy like a, like a little girl.
Kyle:You need vitamins.
Nathan Owens:I'm gonna, I'm gonna sell vitamins.
Nathan Owens:Like, man, you see any girl scouts at a gym?
Nathan Owens:No, it's all, it's all big, strong men who look like me.
Nathan Owens:Good bodies.
Nathan Owens:That's what it always comes back to.
Kyle:Good Jawlines.
Nathan Owens:Just good jawlines, good bodies.
Nathan Owens:That's the Jake Paul.
Kyle:Now, if there was a vitamin, four jawlines, I would take it.
Kyle:I.
Kyle:This just.
Kyle:This just needs work.
Kyle:It just.
Nathan Owens:You're.
Nathan Owens:You're preaching to the choir.
Kyle:I've even.
Kyle:I've even lost weight, and I'm still just like.
Kyle:It doesn't matter how much weight, the rest of my body loses.
Kyle:This thing.
Kyle:I don't even understand the shape here.
Kyle:Like, what is.
Kyle:I don't even.
Kyle:What is happening.
Nathan Owens:You know, you gotta.
Nathan Owens:I think maybe you gotta get the thing that, like, it wraps around your head and then that connects to like a dumbbell.
Nathan Owens:Oh, yeah, you can do.
Nathan Owens:Maybe that's what you need to do some net cardio.
Kyle:Yeah, a little good look there.
Kyle:But, yeah, to answer your question, I mean, I.
Kyle:Raging Bull is.
Kyle:Is way up there for me, you know, the wrestler I love.
Kyle:I mean, I love Rocky.
Kyle:And the thing is, is I didn't.
Kyle:I never, like, wanted to watch Rocky.
Kyle:I.
Kyle:I always had this weird.
Kyle:As I was kind of developing as a movie lover and a movie fanatic.
Kyle:Like, I always.
Kyle:I'm a contrarian.
Kyle:So I had to, like, hate the originals, you know, and now I'm, like, obsessed with them.
Kyle:And I finally did, like a huge Rocky binge, like, eight years ago, and now I like, rotate them often.
Kyle:I love them.
Kyle:So I do put Rocky up there.
Kyle:I do put Money Ball in there.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:I.
Kyle:And, you know, I.
Kyle:It's not at the top.
Kyle:I would say that's like four.
Kyle:And then I.
Kyle:I'm sorry, I had.
Kyle:Oh, the Fighter is another one.
Nathan Owens:Okay.
Kyle:Basically one baseball movie and four fighting movies for me.
Nathan Owens:Four fighting movies?
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:And the drama, like, when I watch Moneyball, even though it hasn't necessarily gotten me super into baseball, I think while I'm watching, like, maybe I could get into baseball, you know, and then I look at the schedule, I'm like, holy crap.
Kyle:They play a lot of.
Kyle:It's a lot of games.
Nathan Owens:Too much.
Kyle:A lot of games.
Nathan Owens:Always hot.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:And then they got.
Nathan Owens:You got to work for a team that has a dome.
Kyle:Yeah, yeah.
Kyle:So.
Kyle:But, yeah, that's my list.
Kyle:And it's a good question.
Kyle:You know, I.
Kyle:You know what it takes.
Kyle:Moneyball did that for me, for sure.
Kyle:I mean, first of all, they employed great actors, and it was kind of.
Kyle:Jonah Hill was on his ascent.
Kyle:I love his path to, you know, from super bad to becoming someone we.
Kyle:Who's a really fantastic dramatic actor, you know, and Philip Seymour Hoffman, God rest his soul.
Kyle:I mean, you know, when you put that cast together and they do what they do in that movie, I'm gonna enjoy it no matter what it's about, you know, so that's a big part of it too.
Kyle:And that's.
Kyle:That is one reason I don't love some older sports movies, because they don't necessarily.
Kyle:The sandlot.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:I get why people like it, and I, I liked it as a kid, but I've revisited it with my kids and it doesn't do the same thing for me.
Kyle:And part of it is just like, I don't like the acting.
Kyle:You know, Dennis Leary is about all I enjoy in the movie.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Kids are bad actors.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:I mean, it's not their fault.
Nathan Owens:They're kids.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:You don't have any life experience.
Nathan Owens:You're bad at everything.
Nathan Owens:You're a child.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:Like, we have Stranger Things now.
Kyle:Stranger Things, like, is all sudden we have good kid actors.
Kyle:But like, when you and I were growing up, they were all horrible and like, they all had bowl cuts, you.
Nathan Owens:Know, they all had bowl cuts and an animal sidekick.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:And striped T shirts.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:And he's like, where are you getting these?
Nathan Owens:I'm.
Nathan Owens:I'm that.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:Like, what do you.
Nathan Owens:You can pay.
Nathan Owens:Pay me to be bad.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:You're acting no differently than me.
Kyle:You're just getting money and your parents are gonna steal it anyway.
Nathan Owens:Right?
Nathan Owens:Well, you're allowed to be mean to your parents on camera.
Kyle:What the.
Nathan Owens:That's what.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Every kid was so.
Nathan Owens:Every kid was too clever, too.
Nathan Owens:Also, I don't know if anybody really knows how to write children dialogue.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Because every kid is so smart.
Nathan Owens:And so you're just like, I've Talked to a 7 year old and they're, they're farting in their hand and trying to slap you.
Nathan Owens:That's what they're doing.
Nathan Owens:They're not, they're not zinging you with one liner.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:They're not entrepreneurs.
Kyle:You know, they're.
Kyle:They're, they're not.
Kyle:Yeah, they're not out getting alone.
Kyle:You know, they are, like you said, farting their hand.
Kyle:They're.
Kyle:They're obsessive.
Kyle:Like, they, they want one thing.
Kyle:It's usually candy or whatever.
Kyle:You know, you know, the thing that you have.
Nathan Owens:Unless they're the Little Rascals.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Then they're.
Nathan Owens:Then they're allowed to go get a loan because they, they, they're schemers.
Kyle:Those kids were awesome, though.
Nathan Owens:You can be they.
Nathan Owens:Fantastic.
Nathan Owens:That's.
Nathan Owens:We're switching.
Nathan Owens:The podcast is now a Little Rascals episode.
Nathan Owens:They.
Nathan Owens:They probably had a baseball scene.
Kyle:Yeah, they may have some point.
Kyle:That stupid rich kid, though, man, I, I hated that.
Kyle:My kid, my daughter loves that movie.
Kyle:That rich kid.
Kyle:Whatever his Waldo or whatever.
Kyle:God, screw that kid, dude.
Kyle:All right, we're gonna do some randos here.
Kyle:And this is just my favorite research, you know, And I, my, my goal is usually not to.
Kyle:I, I want zero Internet facts.
Kyle:I want commentaries, books that I read.
Kyle:But this movie was a little more difficult because it didn't have a commentary, at least at the time I, I watched it.
Kyle:So I did have to go a little Internet here, which I hate.
Kyle:But still some good stuff here.
Kyle:This is my favorite one.
Kyle:I don't know if you picked up on this.
Kyle:Ken Medlock, who plays the head scout, he was a professional baseball player.
Kyle: was drafted by the Dodgers in: Kyle:When the director asked him about Bean, he said he was ruining the game.
Kyle:So when they were, they were casting him, he told the director that he's ruining the game.
Kyle:He's also an umpire.
Kyle:Mr.
Kyle:Baseball.
Kyle:Major League too.
Kyle:So he's a, He's a baseball movie guy.
Kyle:This is his thing now.
Nathan Owens:I, I didn't know realize that, but I was surprised because he does do really well.
Nathan Owens:He doesn't seem like one of those guys because I feel like you can point.
Nathan Owens:You can see that in movies where you're like, I bet that guy doesn't act.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:All the time.
Nathan Owens:And.
Nathan Owens:But him, like, you could, like, the tension felt like it was there and maybe that was part of getting an actual scout who's probably had these conversations.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:About having to change and having to adjust and.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:I'm looking at his baseball card right now.
Nathan Owens:Dude had a solid head of hair back in.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:He definitely has the slick over going bald everything.
Kyle:Even my work shirts kind of look like beach shirts look going on.
Kyle:You know, just oversized sleeves, gigantic short sleeves, like ready to go to the beach at any minute.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, I know.
Nathan Owens:But, yeah, I thought he was, he was great.
Nathan Owens:And yeah.
Nathan Owens:Like you said as far as, like, people that you have to kind of fill the world with.
Nathan Owens:Never, Never felt like he didn't belong.
Nathan Owens:Like.
Nathan Owens:And that you just.
Nathan Owens:You love it when movies make sense and you're like, oh, that you.
Nathan Owens:There was an easier way to deal with that character and you took an extra couple steps and made it that much more authentic.
Kyle:Yep.
Nathan Owens:And it shows.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:Love it.
Kyle:The.
Kyle:So the.
Kyle:This movie's interesting.
Kyle:One of the things that that's I find interesting, they don't use a lot of like, acted Game.
Kyle:Like, they didn't, like, film a lot of game scenes.
Kyle:Like, they used a lot of footage from real games, but one of the few they used was they actually mirrored the move for move from the Kansas City versus Oakland playoff game.
Kyle:They mirrored it move for move.
Kyle:So they choreographed everything to kind of like, be almost exactly the same as that actual game, even though it's very few shots and stuff.
Kyle:I think that's really cool.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:And I mean, I.
Nathan Owens:I thought.
Nathan Owens:Because I.
Nathan Owens:I do remember that game.
Nathan Owens:Like, I remember.
Nathan Owens:It's like seeing all those players name, like, even on the Royals, like, seeing Mike Sweeney at first base, you're just like, oh, I remember that era.
Nathan Owens:Like, I remember the vest era of Major League Baseball.
Nathan Owens:So, like, that was always.
Nathan Owens:The only thing that I will say is that all of the stuff they talk about and never once do they mention how good their pitching was during that.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:They had probably a top three rotation in baseball history at that point.
Kyle:Wow.
Nathan Owens:Because all.
Nathan Owens:I mean, all those guys were gone in a couple of years because it was Tim Hudson, Mark Mulder, Barry Zito, and I think Israel.
Nathan Owens:I always forget that fourth guy, but they had him.
Nathan Owens:I mean, Miguel Tejada, which his name's never mentioned once.
Nathan Owens:He was up for Rookie of the year, or not Rookie of the Year, but, like, he was putting up MVP numbers that year.
Nathan Owens:Like, they had some really, really solid guys on that team.
Nathan Owens:And I understand that's not the point to go like, look how great our farm system is.
Nathan Owens:But I remember watching.
Nathan Owens:I think Tim Hudson did a live tweet where he watched the movie, and he was just kind of like, are we not in it at all?
Nathan Owens:Yeah, like, the four starting pitchers that had to carry on that streak.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Which.
Nathan Owens:But again, that's the.
Nathan Owens:The baseball person.
Nathan Owens:And you going, like, where more numbers can you make it more boring?
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:And at some point you're just like, just go watch a baseball game.
Nathan Owens:Like, I was watching the movie, like, making notes, and then at some point I was like, I just want to watch a baseball game.
Nathan Owens:I'm literally taking away everything.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, that's not.
Nathan Owens:But, yeah.
Nathan Owens:So, yeah, I did.
Nathan Owens:I did find that disappointing with the overarching season, is that you never talk about the pitching.
Nathan Owens:But, yeah, I remember that home run.
Nathan Owens:And it was.
Nathan Owens:It was eerie.
Nathan Owens:And I really liked the way that they did it.
Nathan Owens:And I think other movies should do it that way as well, because you can just.
Nathan Owens:You can tell when guys are not in the sport that they're comfortable playing.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:There's that scene that Went viral where the guy's trying to throw footballs or something and everybody just tore him to pieces.
Nathan Owens:I forgot it was some CW show, but.
Nathan Owens:And, but it just, it leaked and then people are tearing him apart because you're like, well, yeah, because it's not, it's not something you can just pick up.
Nathan Owens:Like, people think you just pick it up and learn it, but it's like baseball especially, like, swinging is difficult and like, looking like you know what you're doing is difficult.
Nathan Owens:And so like, I appreciate the movie getting it right when it had to, but also I think knowing that less is more like, let's not, we don't, we don't need to show everything because I feel like the more we show, the less credible it can feel.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:So I, I loved that approach.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:And the darkening, like the night the lights went down and they're playing kind of in darkness.
Kyle:I thought that was a really cool approach too.
Kyle:Kind of making you feel a little more claustrophobic about it.
Kyle:Like you said, a little eerie.
Kyle:Love that.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, fantastic.
Kyle:This was kind of cool.
Kyle:And it's so funny.
Kyle:I don't know why I never, I never remember Chris Pratt is in this, you know, and I think at the time it wasn't nearly as relevant.
Kyle:And now you look back, it's like, wow, Chris Pratt was in this.
Kyle:It's funny that we would ever say that because it's.
Kyle:His career has just is so weird to me.
Kyle:But he was the only player so every, every actor had that was playing or on the team had some experience, whether it be college baseball or some level of baseball experience.
Kyle:He had zero.
Kyle:He was the only one.
Kyle:But Scott Haddeberg said that his kids, when they saw the movie were freaked out by how accurate his mannerisms is.
Kyle:Apparently Chris Pratt nailed.
Kyle:So, I mean, you would maybe know.
Kyle:I mean, is he pretty spot on it?
Nathan Owens:I mean, it.
Nathan Owens:I, it was not, at the very least not distracting that he didn't.
Nathan Owens:I do think the advantage is that you're, you're playing a washed up guy defensively.
Nathan Owens:So if there is like hitches in your motion or anything like that, like, yeah, at that point, you're injured, you're at the end of your career, you're banged up.
Nathan Owens:So it's like that is the place to put a guy who does not have all the experience to go, like, yeah, it's going to look awkward.
Nathan Owens:Especially the, you know, the whole thing about him moving to first base.
Nathan Owens:So you think he hasn't taken a grounder from first base in probably 15 years.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:So I.
Nathan Owens:So I don't know how intentional that was of like, let's.
Nathan Owens:The one guy who doesn't have experience, let's bring him in.
Nathan Owens:But I mean, fantastic, because I feel like more times than not, guys get it so wrong and you end up either looking silly or you do like the air thing where Michael Jordan's just like.
Nathan Owens:It's like the mom from Muppet Babies.
Nathan Owens:You just never.
Nathan Owens:He's just a Pixar parent.
Nathan Owens:You just never see him.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:And those are really your two options is like, risk it on these actors and look silly or just never show the actual action.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:And they got.
Nathan Owens:I don't know if they got lucky or if they.
Nathan Owens:How strategic it was.
Nathan Owens:But yeah, Chris Pratt was fantastic.
Kyle:Yeah, he nails it.
Kyle:He was just sitting there waiting for him to knock too, apparently.
Kyle:Apparently Hattieberg just stared at the wall when he wasn't playing baseball.
Kyle:And his wife just pays the bills and she's got dinner ready for anybody that comes over.
Kyle:That was.
Kyle:She.
Kyle:She.
Kyle:She came through with the desserts.
Kyle:She had the desserts ready.
Nathan Owens:How.
Nathan Owens:How upset would you be if somebody showed up to your house?
Nathan Owens:What's the latest somebody can show up to your house and expect a.
Nathan Owens:A welcoming presence from you and your family?
Kyle:Do they have cigars or not?
Kyle:That's really my only.
Kyle:I don't drink anymore.
Kyle:So it's like if they show up with a cigar, then that.
Kyle:That does uplift it.
Kyle:I'm not saying it's perfect, but I'm saying at least just we're having cigars.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Kyle:You know, that's kind of.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:But yeah, I don't like visitors.
Kyle:I do not.
Kyle:I don't like.
Kyle:I don't like it when UPS people ring the doorbell even though they don't need me.
Kyle:You know, it's like, no, just drop.
Kyle:You don't need my signature.
Kyle:Just like, oh, I'm here.
Kyle:Bye.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, just wanted to make sure your dogs are barking.
Nathan Owens:Just anybody who was taking a nap is now awake.
Nathan Owens:That's all I wanted to make sure.
Kyle:Yeah, yeah, I know it's.
Kyle:I know it's a new age problem in what's his face.
Kyle:Sebastian has that great bit about we've got company.
Kyle:You know that bit?
Kyle:How do you say his last name?
Kyle:Monta.
Kyle:Sebastian Montes.
Kyle:Seco.
Kyle:I got.
Kyle:I hate ruining his name.
Kyle:It's a really.
Kyle:He has an amazing bit about we've got company and is like his, like, get the entamins.
Kyle:You know, and he talks about how in, like his.
Kyle:His traditional Italian family, like, company was like, they want.
Kyle:They couldn't wait.
Kyle:And he's talking about how now it's like you hear the doorbell ring, everybody hits the floor and they're trying not to be visible in the window.
Kyle:It's.
Kyle:It's a perfect bit.
Kyle:You got to check it out.
Kyle:But it's, it is funny, but it's not necessarily a technology thing for me.
Kyle:It's just like I, I don't.
Kyle:I want to be prepared, you know, even for small talk.
Kyle:Because people are going to want a small talk and without a cigar.
Kyle:You're going to small talk me without a cigar.
Kyle:Like, what are you doing?
Kyle:You know?
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens: ou show up to Kyle's house at: Nathan Owens:And not just any cigar.
Nathan Owens:The later it gets, the better the cigar needs to be.
Kyle:Yep.
Nathan Owens:Bare minimum 8pm cigar.
Nathan Owens:8pm cigar is not a 10pm cigar.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:So it's got a bare minimum.
Kyle:Be a Arturo Fuente double chateau Robusto at 8.
Kyle:Torpedo.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Kyle:At 10.
Kyle:You know, goes.
Kyle:I don't know if you're cigar.
Nathan Owens:I feel like, I feel like I need the government to hate the country that the cigar is from.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:And that just makes it better.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:It's true.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Like if, if you're just like, oh, no, this is.
Nathan Owens:We have a great relationship with this country.
Nathan Owens:I'm just like, I don't know if they, you know, nobody's like, this cigar is fresh in from Toronto.
Nathan Owens:You're just like, I don't know.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:This one was hand rolled in Cornwall, uk.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:You can keep that.
Kyle:It comes over in a tea.
Kyle:Like a tea bag.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:I want one that makes me sweat as I walk through tsa.
Nathan Owens:That's the kind of cigar you want.
Kyle:I needed to stay with me.
Kyle:I need you to smell it on my bre for at least four days.
Kyle:You know, it's got to leave an impression.
Nathan Owens:I need to be complaining that it's still around.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Like, I need to go.
Nathan Owens:Like, is it still.
Nathan Owens:It's still in my.
Nathan Owens:I'm still smelling it.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:How about you?
Kyle:How's.
Kyle:Too late.
Kyle:Like, what's your.
Kyle:What is your man?
Nathan Owens:I would.
Nathan Owens:I mean, 8pm's real tough.
Nathan Owens:And that's as.
Nathan Owens:As a childless couple.
Nathan Owens:Like, I.
Nathan Owens:When kids show up, I'm scared to touch doors at friends houses that have kids.
Nathan Owens:No matter what time of the day.
Nathan Owens:It is wise because I'm just like, I don't know who's I Don't know who's in bed.
Nathan Owens:I don't know how long it took you to put somebody down.
Nathan Owens:I don't know how much of a battle it was because with my luck, it's gonna be the worst bedtime ever.
Nathan Owens:I'm gonna show up and just go, knock, knock, knock.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:And then the dog barks, all the kids jump back up, and you're just like, well, there goes a friendship.
Kyle:Yep.
Kyle:You will draw the ire of mama.
Kyle:Yes, you will.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:But no, if it's a pop in, there's not a time of the day where you will be openly welcomed.
Nathan Owens:Now as somebody raised in the south, you'll get a smile and a hello, but when that door closes, it's a real bless your heart moment.
Nathan Owens:Like, it's not a fun.
Kyle:Bless your heart straight to hell.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:That's what I hope you.
Nathan Owens:I hope you get everything you deserve.
Kyle:Rock Walk right out there.
Kyle:Get banned from the Reddit.
Kyle:Wishing you and Joe Buck out there in the.
Kyle:In the traffic.
Nathan Owens:There we go.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:Save me a hair, blood.
Nathan Owens:Yep.
Nathan Owens:One of those steel hair.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:And so Paul.
Kyle:Paul D.
Kyle:Podesta, actually.
Kyle:And I think he.
Kyle:He worked with the Browns after he ended up working for the Browns at some point, but Peter Brand is who that's based on, and I guess he just didn't want his name on it, you know, and so that's why they changed the name.
Kyle:And apparently, you know, some of the mannerisms that Jonah Hill has and some of the way he.
Kyle:He plays them up isn't really a lot of his personality.
Kyle:And it's true.
Kyle:I've seen.
Kyle:I've seen Paul Deepa destined some interviews when he went to the Browns.
Kyle:He's kind of comes off as just a really handsome, you know, Harvard graduate who's really smart.
Kyle:He's not.
Kyle:He really isn't that guy.
Kyle:At least that, if I'm remembering correctly, this was years ago.
Kyle:But have you seen interviews with him?
Nathan Owens:I haven't seen any.
Nathan Owens:Any interviews with him.
Nathan Owens:Now, I did listen to the audiobook of Moneyball a couple years ago, and so.
Nathan Owens:But I.
Nathan Owens:I've not seen any, like, pictures or interviews with him.
Nathan Owens:I assumed that Jonah Hill was playing him like he is.
Nathan Owens:Like, that's because you watch it and you're just like, oh, well, yeah, that's a nerdy dude that's in baseball that likes it because of the numbers and that kind of stuff.
Nathan Owens:So, like, the.
Nathan Owens:Whoever.
Nathan Owens:Whoever Jonah Hill created made so much sense that never once did I think there was somebody else out There.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Like, in my mind, that's exactly who that Peter Brand is.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:And whoever.
Nathan Owens:But, yeah.
Nathan Owens:So I.
Nathan Owens:I haven't seen any of the.
Nathan Owens:Any of it.
Nathan Owens:I do think going to Harvard does make you more confident.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, I think that would.
Nathan Owens:I think that would help.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:So imagine having the good for him.
Kyle:Imagine having the mystique at a party, you know, of being able to.
Kyle:I've been in the tech industry for 15 years, and one of the just things I hate the most about it is, like, if you have to go out, like, if you meet with, like, go fly to Seattle or something, and you go out afterwards, and someone will always bring up, where did you go to school?
Kyle:And I'm always the one person that didn't go to.
Kyle:You know, I went to Arkansas Tech University.
Nathan Owens:Here we go.
Kyle:And everyone.
Nathan Owens:What's.
Nathan Owens:What's the mascot?
Kyle:The wonder boy?
Kyle:You might be asking what a wonder boy is.
Kyle:I still don't know.
Kyle:But the colors were lime green and yellow.
Kyle:Like, we looked like Sprite bottles.
Kyle:Like, that was.
Kyle:That was our color.
Nathan Owens:That's weirdly fantastic.
Nathan Owens:And that's so great.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:And then other people like, oh, Stanford.
Kyle:Well, where did you get your mba?
Kyle:Where do you summer?
Kyle:You know, it's just like, I hate that part of the night, you know?
Kyle:And I.
Kyle:I just.
Kyle:I just.
Kyle:That's when I want to leave.
Kyle:I'm like, all right, we're talking about schools now.
Kyle:It's like, let's just go home.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:I mean, I.
Nathan Owens:Conan O'Brien has said it where, you know, he's a Harvard grad, and he said, I've, like, worked really hard to get in there.
Nathan Owens:But he goes, I don't feel like I got that much better of an education than anybody else that went to a college.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:So it is like, so much of Harvard is the mystique and the name.
Nathan Owens:And then, yeah.
Nathan Owens:At the end of the day, it's like, all right, what.
Nathan Owens:What's.
Kyle:What's.
Nathan Owens:What's.
Nathan Owens:What's really in there?
Nathan Owens:Because I don't know.
Nathan Owens:I don't know what you do to get kicked out of Harvard, depending on who your dad is and stuff like that.
Kyle:Yeah, but.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, but, yeah.
Nathan Owens:Harvard athlete.
Nathan Owens:Because I know they don't give.
Nathan Owens:They don't.
Nathan Owens:The Ivy League doesn't give out scholarships.
Nathan Owens:So being a student athlete is very tough.
Nathan Owens:Like, it's.
Nathan Owens:It's tough at any school, but especially a school that, like, you're still a student.
Nathan Owens:Like, you could.
Nathan Owens:You don't even have, like, a scholarship to kind of Point to and be like, the school's investing in me in this.
Nathan Owens:Like, you have to, like, I.
Nathan Owens:I cannot imagine how tough the daily life is for a student athlete in the Ivy League.
Nathan Owens:So, you know, kudos to this guy.
Nathan Owens:I'm sorry.
Nathan Owens:They cast Jonah Hill for you.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:I'm sure the award made it feel a little bit better.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, the award nod, but yeah.
Nathan Owens:Who.
Nathan Owens:Who would they.
Nathan Owens:If you had a movie made about you, is there an actor who would hurt your feelings if they cast them?
Kyle:Oh, that's a really good question.
Kyle:Oh, my God.
Kyle:You just asked maybe the strongest question that's been asked on the show in five years.
Kyle:God.
Kyle:I mean, honestly, and not to spill the beans, this might actually happen.
Kyle:I.
Kyle:I am having a book published this year, and.
Kyle:And let's.
Kyle:Things are in play.
Kyle:I'm not saying a movie yet, but that's something my agent has talked about.
Kyle:It's possible.
Kyle:So I have thought about it.
Kyle:I'm not trying to be vain, but I've had to.
Nathan Owens:It's.
Nathan Owens:It's a greater than 0% chance.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Kyle:It's like 0.03.
Kyle:God.
Kyle:I honestly, I can't think of anyone who I'm.
Kyle:I.
Kyle:Everyone would be.
Kyle:Honestly, an upgrade.
Kyle:Yeah, I just.
Nathan Owens:I think any.
Nathan Owens:I think anybody that got cast as me would be nice.
Nathan Owens:I've been called Jonah Hill several times, but just any white, earthy dudes can get called that.
Nathan Owens:I think it would hurt my feelings if somebody, like, went into training to be me.
Nathan Owens:That's what would hurt if, like, because you, like, Chris Pratt has blown up and slimmed down for, you know, stuff like that.
Nathan Owens:And we've seen other.
Nathan Owens:I mean, Christian Bale's done it.
Nathan Owens:I think that would.
Nathan Owens:If somebody got cast as me and then the next interview, they were like, well, yeah, I had to start eating this many calories a day, and I started drinking melted ice cream.
Nathan Owens:Just like, all right, man.
Nathan Owens:You didn't have to, like, if they.
Nathan Owens:If they cast Timothee Chalamet as me, and then he was immediately like, well, I just started consuming six meals a day, you know, to make sure that I fit.
Nathan Owens:That's what would hurt me more than an actual casting that.
Kyle:That you just nailed it.
Kyle:Right.
Kyle:So it's not necessarily about the specific actor, but it's like, what they try to achieve, you know, if they, like, have to go through massive, like a.
Kyle:They couldn't find anybody.
Kyle:I'm such a freak that they couldn't find anybody out there in Hollywood to just even get within the vicinity of my freakish nature.
Kyle:So they had to go get a real actor, and then that real actor has to, like, go through hell to just even get within a stone throw of my freaking awful appearance.
Nathan Owens:If they.
Nathan Owens:If they describe somebody's unrecognizable playing me, that would hurt.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:If they'd be like, oh, you won't believe these.
Nathan Owens:Unrecognizable.
Nathan Owens:In his role as Nathan Owens, I'd be like, all right.
Nathan Owens:He could have been recognizable.
Kyle:Words to avoid.
Kyle:Bodysuit, hairpiece, calorie intake.
Kyle:Those are all words.
Nathan Owens:Also age.
Nathan Owens:If they were just like, Brendan Frazier's Nathan Owens, I'd be like, all right, I love him.
Nathan Owens:But also, he's 6.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:So that kind of hurts.
Kyle:You couldn't.
Kyle:You couldn't go out there and get someone in their 20s, you know, manage up a little bit, at least get.
Nathan Owens:Another, you know, millennial.
Nathan Owens:Just asking for somebody in my generation.
Kyle:Dude, that was an amazing question.
Kyle:And now I'm like, oh, my God.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Because I think everybody knows who they would want to play them.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:But then I'm like, you know, there's people who've had movies made about them that have been like, really?
Nathan Owens:That's who they thought would play me?
Nathan Owens:And it's just like.
Nathan Owens:Especially if you're one of these Harvard guys.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:With a strong jaw.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:They're just like.
Kyle:With a good.
Nathan Owens:It's like, wait, the fat guy from Super Bad?
Nathan Owens:He's like, yeah, man, he's up for awards.
Nathan Owens:He nailed it.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:He can't even do basic math in real life.
Kyle:You know, he's.
Kyle:He's never even done it.
Nathan Owens:His character is so on.
Nathan Owens:He's so uncomfortable.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Any, like, it's great.
Nathan Owens:Man.
Kyle:Agrees with Keynesian economics.
Kyle:I mean, what a loser, you know?
Kyle:What a loser.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:This is amazing.
Kyle:You're coming back on the show, by the way.
Kyle:I just decided you have to come back.
Kyle:So we're doing the war card now.
Kyle:The war.
Kyle:Shall we.
Kyle:Shall we get on base?
Kyle:Shall we knock it out?
Kyle:Let's knock it out of the park.
Kyle:Let's war.
Nathan Owens:So there we go.
Kyle:The way we do this is we for every.
Kyle:Every time we do a yes category.
Kyle:Like, yes, affirmative.
Kyle:We love it.
Kyle:We like it.
Kyle:Both categories, yes and no are named after something in the movie.
Kyle:And so, yes, you like it as gets on base.
Kyle:So if, like, you like the top bill cast, you say gets on base and describe why.
Kyle:If you don't like it, pack your bags, Pete.
Kyle:That's our negative today.
Kyle:Even though it's kind of positive, I Didn't want to go like, you know, cheesy, like a real baseball term.
Kyle:So I like.
Kyle:I liked it.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Kyle:Just because it's one of my favorite lines from the movie.
Kyle:The way he says a.
Kyle:Pack your bag, Pete.
Kyle:I just traded.
Kyle:Traded for you.
Nathan Owens:Pack your bag, Pete's great.
Nathan Owens:The.
Kyle:The.
Nathan Owens:Is winning.
Nathan Owens:Is losing fun?
Nathan Owens:That's a great scene.
Nathan Owens:Bashing the.
Nathan Owens:That's a good one.
Nathan Owens:Him and him getting on the Jambi kid.
Nathan Owens:That's a good.
Nathan Owens:I forget.
Nathan Owens:I don't think the line is as snappy, so I don't think it's gonna work as well.
Nathan Owens:But there is that moment of like.
Nathan Owens:That's what losing sounds like.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, I love.
Nathan Owens:I love that line.
Nathan Owens:We're changing everybody in the side.
Kyle:We're doing that.
Nathan Owens:That's what losing sounds.
Kyle:You just said it.
Kyle:Let's change it.
Kyle:I'm totally.
Kyle:We're making up as we go.
Kyle:I love that.
Kyle:That's what losing.
Nathan Owens:There we go.
Nathan Owens:That's what.
Nathan Owens:That's what this is.
Nathan Owens:We're improvising, man.
Nathan Owens:That get on base.
Nathan Owens:That gets on base.
Nathan Owens:Us.
Kyle:Yep.
Nathan Owens:Us improvising together.
Nathan Owens:That gets on.
Kyle:That gets on base.
Kyle:So I love it, dude.
Kyle:Man.
Kyle:I love.
Kyle:Oh, I love it.
Kyle:That's awesome.
Kyle:I love moments.
Kyle:All right, top bill cast and we got a new.
Kyle:We got a new no here.
Kyle:And say it one more time so we know that's what sound.
Kyle:Sound losing sounds like.
Kyle:Right?
Nathan Owens:That's what losing sounds.
Nathan Owens:All right.
Kyle:Love it.
Kyle:Top bill cast is going to be Brad Pitt.
Kyle:Jonah Hill.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, he's got.
Nathan Owens:Gets on base.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:I don't.
Kyle:I don't know what to say here.
Kyle:I mean, I honestly came into it not really knowing what to expect from Jonah Hill because I had yet to really see that dynamic range that we know him for now.
Kyle:But dude, he is incredible as Peter Brand here.
Kyle:So this is easy.
Kyle:Yeah, this is.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:I like, I knew Jonah Hill from Super Bad primarily, but like all those Avatar movies because he was just in that group.
Nathan Owens:So like he's then knocked up or the 40 year old.
Nathan Owens:Ver.
Nathan Owens:40 year old version.
Nathan Owens:Anyway, like those.
Nathan Owens: All those kind of early: Nathan Owens:And so.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Which Superbad was one?
Nathan Owens:It's one of my favorite.
Nathan Owens:One of my favorite movies in high school.
Nathan Owens:So I was thrilled.
Nathan Owens:And it's like, oh, yeah, Jonah Hill's in a baseball movie.
Nathan Owens:This is going to be great.
Nathan Owens:And then you watch it and you're just like, oh, this is.
Nathan Owens:This is spectacular.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, like, where is.
Nathan Owens:Where has this been?
Nathan Owens:And then all of his friends were just like, yeah, that's been there the whole, whole time.
Nathan Owens:And I think that was one of my favorite things is all of his friends were like, yeah, y'all are late to this.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Which is just the best response your friends can ever give anybody is like, yeah, we're not.
Nathan Owens:We're not impressed because we've seen it.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:And I just.
Nathan Owens:I love that.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:It's amazing.
Kyle:All right, one to zero supporting cast.
Kyle:Here we go.
Kyle:And this is.
Kyle:This is wild just to read these names.
Kyle:Philip Seymour Hoffman is Art Howe.
Kyle:Robin Wright is Sharon, which she.
Kyle:It's kind of crazy how high up actually in the pay band she was because she wasn't in it a lot.
Kyle:And then Chris Pratt, Scott Hattieberg.
Kyle:Stephen Bishop is David Justin, which I did have a random that I skipped over for time, but he.
Kyle:He actually was a huge David justice fan and justice actually trained him and helped him play him for the movie.
Kyle:So that's pretty cool.
Kyle:So he got some one on one training from the man himself.
Kyle:And then one person that's not on, or Ken Medlock, of course, we talked about that earlier with the rando.
Kyle:But Spike Jones, the director, plays the husband.
Kyle:Yeah, yeah.
Nathan Owens:Which it's.
Nathan Owens:It's.
Nathan Owens:That's somebody that I knew from Jackass.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Like, I wish that I was smart enough and classy enough to know him as like, oh, that's the guy directed Weezer, you know, and he directed all this other stuff.
Nathan Owens:And her.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:And I'm just like, oh, that's the guy who used to dress up as an old person on Jackass.
Nathan Owens:Like, and super bad.
Nathan Owens:This is a great movie.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:It just feel like such an idiot when I saw him.
Nathan Owens:And my first thought was, I've seen you as a naked old lady.
Nathan Owens:This is great.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:And he's like this arty director.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:He's like this artsy guy.
Kyle:Her was just like, whoa.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:What do you think here?
Kyle:Where do you go?
Nathan Owens:I mean, it gets on base every.
Nathan Owens:Everybody in it.
Nathan Owens:And I think Brent Jennings as Ron Washington is so good and so.
Nathan Owens:And then as a Braves fan, and I know this is very, very personal, but Ron Washington was the third base coach here for a while and then we lost him out to the Los Angeles Angels and the team has not felt the same, really.
Nathan Owens:So the vibe that he is.
Nathan Owens:One word again, the vibe that he is bringing where it's just kind of that it's a calming presence but a confidence building in players like, you see videos of him working with Ozzy, working with the infielders.
Nathan Owens:Everybody loves him.
Nathan Owens:Like, he's a funny guy.
Nathan Owens:And just like, oh, that's.
Nathan Owens:He.
Nathan Owens:He nailed it for a character that you could have done whatever you wanted with because there's not a person on earth.
Nathan Owens:It's like, that's an inaccurate Ron Washington.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:But as a Braves fan, getting to see him more and more across their socials.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:And then watching him in this, just like, oh, no.
Nathan Owens:He is a funny dude that loves and cares about his players so much.
Nathan Owens:And there's just, wow.
Nathan Owens:There's so much kindness that Brent Jennings does.
Nathan Owens:And I don't know if that's.
Nathan Owens:Again, I don't know how much of this was intentional or they just got lucky with talented people.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:But I.
Nathan Owens:That's.
Nathan Owens:That's the most underrated character in the movie for me.
Kyle:I love that.
Nathan Owens:Like, gets on base every time.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:I get.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:And that's.
Kyle:I kind of feel that way a little bit about.
Kyle:Just kind of.
Kyle:Even though he's only in the movie once.
Kyle:But Spike Jones, as the.
Kyle:As the man that married, you know, Brad, that's the guy.
Kyle:It's like, of course you married a tech billionaire, you know, and, you know, he's all sensitive and he's got the sandals on, and he's, you know, every tech guy I've ever run into.
Kyle:And, you know, since I've been in the industry, and I'm just like, oh, my.
Kyle:Of course that's the guy that married the ex baseball player's wife.
Kyle:Had to be.
Kyle:Weighs five pounds.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Got his daughter the cell phone that still is so on.
Nathan Owens:So uncomfortable.
Nathan Owens:When she goes, caught him on his phone.
Nathan Owens:He's like, you got her a cell phone?
Nathan Owens:I'm just like, oh, I shouldn't be here for this conversation.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, please turn the camera off.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:And then you gotta, like, hear.
Nathan Owens:Uncomfortable.
Kyle:Hear this guy talk about it.
Kyle:You know, the guy, his shirt's probably made of, like, vegan powder, you know, of some kind.
Kyle:You know, he's got a fair trade shirt, you know, that you paid 700 for, you know, at some outpost in California, you know, and he's sitting there.
Kyle:You got to talk to this guy about it.
Kyle:That's horrible.
Kyle:But he played it really well.
Nathan Owens:He played it so well.
Nathan Owens:And they play that scene so, so good.
Nathan Owens:And it's so awkward, but also still kind like, it's not the classic macho scene where two guys are, like, having a pissing contest.
Nathan Owens:Like, it really is two guys in an awkward Relationship that are just trying to be as nice as they can to each other.
Kyle:Yep.
Kyle:Just trying to.
Kyle:It actually was pretty realistic.
Kyle:It felt.
Kyle:It felt very realistic.
Kyle:I like that.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Kyle:This gets on base.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, it gets on base.
Kyle:Two to zero.
Kyle:It gets on base.
Kyle:Are we gonna knock this one out of the park?
Kyle:I'm.
Kyle:I'm trying not to be too cliche with the baseball terms.
Nathan Owens:Let's lean in, man.
Nathan Owens:Why not?
Nathan Owens:How many.
Nathan Owens:How many times do you really get to lean into baseball stuff on this show?
Kyle:Not often.
Kyle:Not often.
Kyle:I don't.
Kyle:I'm pretty much the only one that loves talking about sports movies.
Kyle:Of course.
Kyle:You know, I have 10 people that come on this show randomly, like, just a bunch of comedians, and they're mostly like horror fans and superhero fans.
Nathan Owens:Go all in.
Nathan Owens:Indulge.
Kyle:I can fix them.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:All right.
Kyle:Writing.
Kyle:I'll just go, Aaron Sorkin here.
Kyle:How's this end?
Kyle:Because Stan Shervin.
Kyle:Did he write the book that you.
Kyle:I didn't.
Kyle:I didn't get a chance to read the book.
Nathan Owens:No, it was not.
Nathan Owens:The book is not as interesting as the movie at all.
Nathan Owens:But it was Michael Lewis.
Kyle:Okay.
Nathan Owens:That's right.
Nathan Owens:Who.
Nathan Owens:Who wrote the book?
Nathan Owens:The.
Nathan Owens:The book's very matter of fact, and it almost.
Nathan Owens:It dives more into what leads to the Moneyball strategy.
Nathan Owens:So it kind of talks about, like, the baseball of guys beginning to notice patterns and.
Nathan Owens:And stuff.
Nathan Owens:Like.
Nathan Owens:So it kind of.
Nathan Owens:It's.
Nathan Owens:It's kind of an origin story in a prequel in a way.
Kyle:Okay.
Nathan Owens:But, yeah, not.
Nathan Owens:Not as.
Nathan Owens:Not as entertaining, not as much of a story.
Nathan Owens:But if you saw this and you were like, I like the nerdy numbers aspect of it.
Nathan Owens:The book's fantastic.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:And this feels.
Kyle:You know, it's.
Kyle:Sometimes writers can be so prominent or have such a specific style that you can tell it's that.
Kyle:And like, this is.
Kyle:This feels like Aaron Sorkin.
Kyle:Like, it does have.
Nathan Owens:Yes.
Kyle:That level.
Kyle:And I give it a.
Kyle:I give it a.
Kyle:Gets on base.
Kyle:I think one of the things they did was, first of all, besides the baseball stuff, the.
Kyle:The outside stuff kind of has a little slower pace to it, and it's not necessarily in a hurry to get to where it's going, but the interactions are priceless.
Kyle:Like, I love the interactions between how and between being and the players.
Kyle:I don't think there was really a wasted moment or a wasted line here.
Kyle:You know, I do think the daughter felt a little forced.
Kyle:I will say that that's the only critique I have.
Kyle:And I like her.
Kyle:I think She's a good actress.
Kyle:And I like the song.
Kyle:It's cool.
Kyle:But you could tell that they needed something to tether him to the ground that wasn't baseball.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Kyle:And I think it's good.
Kyle:But the song coming out of kind of nowhere, that's the only.
Kyle:That's, like, the only thing in the writing.
Kyle:I'm like, hey, I don't know.
Kyle:It felt like kind of a forced, like, through line.
Kyle:But I give it.
Kyle:I give it a.
Kyle:Gets on base.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:I think that it was probably tough to.
Nathan Owens:If you're not a.
Nathan Owens:If you're not somebody who's super loyal to a baseball team, it probably is tough to watch that and go, like, yeah, you take the job with the Red Sox.
Nathan Owens:Like, that's more money.
Nathan Owens:And so I.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, I do understand them bringing the daughter in and being like, we got to give him more of a reason than just, he loves the A's.
Nathan Owens:That's not going to make enough sense.
Nathan Owens:Sense to people.
Nathan Owens:So we have to go.
Nathan Owens:All right.
Nathan Owens:He doesn't want to leave his family.
Nathan Owens:That kind of stuff.
Nathan Owens:And.
Nathan Owens:And maybe that was a much bigger part of it than I realized.
Nathan Owens:And the writers got it.
Nathan Owens:I will say.
Nathan Owens:And I'm gonna double check this as I'm saying it.
Nathan Owens:I think that song came out, like, three years after the movie is supposed to take place.
Kyle:Really.
Nathan Owens:And that's my only.
Nathan Owens:That's my only gripe is that you couldn't have just Googled that real quick and just gone.
Nathan Owens: ong that somebody released in: Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Happen.
Nathan Owens:But that's not.
Nathan Owens:Like, what am I.
Nathan Owens:What.
Nathan Owens:What am I doing?
Kyle:It should have been with that.
Nathan Owens:Nobody else cares.
Kyle:Should have been a little more realistic.
Kyle:Like, she should have been really bad.
Kyle:You know, like, just learning.
Kyle:Barely can play a chord.
Kyle:You know her.
Kyle:You can't even sing.
Kyle:And he's having to pretend.
Nathan Owens:Oh, that's really good.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Just a super supportive father.
Kyle:That would have been a little more.
Kyle:But she's, like, freaking stellar.
Kyle:And you're just like, what is this?
Kyle:What's with this family?
Kyle:You know?
Nathan Owens:Also never hassled once by a salesman in the guitar shop.
Kyle:You gonna buy that?
Nathan Owens:Never.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:You just get.
Nathan Owens:Wait, no.
Nathan Owens:You can't just sit and play.
Nathan Owens:Like, we're not a.
Nathan Owens:We're not a library for instruments.
Kyle:Yes.
Kyle:You just singing.
Kyle:You're just gonna sing a song.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Name five guitarists if you're just gonna sit there.
Kyle:No Stairway.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens: is supposed to take place in: Nathan Owens:And that was.
Nathan Owens:What was it?
Nathan Owens:What's that song called?
Kyle:Enjoy the Show.
Nathan Owens:I think Enjoy the Show.
Kyle:Anyway, whatever it is, it's a little too polished.
Nathan Owens:We can move on.
Nathan Owens:That wasn't gonna be a quick.
Nathan Owens:I thought that was gonna be a quick, fun thing.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:And it wasn't.
Nathan Owens:So I apologize for making you edit that out or making your audience listen through whatever you left in.
Kyle:Good.
Kyle:We gotta just lean in.
Kyle:And she's just too polished.
Kyle:But she is.
Nathan Owens:So I will say it gets.
Nathan Owens:It gets on base, but that one, that was a.
Nathan Owens:That was a blooper.
Nathan Owens:That got on base, but it got on base.
Kyle:Yep.
Nathan Owens:Overall, it wasn't as solid.
Kyle:Sometimes you trip, and you still get there.
Kyle:You still get the base, and that's what.
Nathan Owens:And that's what Moneyball's about.
Nathan Owens:Doesn't care how you get on base.
Nathan Owens:Just get on base.
Kyle:Enjoy the show.
Nathan Owens:Get on base and enjoy the show.
Kyle:All right.
Kyle:Directing Bennett Miller.
Kyle:And also interesting.
Kyle:I wanted to pull a couple more of his credits in Capote, which he did with Philip Seymour Hoffman, which was kind of a huge.
Kyle:A huge thing for Hoffman in terms of his career.
Kyle:And then Fox Chaser with Steve Carell.
Nathan Owens:I never saw Fox Chaser.
Kyle:Really good.
Kyle:Kind of really eerie.
Nathan Owens:I just.
Nathan Owens:Does he have a history now?
Nathan Owens:And I'm only making this connection because of Jonah Hill and Steve Carell.
Nathan Owens:Does he have a history of, like, being like, I want to be your first serious role?
Nathan Owens:Because I feel like that was Steve Carell's post office.
Nathan Owens:Like, I'm super.
Nathan Owens:I'm actually a talented person.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:That's a good question.
Kyle:Because, you know, Philip Seymour Hoffman had Twister, you know.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:And he.
Kyle:The Big Lebowski, which we just covered.
Kyle:You know, he has a minor role there.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:I mean, it could be.
Kyle:Could be a thing.
Kyle:I mean, he's not.
Kyle:I.
Kyle:You know, I.
Kyle:The movies don't necessarily all feel similar to me.
Kyle:I need.
Kyle:I would need to rewatch them.
Kyle:I've only seen Fox Chaser and Capote one time, so I probably should go back.
Kyle:I've seen Moneyball 50 times.
Kyle:Maybe go back and see if there's any continuity with a style.
Nathan Owens:Do you prefer directors that have a real distinct style and everything, or do you like guys that are able to kind of adjust to different stories?
Kyle:I kind of like both.
Kyle:You know, I think.
Kyle:I think Tarantino does that really well.
Kyle:He has a very distinct style, but he can jump in.
Kyle:Nolan is actually a guy that, even though he's distinct, he's tackled what we just covered tenet.
Kyle:Every movie is a different genre.
Kyle:You know, it's like he'll heist movie, you know, and a spy film, you know, he.
Kyle:He really dives in.
Kyle:I love that.
Kyle:But yeah, I would say like, you know, the Cohens and Scorsese is probably top two for me.
Kyle:And I love how I can like you can land on a movie on like TBS and like hear it for five minutes, go, that's the Cohen's.
Kyle:You know, I do like that.
Kyle:So what about you?
Nathan Owens:Yeah, I mean, yeah, the extreme is Wes Anderson.
Nathan Owens:And I.
Nathan Owens:It's just like I eat when it's good, it's good.
Nathan Owens:When it's bad, I'm out.
Nathan Owens:I'm not somebody who's like, I love the style and I'm always in on that kind of feel.
Nathan Owens:Nolan might be the best example of like I did not real.
Nathan Owens:You don't realize how much of his style you like until you watch multiple and start to recognize stuff.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:But yeah, I also appreciate directors that are like, I.
Nathan Owens:It doesn't, I don't need to bring me to the table.
Nathan Owens:Like I'm receiving kind of a completed a complete script with talented actors.
Nathan Owens:Like, I can kind of, you know, I can manage this.
Nathan Owens:I can be a game manager versus having to inflict my own style.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:And so I, Yeah, I appreciate directors that can because that is putting your ego to the side.
Nathan Owens:And you know, it's not always, I'm not saying it's always egotistical to make a movie in your style.
Nathan Owens:It's your right.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:But I do think it's nice when guys can go like, no, no, I can adapt to this.
Nathan Owens:And Nolan's a perfect example of that.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:I think Oppenheimer feels so different than Batman Begins.
Nathan Owens:Like, it's great.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:You know who feels really different is Kathryn Bigelow.
Kyle:You know, she.
Kyle:One of my favorite movies of all time is Point Break and that's how she kind of came onto the scene.
Kyle:But then she did Blackhawk down and then won the Oscar for Zero Dark Thirty.
Kyle:And look at the differences between Point Break and Zero Dark Thirty.
Kyle:I mean, you talk about like a, like a shift.
Kyle:I mean.
Kyle:Yeah, pretty incredible.
Kyle:I think she's someone that's really like, has a really unique approach and like Blackhawk down is like vicious.
Kyle:I mean, that's just crazy.
Kyle:So she's very different.
Nathan Owens:What, what, what happened in her life.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, she was like, no more crime surfing movies.
Kyle:Yes.
Nathan Owens:We're telling gritty, real stories about the horrors of war.
Nathan Owens:Get these fun Attractive heroes.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Skydiving.
Nathan Owens:Get them out of here.
Kyle:Well, she became James Cameron's third ex wife.
Kyle:That might, you know, you know, he has to marry one new woman per movie he makes.
Kyle:That's kind of his rule, you know, Linda Hamilton.
Nathan Owens:He does.
Nathan Owens:He does love water.
Nathan Owens:And so after that, she was like, only desert movies for me.
Nathan Owens:I can't.
Nathan Owens:Water reminds me of James.
Nathan Owens:I can't do it.
Kyle:Yeah, no more water movies.
Nathan Owens:Only landlocked locations.
Kyle:Dude, that's a funny.
Kyle:What it.
Kyle:What happened to her?
Nathan Owens:Point break.
Nathan Owens:So much fun and it's so silly.
Nathan Owens:And then.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, Black Hawk Down's one of the.
Nathan Owens:It's a great movie, but one of the worst movies experiences of my life.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, like to the exhale after that movie ends.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:We get a young Tom Hardy in there, though.
Kyle:That's pretty cool.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, I think Orlando Bloom gets, like, chopped in half in that movie too.
Nathan Owens:He's in there where you're just like, oh, this was.
Nathan Owens:This was just kind of whoever was.
Kyle:Around, good, chop him in half.
Kyle:I don't care.
Kyle:With a name like that.
Kyle:Chop down all the.
Kyle:All the Orlando Blooms had no idea.
Nathan Owens:I was accidentally stepping into the I have no least Bloom friendly podcast.
Kyle:This is the least.
Kyle:This is not.
Kyle:This is not the Bloom Zone.
Kyle:Okay?
Kyle:If you want to go.
Kyle:You want to go do the Bloom Zone contact or the podcast, you just go do that.
Kyle:Okay.
Kyle:Don't bring that in.
Nathan Owens:Do you love the idea of somebody who loves all movies but just hates Orlando Bloom as a passion and just be like, why would you even say Caribbean?
Nathan Owens:You know how I feel about Orlando Bloom.
Kyle:I don't care how famous is.
Kyle:If he walked in here right now, I'd give him the snake eye.
Kyle:I just.
Kyle:I know you.
Kyle:I know your type.
Nathan Owens:I saw the Hobbit movies.
Nathan Owens:Why were you there?
Kyle:So do you get on base with the directing here?
Nathan Owens:Oh, yeah, it's.
Nathan Owens:That's on bass.
Kyle:Yeah, it's definitely got a.
Kyle:It's also got a coloring too.
Kyle:And that really comes down to the next category, so we'll just go to that one instead.
Kyle:I was fixing to comment on things I like that had nothing to do with them.
Kyle:So we have two more categories after this that are.
Kyle:We call them, like, bro categories.
Kyle:You know, they're just fun made up.
Kyle:Whatever this is.
Kyle:This is our last traditional category.
Kyle:What's in front of us?
Kyle:This is cinematography, production design, sound, costumes, editing.
Kyle:All the.
Kyle:All the things and hearing.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, I don't.
Nathan Owens:I like.
Nathan Owens:I.
Nathan Owens:I'm probably a bad guest for saying this.
Nathan Owens:I think it's a near perfect movie.
Nathan Owens:Like, everything about it feels exactly.
Nathan Owens:It's like it's set in the exact time period that it's supposed to be.
Nathan Owens:Everything about it feels authentic.
Nathan Owens:Every character feels authentic.
Nathan Owens:The way that they move.
Nathan Owens:Like, it would have been so easy to make Brad Pitt cool.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:But they still kind of put him in oversized polo shirts and pleated khakis, and you're like, he's one of the coolest dudes.
Nathan Owens:Like, one of the most stylish men of all time.
Nathan Owens:And they were still just like.
Nathan Owens: gonna give him a pretty early: Nathan Owens:We're gonna give him a pre 911 pair of khakis and sneakers to wear around.
Nathan Owens:And that kind of stuff.
Nathan Owens:Like, I.
Nathan Owens:It just.
Nathan Owens:It makes you feel like the movie.
Nathan Owens:You never feel like the movie loses you.
Nathan Owens:There's never a moment where you just go.
Nathan Owens:That feel that felt off.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:And.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, that's part of it.
Nathan Owens:The costumes, the lighting, the feeling, the.
Nathan Owens:I mean, the soundtrack's phenomenal.
Nathan Owens:With the exception of the future song.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Everything gets on base.
Kyle:Love it.
Kyle:The only reason I struggled with this one is.
Kyle:And it's not because I didn't dislike that they did this, but there's a lot of real game footage in it.
Kyle:And I just wasn't used to a sports movie where they weren't reenacting a lot.
Kyle:Like, yeah, they do a little reenacting, but they also lean on footage a lot.
Kyle:And you.
Kyle:You watch the footage, and some of them, that footage is our players that you referenced earlier that don't really get a lot of love in the movie who are essential to the story.
Kyle:But you're seeing them in these clips.
Kyle:Right.
Kyle:And so, yeah, that was a little odd for me because, you know, so many of my favorite movies are sports.
Kyle:Movies are fighting movies, like, you know, rocking, and, like, just the way they did Raging Bull.
Kyle:Like, really good choreography.
Kyle:But then you get into movies where, like, the choreography kind of ruins a good movie, too.
Kyle:Like, I.
Kyle:I love Jerry Maguire.
Kyle:It's a top 50 movie for me.
Kyle:But the football scenes are very heavily choreographed.
Kyle:Like, you know, to, like, when he flips Rod Tidwell in the end zone.
Kyle:Like, that was so cheesy, you know, And I.
Nathan Owens:And I think baseball is one of the easier sports to do this kind of stuff with because you can show.
Nathan Owens:You can show players so individually.
Nathan Owens:In baseball.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Like football, you can only show a guy running by himself for so long.
Nathan Owens:You have to show guys chasing him or tackling him or something.
Nathan Owens:Like, it takes, you know, 12 guys on each side or 11 guys on each.
Nathan Owens:So it's like, it's just.
Nathan Owens:It's such a bigger thing to shoot.
Nathan Owens:And I feel like America as a whole and most movie fans are so much more used to seeing football games on tv.
Nathan Owens:And it would look weird to watch a movie about a football game and see a guy soloed out like that.
Nathan Owens:Like, you would go, somebody should hit him by now.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:But I think that's why, like, baseball is, like, the perfect.
Nathan Owens:It's the perfect sport for movies because you can take these moments and have, like, a real close up on one person and then zoom out and show the game film.
Nathan Owens:And it's also a sport that, to its detriment at times, historically, looks very similar to how it's always looked.
Nathan Owens:Like you look at World series from the 60s, like Willie Mays.
Nathan Owens:You could pluck him into any team right now.
Nathan Owens:It moves the same way, really.
Nathan Owens:After the 60s, baseball looks relatively the same.
Nathan Owens:So it's very easy to just plug in any year for any guys.
Nathan Owens:Like, and the equipment all looks relatively the same.
Nathan Owens:Like, you're not having to produce leather helmets for guys to wear or anything like that.
Nathan Owens:Like, it just.
Nathan Owens:It.
Nathan Owens:I.
Nathan Owens:I feel like baseball was such a natural choice cinematically.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:And whereas.
Nathan Owens:And that's one of the reasons, like.
Kyle: nsive end from today into the: Nathan Owens:Anybody would.
Nathan Owens:And like almost any other sport and like the.
Nathan Owens:The NBA, as much as I love, you know, basketball, there's a certain era that if you go back to, you're gonna have a lot of trouble finding actors who kind of look like those, look and move like those guys did.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Because it is so, like, so jerky.
Nathan Owens:But baseball, the swings look the same.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Like, it's the same fundamentals.
Nathan Owens:The field looks the same.
Nathan Owens:Like, it's.
Nathan Owens:There's a.
Nathan Owens:There's a comforting consistency to it as a fan.
Nathan Owens:And then you look at something like that and you're like, oh, this is perfect.
Kyle:Yeah, it's.
Nathan Owens:It's so like.
Nathan Owens:It's like a Lego.
Nathan Owens:Just pull out one piece, plug in another one.
Nathan Owens:You don't.
Nathan Owens:You don't skip.
Nathan Owens:You don't miss a beat.
Nathan Owens:It's fantastic.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:So in where I ended up landing is I liked it because I think my, My.
Kyle:Even though I was like, I would love to see, like, a good attempt at a lot of choreography at the Same time, it's giving us opportunity to really enjoy this dialogue, to really enjoy the scenes with the daughter and the family and his personal struggles.
Kyle:And some of the best baseball scenes that are choreographed are the flashbacks where you're seeing him strike out and because those felt really heavy.
Kyle:So I think when they did choose to use it, they used it in a really good way.
Kyle:So I totally go gets on base here.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, yeah, it's, it's, it's been on base for me.
Kyle:You're living on.
Kyle:We are living on base.
Nathan Owens:I, I, this movie lives on base.
Nathan Owens:Every time I turn on the tv.
Kyle:It'S runners of the corners, we're crowding the plate.
Kyle:We were actually.
Nathan Owens:Here we go.
Kyle:So that actually does lead well into the next category.
Kyle:So given that the, there are some choreographed scenes, like, what do you think about it?
Kyle:Is that, do those get on base for you?
Kyle:Do you like them?
Kyle:The moments they do use it, or do you, you think they should have just gone all with old, old scenes from real games or.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, I mean, I think, I think they did the perfect way of showing, you know, because they mix the old games with a quick show of, you know, Philip Seymour Hoffman in the dugout.
Nathan Owens:So you kind of get that.
Nathan Owens:So I, I thought that they did it perfectly.
Nathan Owens:I do think, like Jaws, when you've got actors, less is more with sports because at some point somebody is going to get exposed.
Nathan Owens:And I think you see it a lot with Battle.
Nathan Owens:You brought up Stranger Things.
Nathan Owens:Stranger Things is one of the worst basketball scenes.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:I've ever seen.
Nathan Owens:But also, it's like, it's not what these guys do.
Nathan Owens:Like, you can't, you can't, you know, ask, ask guys to do things like that anyway, so I, I would say, like, yes, I think they did a job.
Nathan Owens:Less is more.
Nathan Owens:Show a few key moments, but even then, respectfully reenact them as accurately as you can.
Nathan Owens:And yeah, show the footage because that's what people, people love to see.
Nathan Owens: They love to see that grainy: Nathan Owens: Seeing an early: Nathan Owens:Like, stuff like that.
Nathan Owens:I think Fantastic.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:But yeah, sports scenes.
Nathan Owens:Less is more, I think.
Kyle:Cool.
Kyle:Yeah, I agree.
Kyle:It gets on base for me too.
Kyle:It's like I mentioned this earlier, but they made creative choices, like with the lighting, with, with the scene that they did a play by play emulation of, of the, the Kansas City game.
Kyle:And I love how it gets dark and it's just the, you just got the diamond and Everything else outside of it is really dark.
Kyle:And I also like how they use lighting in slow motion with the flashbacks.
Kyle:I really felt like you were.
Kyle:I don't know.
Kyle:And I don't know who the young actor is who played the young Billy Bean, but he.
Kyle:He did a great job.
Kyle:His facial expressions, like.
Kyle:I feel like those moments actually weighed really heavily because you're seeing kind of slowly, they're minimal, but you're seeing why he's bitter, why he's jaded, why he's okay with destroying the system.
Kyle:And I totally.
Kyle:It gets on base for me.
Kyle:So I think it's perfect.
Kyle:And I'd like to see some newer sports movies that kind of maybe, you know, lean less on choreographed sports and, you know, maybe lean more into that dialogue like this movie did.
Kyle:So.
Nathan Owens:Yes, I agree.
Kyle:Boom.
Kyle:Well, I mean, it's too late now.
Kyle:I mean, we're winning.
Kyle:I mean, it's.
Kyle:It's.
Kyle:It's a winner.
Kyle:But we got one last category.
Kyle:We got to do it.
Nathan Owens:Hey, swing away.
Kyle:And this is Green Light.
Kyle:Yeah, swing.
Kyle:Just swing.
Kyle:This is a fun one.
Kyle:I love randomly getting to pull, like, data and analytics because I'm a nerd.
Kyle:You know, it's a good movie to do that for.
Kyle:This one's called Drafted Too High.
Kyle:Was this Drafted Too High?
Kyle:And I only say that because, you know, we had the Ryan Leafs, you know, the number one draft picks that do nothing overrated coming out of college.
Kyle:You know this movie?
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Kyle:I pulled and analyzed the top sports movies according to Rotten Tomatoes of all time.
Kyle:And I'm going to read a few.
Kyle:Number one, the Wrestler with Mickey Rourke.
Kyle:Number two, Hoop Dreams at 98%.
Kyle:Both of those are at 98%.
Kyle:Raging Bull, 94.
Kyle:Something.
Kyle:That's classics.
Kyle:Freaking cinema Creed, 95%.
Kyle:Wow.
Kyle:Creed's up there.
Kyle:Ford versus Ferrari, 92%.
Kyle:Moneyball at number six with 94%.
Kyle:Beating Rocky at 91%.
Kyle:The Fighter, David or Ussel.
Kyle:Christian Bale and Marky Mark over there.
Kyle:Senna.
Kyle:I don't know that one.
Kyle:Do you know that one?
Kyle:I don't even know that one.
Nathan Owens:I'm looking that up now.
Nathan Owens:It's a.
Nathan Owens:It's a racing movie.
Kyle:Boo.
Kyle:Cars aren't sports.
Kyle:I don't know.
Kyle:Maybe they are.
Kyle:They would probably.
Kyle:Someone.
Kyle:Someone out there is gonna hate me for saying that, but it's.
Nathan Owens:Cars aren't sports.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:When we just give the metal to the car, they're the one that did.
Kyle:All the work, like Lightning McQueen.
Kyle:I'm so familiar with cars.
Nathan Owens:Is cars on here?
Nathan Owens:Is Cars, one of the best sports movies of all time.
Nathan Owens:If Ford versus Ferrari is.
Kyle:What if Cars was like, number two above Raging Bull?
Kyle:That would be.
Kyle:This is wild, though.
Kyle:Now I'm, like, looking down this list.
Kyle:So When We Were Kings rounds out the top 10 at 98.
Kyle:Some of these aren't even order.
Kyle:I don why it's doing that, but Million Dollar Baby is outside of the top 10.
Kyle:Hoosiers.
Kyle:The blind side.
Kyle:I didn't like the Blind side.
Kyle:It turns out that whole story was anyway, League of Their Own Sandlot.
Kyle:I'm not surprised at Sandlot.
Kyle:Overrated.
Kyle:People are going to hate me for that.
Kyle:The Natural.
Kyle:Oh, Major League.
Nathan Owens:Major League.
Kyle:Love it.
Nathan Owens:I.
Nathan Owens: know in the year of our Lord: Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:I'm like, what?
Nathan Owens:What a movie.
Nathan Owens:I think it's the best Charlie Sheen performance easily.
Nathan Owens:You forget how funny Wesley Snipes is because you're so used to him being Blade.
Nathan Owens:I think our generation is like, that was kind of his biggest thing, I mean, at least for me, was I knew him as.
Nathan Owens:I knew him as Blake.
Nathan Owens:And then to see him in this, you're like, oh, no, this is.
Nathan Owens:He's fantastic.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Like, this is.
Nathan Owens:White man can't jump.
Nathan Owens:Funny that.
Nathan Owens:I can't.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Moneyball.
Nathan Owens:We'll have to do a sequel with Major League.
Kyle:Pre.
Kyle:I.
Kyle:This is pre irs.
Kyle:We.
Kyle:We do this on the Movie wars podcast.
Kyle:We always got to talk about, like, pre irs Nicholas Cage, pre IRS Wesley Snipes.
Kyle:You know, this is.
Kyle:This is the golden era before foreclosures.
Nathan Owens:This might have led to one of them.
Kyle:Yeah, it may have.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:Look at this.
Kyle:Varsity Blues is 40%.
Kyle:We don't have to go all the way down the list.
Kyle:But that offends me, man.
Kyle:That offends me.
Kyle:I love Varsity Blues, but that Varsity.
Nathan Owens:Blues is a 40.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:What are they.
Kyle:What are they doing out here?
Nathan Owens:Oh, crap.
Nathan Owens:Is this the Tomato Meter or is this the.
Nathan Owens:The.
Nathan Owens:The popcorn?
Kyle:This is the tomato.
Kyle:This is the official.
Nathan Owens:Okay.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:So car cars is 74% tomato meter.
Kyle:Okay.
Nathan Owens:So maybe that's why it's not on this list.
Nathan Owens:Because if they're going to put racing movies on there.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:I.
Nathan Owens:I don't know if there's a.
Nathan Owens:I don't know if there's a more accurate racing movie where you go, no, the car is the character.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:Jackson Storm, man.
Kyle:I mean, he would crap all over everybody here.
Nathan Owens:I do think the interesting one on this list Is dodgeball.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Because just.
Nathan Owens:Okay, does it maybe on paper is a sports movie, but it's that nobody's ever watched that and been like, man, what a great.
Nathan Owens:What a great athletic story.
Kyle:Great choreography where they're hitting each other in the balls.
Nathan Owens:It's literally an anti sports movie.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Like, it makes fun of the people.
Nathan Owens:It makes fun of athletes, essentially.
Nathan Owens:Like, you might as well put heavyweights on it.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:So do you think 7.91percent being clustered amongst Raging Bull, the likes of the wrestler?
Kyle:I mean, is that too high or.
Kyle:I mean, I know you love it.
Nathan Owens:But look, I would if I don't think this list gets on base.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:So I think this list is what losing sounds like.
Nathan Owens:But again, as somebody who loves Moneyball and loves baseball, I love hard, cold numbers telling me that my feelings don't matter.
Nathan Owens:And that's what this list is doing.
Nathan Owens:So it's like, hey, you might love this movie, but you don't love it as much as the world loves the wrestler.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:So it's 100% in my heart.
Nathan Owens:But, yes, I think it's.
Nathan Owens:I think it's far too low.
Nathan Owens:And I think anybody who does not give it 100%, watch it again, because you're wrong.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:Go to jail.
Nathan Owens:Do not collect.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Do not collect 200.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Do not pass.
Nathan Owens:Go right to jail.
Nathan Owens:If you don't like Moneyball in the.
Kyle:Dining room with a candlestick.
Kyle:Wrong game.
Kyle:Sorry.
Nathan Owens:Head down that chute.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:And do not climb up that ladder.
Kyle:Oh, man.
Kyle:Shoots and ladders.
Kyle:What a game.
Kyle:This.
Kyle:This one really messed with me because there's so many movies that I do love on here.
Kyle:Like, Raging Bull is just.
Kyle:Just.
Kyle:Oh, that's.
Kyle:I would say it's appropriately placed.
Kyle:I.
Kyle:I do think the choices that we've been talking about with the dialogue, with the limited choreography, I think, you know, I think the.
Kyle:The things that make Raging Bull the wrestler and some of these other movies better.
Kyle:And I would put Rocky.
Kyle:I would rate Rocky higher than Moneyball the fighter as well.
Kyle:But that's because they're fighting movies and they actually, you're.
Kyle:They're.
Kyle:They do really good choreography with fighting movies.
Kyle:And maybe it's easier than baseball or football, but it had both.
Kyle:It had everything.
Kyle:Raging Bull had the incredible fighting to me, and it also had just the classic Scorsese dialogue.
Kyle:So.
Nathan Owens:But so not to turn this into a boxing podcast.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:What do those.
Nathan Owens:What do those movies had?
Nathan Owens:Because you haven't mentioned Creed yet.
Nathan Owens:And I in Creed is very much.
Nathan Owens:What have you done for Me lately, but it's already got a trilogy.
Nathan Owens:I've only seen the first Creed, and I'm not a huge.
Nathan Owens:I'm not a boxing fan, and I'm not a huge fan of boxing, but I enjoyed Creed.
Nathan Owens:So I'm.
Nathan Owens:I'm curious, as a movie and a boxing person, why that doesn't reach the.
Nathan Owens:The pinnacle for you.
Kyle:Oh, I.
Kyle:I do like them.
Kyle:It's.
Kyle:It's.
Kyle:I actually do like Creed quite a bit.
Kyle:I've only.
Kyle:I've only seen each of them once.
Kyle:For me, it was just.
Kyle:I.
Kyle:Maybe.
Kyle:And it might have been just some bias at the time, because I'm like, how much more can we get out of the Rocky franchise?
Kyle:You know, that was my thing going into it.
Kyle:It's like we're just bleeding the Rocky franchise to death, you know?
Kyle:And then you got Rocky 5, you know, and old SL.
Nathan Owens:Does Creed fight in the second or third movie?
Nathan Owens:A family member of Thunder Lips, Because I know he fights Drago's kid.
Kyle:Right?
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:I had to remember.
Nathan Owens:And then I'm like, that's, that's great.
Nathan Owens:Good, good Rocky villain to bring back.
Nathan Owens:But Hulk Hogan's a villain now.
Kyle:Yep.
Nathan Owens:So where is, where is the son of Thunder Lips coming to fight Creed?
Kyle:Yeah, I.
Nathan Owens:That's.
Nathan Owens:I'll.
Nathan Owens:I'll get back on board with boxing movies.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:I gotta dig in if you can bring that.
Kyle:It's been a long time.
Kyle:I'm trying to remember, but, no, I do love.
Nathan Owens:I don't.
Nathan Owens:I don't know which one that was.
Kyle:Yeah, I do love Michael B.
Kyle:Jordan.
Kyle:No, and I would.
Kyle:I'd put them.
Kyle:I would put them up there, too.
Kyle:I mean, they're, you know.
Kyle:Okay.
Nathan Owens:They're in the comments.
Kyle:Yeah, they're definitely in the combo.
Kyle:Sorry.
Kyle:I just.
Kyle:When I see raging bul.
Kyle:Go, I go places mentally, you know?
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:No, no, no.
Nathan Owens:I, I, I get it.
Nathan Owens:Like, those are.
Nathan Owens:Those are classics.
Nathan Owens:And Creed, again, like, they had to.
Nathan Owens:Almost had to, like, reinvigorate a whole genre that the 80s nailed.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:So I, I get that they were playing from behind the eight ball, but I was just curious if it was like, oh, did I.
Nathan Owens:Did everybody miss something where, like, boxing and movie people are like, it's good, but it's not.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:It's.
Nathan Owens:Miss it.
Nathan Owens:Missed the mark.
Nathan Owens:It's not a.
Nathan Owens:Not a K.O.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Oh, right, for.
Nathan Owens:Yeah.
Kyle:Oh, down for the count.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:Against the ropes.
Nathan Owens:Throw in the damn towel.
Kyle:Gambling.
Kyle:Oh, yeah.
Kyle:In the dining room with the candlestick.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:No, but I.
Kyle:This gets on base I think even though I would rate.
Kyle:I would rate it down, I still think it belongs in the echelon.
Kyle:I don't think it was.
Kyle:If anything, it was, you know, played.
Kyle:Maybe didn't play enough college games to get a great body of work, but still got drafted from Gonzaga somehow.
Kyle:I don't know if Gonzaga even has football, but.
Kyle:And came in and, you know, was sat behind the quarterback making 200 miles.
Kyle:That quarterback went down, and Gonzaga boy came in and Moneyballed all over the place.
Kyle:So I went deep on sports.
Kyle:But, no, I think.
Kyle:I just think.
Kyle:I think it's worth it.
Kyle:The drama is great.
Kyle:I think it.
Kyle:Yeah, it's.
Kyle:It's in the echelon again.
Kyle:Not.
Kyle:Not as high as Raging Bull, but definitely belongs in the same realm, so.
Kyle:Wow.
Kyle:77 to 0.
Kyle:7, 070.
Kyle:Not surprised.
Nathan Owens:That's.
Nathan Owens:And that's Moneyball.
Nathan Owens:It's all about getting on base.
Nathan Owens:We just.
Nathan Owens:We just proved it.
Nathan Owens:We just proved the theory of Moneyball.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:I mean, you were crunching numbers.
Kyle:You had your spreadsheets.
Kyle:I have the production.
Nathan Owens:I got, man.
Nathan Owens:If there.
Nathan Owens:If there's one thing that you need, it's you find the guy who took three tries to get through algebra one.
Nathan Owens:I'll tell you about numbers.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, I gotcha.
Kyle:Yeah, dude, I know.
Kyle:Well, that makes two of us.
Kyle:I took.
Kyle:I always.
Kyle:My kids struggle with math, and I told them I was like.
Kyle:I took introductory algebra in my junior year of college.
Nathan Owens:It's.
Nathan Owens:But that's what's so funny about especially being a sports fan, is that I hate math.
Nathan Owens:Numbers confuse me to no end.
Nathan Owens:And I love sports stats.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:So there's.
Nathan Owens:There's something to it where you just go.
Nathan Owens:If it's tangible, I like it.
Nathan Owens:Being able to see it versus all the hypothetical stuff.
Nathan Owens:But, yeah, that's what's great.
Nathan Owens:I mean, this movie.
Nathan Owens:Think about that.
Nathan Owens:I am the enemy of math.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:A sworn enemy.
Nathan Owens:A sworn lifelong enemy of math.
Nathan Owens:And even I was able to sit down and go, hey, numbers are cool.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Same so good from Good for Money.
Kyle:Wow.
Kyle:Made us math people.
Kyle:Look at that.
Nathan Owens:Well, let's.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Math acceptor.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:Accepting.
Kyle:Accepting math.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:Tolerant of math.
Kyle:I wish math intolerant was like, an actual allergy because I would have gotten a doctor's note.
Kyle:It'd have been amazing.
Nathan Owens:I'd be dead.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:It would have killed me as a child.
Nathan Owens:I would have been one of those stories.
Kyle:Yeah.
Nathan Owens:They would have named a disease after me if I.
Nathan Owens:You could be allergic to math.
Kyle:That's incredible, dude.
Kyle:Well, man, I was so glad to have you finally on the show.
Kyle:And we.
Kyle:This was a blast.
Kyle:We got to do it again.
Nathan Owens:Fantastic.
Kyle:Yeah, you'll be my sports guy because it's hard to get the.
Kyle:To get my other crew on board with some of the sports stuff, but this was a blast.
Kyle:And January 17th, and they'll be probably in a week, week and a half after we recorded.
Kyle:They'll hear it, but we'll get those links out there.
Kyle:Make sure you check out our social get.
Kyle:Get into our podcast description.
Kyle:And Nathan's one of the funniest people out there.
Kyle:And so if you're in the Atlanta area, also, go.
Kyle:Yeah, dude, amazing.
Kyle:Go out and check out Atlanta comedy, too.
Kyle:If you're one of our Georgia listeners.
Kyle:It's totally worth it.
Kyle:Some of the.
Kyle:I love going up there, man, because everyone's just so welcoming and friendly.
Kyle:And, dude, thank you again.
Kyle:Have a great week, buddy.
Nathan Owens:Yeah, man.
Nathan Owens:Thank you.
Nathan Owens:I'm looking forward to this.
Kyle:Yeah.
Kyle:See you, buddy.
