Bill and Ted Face The Music with Evan Berke
We’re wrapping up our journey through the Bill and Ted trilogy with the final film, Face the Music — and joining us for the ride is touring comedian Evan Berke, who brings both sharp wit and real insight to this surprisingly emotional sequel.
Thank you to my dear friend Boys Watching Buffy and The Revisionist Almanac for providing a trailer.
Enjoy their shows!Nearly 30 years after Bogus Journey, Bill and Ted are back — older, still optimistic, and now raising daughters while trying to save the world (again). In this episode, we break down how Face the Music handles legacy, aging, and creative pressure, all while staying true to the ridiculous heart that’s defined this franchise since 1989.
We get into the dynamics between Bill, Ted, and their daughters, how time travel is used not just as a plot device but as a way to explore self-reflection, and what it means to pass the torch to a new generation. There’s plenty of love here for the bizarre, heartfelt tone of the film, and Evan adds thoughtful perspective on the balance of comedy and sentiment — especially when it comes to stories that try to say something real while being totally bonkers.
From trombone solos in hell to Kid Cudi’s quantum theories, this movie has it all. But at its core, Face the Music is about friendship, hope, and the messiness of trying to leave something behind that matters. Whether or not this final chapter hit the mark for you, our conversation digs into what makes this film a fascinating — and oddly moving — end to one of the weirdest trilogies in movie history.
💡 Takeaways:
- Touring comedian Evan Berke joins us for a deep dive into Bill and Ted Face the MusicWe unpack how the film blends absurdity with real emotional stakes
- Bill and Ted’s evolution as aging rock dads brings new heart to the story
- We explore themes of generational legacy, creative burnout, and collaboration
- Time travel as a metaphor for growth and reflection
- Friendship, failure, and what it means to finish the song — even when the clock’s running out
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Transcript
Foreign. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Movie wars podcast. I'm Kyle.
Seth:I'm Seth.
Kyle:I'm Evan Burke.
Speaker A:Evan back. He's coming back to wrap up the trifecta.
Kyle:That is a little hat trick.
Speaker A:Oh, we're doing crushing it. We are wrapping up our Bill and Ted series with Face the music.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:Wow.
Seth:20 years later, or I guess almost 30 year later.
Speaker A:Yeah. In some ways, not skipping a beat.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, not at all. Watching the. Watching the interviews with Keanu and Alex around the first two again.
The Shout Factory has an amazing 4K trilogy that I bought that's worth every penny. It was 65 bucks. Worth every penny. Commentaries, special features, interviews with Steve Vai about playing air guitar in these movies. It goes deep.
And you can just tell that Alex or. And Keanu have not stopped being friends all these years. Yeah. And I don't. I'm not gonna. I'll come right out. I had a hard time with this movie.
I'm not gonna say I hated it, but I did struggle a little bit, mostly because as, you know, as the audience, if you've been a Movie wars fan for a while, I struggle with new things, especially when they redo. Luckily, we have Keanu and Alex here. That helped. But if they. If they completely redid this, without them, I would have been freaking out.
Kyle:I've been horrible.
Seth:He also struggles with movies about redhead men who look like boys, who have dogs and travel across the world.
Speaker A: ey knew we were talking about: Seth:I said, redhead men who look like boys.
Speaker A:Yes. I struggle with Irish orphanages. Yes. But you're right. Yeah.
New things hurt me, you know, like the other day someone asked, do you like any new actors? Like, I like John Bernthal. But I was like, well, when did the Walking Dead start again?
Seth:I was like.
Speaker A:I was like, I guess Jeremy Allen White's the only new actor that I like. He's the only new one that I like. But anyway, yeah, this was an interesting. You know, I guess I. My first question is.
Is, like, what was out there in the ether that that motivated? What do you guys think? Culturally said. Because they're rebooting everything.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:They're remaking a lot of things. Luckily, we can technically call this a trilogy entry.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:But some. In some ways, because of the daughter aspect, it is kind of a reboot.
Seth:I don't think it's getting any more after this, so I don't. I don't know. I would consider It a reboot. It definitely feels like it capped off the trailer trilogy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Seth:Because you finally got the song.
Speaker A: They conceived it in: Seth:I mean, clearly for them, they wanted to do it for a while.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Seth: getting it. Trying to go from: Speaker A:Yeah.
Seth:Sometimes, especially if it's not in the cultural zeitgeist, it takes a while to get something like that made.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Seth:Like, it can literally. I've.
I've heard so many directors say that it took them 10, 15 years to get a single movie made, and they had to go make other movies to fund themselves while they were actually trying to get the one they wanted to make done. So I don't know.
I don't recall anything in: Speaker A:Right.
Kyle:I think it's one of those things. Very similar to bad boys.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle: , maybe. Second, bad boys:I think it's one of those things where, you know, I used to work for tmz and oftentimes reporters just need to ask a question.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:And if there is a beloved movie or series or something, it's an easy question to ask. So I'm sure a lot of times Keanu Reeves was getting questions like, hey, a lot of fans love Bill and Ted.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:Any chance you, You. You bring that back?
Because, like, especially when you're interviewing these guys, you're always kind of looking for what movies of theirs could be made. I mean, it just got announced last week that Ice Cube is doing the last Friday.
Speaker A:Right.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:So once you create something that people love, there will always be rumblings if it feels like the story's unfinished, where, hey, if you're not working on anything, make another one of these.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Kyle:Just. Why, why wouldn't you? And I think that's kind of what had been always circulating around Bill and Ted.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Kyle:And. And I think Keanu had gotten to this point where, again, you just get. You.
You're like, how cool would it be to see him go back and do this character after doing John Wick and after doing the Matrix? And we. We want to see it. America Almost Loves a Train Wreck.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:To where sometimes they. They. You say you want these things because really? You want it to be like, again, we're about to get Happy Gilmore, too.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Kyle:Like, why?
Speaker A:It's.
Kyle:Because it's just a beloved thing.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:And people are always like, we're bored.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:Why not?
Seth:That's fair.
Kyle:Nostalgia. And so I think that's what rumblings had always been there.
Perfect time just came along where I think Alex and Keanu were like, yeah, I got a break, and it's not gonna hurt my career to do this movie.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Kyle:You know, if Keanu is doing the third one before the Matrix, in the middle of the Matrix, even right after the Matrix, it's like, well, you just ruined all of your momentum.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:Any of your momentum to become John Wick, you're like, that's not happening.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:So I think he's just at a point where he realized he's immune to really. If the movie flopped, wouldn't matter, as.
Seth:He proved with Matrix 4, which. Did Matrix 4 come out before this?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Seth:Okay. That is probably what it was. Now that I'm thinking about it, Matrix 4 got made or at least announced.
And I'll bet you the people involved at Bill and Ted were like, oh, we got to capitalize on this. They're bringing back his biggest franchise. Let's bring back his first franchise.
Kyle:And it's like, again, in this. And Keanu was going through such a moment of, like, being known as, like, hey, at meet and greets. He doesn't touch women.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:Sorry. Matrix came out year after.
Seth:Oh, year after. Okay. I wonder. I wonder when they were announced around the same time then.
Kyle:But, yeah, he was going through this moment of Keanu being, like, the best guy ever.
Seth:Right.
Kyle:You've heard the stories on the Internet. But then there were pictures of him, like, not. And everyone was having this Keanu moment, and I think we just.
We wanted more precious Keanu, however we could get it, like. And I think studios were, like, tapping into that.
Seth:Well, especially after hearing how he's turned down, like, Marvel, like, seven times.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Seth:Like, literally every time they've come to him with an offer for a new character, he's like, no, I'm good. And. But then. But then he'll show up as a face in. In the SpongeBob movie.
Speaker A:Like, or do Shadow and Sonic. Yeah.
Seth:Like, he's so unserious and yet so serious about the. That he plays, but he's never. It feels like he's never calculating what's going to make him the next paycheck because, I mean, the money he's.
I'm pretty sure the Residuals he gets from the Matrix, he just donates.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Seth:He doesn't keep it anymore.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Seth:So I think he's just at the point where he's like, what. What am I going to enjoy doing? Am I going to have fun with this? Am I going to be able to have a good time making a movie?
I'll bet you there are so many of those, especially the A list actors who for the longest time had to take. Had to take movies.
Kyle:Right.
Seth:Because they needed the paycheck to survive and had to work on a lot of bad projects that they didn't want to be there for. But it paid the bills. Keanu finally hit that point where it was just like, I can do whatever I want, so why wouldn't I?
Speaker A:Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. So those are all great thoughts. Yeah. I. I think for me, part of the struggle was some of the. There are some very obvious zoomer.
Gen Z or elements.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:They added to this movie.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:Mostly with the daughters.
Seth:I love the daughters.
Speaker A:Really?
Seth:I thought that was a solid addition because at this point it's been long enough. Yeah. They're gonna have kids. Like, you can't get around that. So it doesn't.
Kyle:Being dads is so funny because.
Seth:Yeah, they're good dudes. They are.
Kyle:They love the princesses. Of course they're gonna have babies with the prince.
Seth:Exactly.
Kyle:Like, they're not. They're not guys that just wanna.
Speaker A:And.
Kyle:And honestly, like. Oh, man, the couples therapy stuff.
Speaker A:So good.
Kyle:But yeah, no, I think.
Seth:Oh, my God. First off, Jillian Bell, I love her so much. She plays the therapist. Yeah, she is.
She has become one of my favorite comedic actors over the last five to 10 years. Everything that I've had, like seen her in. She was in 22 Jump Street. Amazing in that.
There have been a bunch of other comedies she's been in recently. The. The Night before, my favorite Christmas movie with Seth Rogen and Anthony Mackie and Joseph Gordon Levitt. Yeah, she's in that.
And she is utterly hilarious. Like, every time I see her, she pops up and she's so good. And she was so good in that scene.
Do you guys not see how they might not like you saying it that way? Oh, bro, we did it wrong. Yeah.
Kyle:I think it's just at, you know, had it. Having the children having the. Their wives having marriage counseling. It just. It's.
It's what they would be doing right now, especially if they're still haven't made it in their whole lives on Wild Stallions and nothing to shame for it.
Seth:I Didn't feel like the daughters took anything away. Like it didn't feel shoehorned. It didn't feel like they were trying to pass the baton.
It felt like a natural continuation of the hijinks they would get into.
Cuz, of course, if they have kids, of course their kids are going to be every bit as curious about everything like they are, so they're just going to go for it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Seth:And I thought the journey too, like making everybody do some sort of time travel thing before they bring back the spiritual element. Like, none of it felt forced. It all felt like things.
If you're gonna make a sequel 20, 30 years later, you've got to bring back certain elements from the old movies that people love, but find a new way to do that.
And I feel like, especially story wise, I don't think this felt too similar story wise to the other two, but just similar enough that it still worked.
Speaker A:Yeah. Yeah. Good stuff.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:Maybe it's time for you to face the music because you haven't shared Movie Wars. I hate these and I love these at the same time, but you got to do it. That's the first thing they tell you when they say, I want to start a podcast.
Like, make sure you tell them to share it.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:Even if it doesn't exist. Or saying, make sure you share it. So this is me telling you, and this does exist for five years and you haven't shared it. Face the music. Share.
We got Evan here crushing it.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:I bet you haven't shared a special either, have you? Pathetic shit.
Kyle:They haven't yet. They know share it, but they're sharing it right now. I see them. They're sharing right now.
Speaker A:They're on it.
Kyle:We appreciate you.
Speaker A:I see you.
Seth:And then we're going to have the people who are going to come on and be like, yeah, podcast equipment should cost more money.
Speaker A:Yeah. Yeah. You trolls with your comments telling me I look fat even though I've lost £40.
Seth: These threes cost. Cost like $: Speaker A:These are off. These are the. The premiere. Yeah, yeah. And I edit in Pro Tools.
Seth:There we go.
Speaker A:You should try it. You should try editing in Pro Tools. It's hard as hell.
Seth:It is.
Speaker A:Love, y'all. All right. The only question I have is, would anyone else have a panic attack visiting an old or a new version of themselves?
Seth:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Seth:Oh, yeah. Oh, my God.
Kyle:I like how they do that, though. And I. I like. I like how they. You know, it's just again. And I think that's where. That's where we get the new characters.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:That's where we get the other thems. You know, the other us's.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:Is they're not evil, but there's all that. They're meeting them at different points in time if certain things don't go.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:I mean, my favorite is when they meet them and they're like the Rolling Stones.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yes.
Seth:That is at Dave Grohl's house. I mean, that was such a good movie.
Speaker A:There was hilarious.
Kyle:I'd be terrified to be my future self. But I do feel like I. I may have. You know, I think, you know, that's one reason why I like this.
This plot is because we all look at our lives and we have visions and. And, you know, we talked about it maybe earlier about. On the movie Arrival with Amy Adams, this Alien movie.
This idea that's put forward in that movie is that anything that's ever happened in your life has already happened. And you can access it at any moment, whether it's past or. Or present or future, which is amazing.
And you can kind of go between and interact with those things.
And I think there's a certain truth to that in people where, like, if you had dreams growing up of performing, well, it's likely because you're going to be a performer when you're older and you just haven't gotten there yet, but you know, you're headed there.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Kyle:Sometimes I think about that with our children and I think about this idea of, I got. I know something's gonna happen that I'm responsible for, but is it me or is it a product of me?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Kyle:And I love this idea of this whole time, they think it's them that creates this song, but ultimately it ends up being everyone. Everyone, but more specifically, their children that ends up leading it, which, again, it's almost like. Yes, you can take credit for that as well.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Kyle:Right. If we're comparing it to wrestling.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:It's like Dusty Rhodes never winning the world heavyweight title, but then Cody Rhodes, his son.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:Comes along and wins it. Well, Dusty probably always knew this will be in my family, and he always thought it was probably going to be him.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:But then you have children, you're like, oh, you're actually the one to bring this to the family.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:So I do love that. That plot that gets. That gets put forward here.
Seth:Yeah. And I genuinely love the B plot of the kids in general. Like, I love.
I love that their whole thing is we got to find all of the greatest musicians from all of time. Including fucking Kid Cudi.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Seth:That was my favorite part, was just Kid Cudi randomly showing up.
Kyle:I think he's just a big fan of Bill and Ted. Oh, sure he is. He just jumped at the opportunity. He's like, I'm trying to get into acting.
Seth:It's so good.
Also, I like the little idea of, like, the wives going on there, even though you don't really, like, go with them for most of it, but also the one moment where they, like, cross paths and they're like, we're still fixing it. Like, just. There were so many. See, this is one.
Comparing it to the second one, there were more memorable moments in this one for me, as opposed to the second one. Just the whole experience was more memorable, but this one had little individual. I was literally laughing out loud the whole time.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Seth:Today when I was watching it, like, I had a ball watching this movie.
Speaker A:There's a big heart to it, too. And again, like, the first time I watched it, I was a little kind of disoriented and didn't enjoy it. But then I started thinking about it. I was like.
One thing that kind of became apparent to me later is, like, this was really about the heart. Yeah. Because second was such a creative, strange endeavor where they took a lot of, like, side road, side quests.
This one was really, like, you kind of mentioned, like, that generational. The unification that this whole series has been about, which is, how do we unify? They did it in a big way here.
Kyle:And.
Speaker A:And at first, like, I got kind of lost in the zoomer thing. I was like, I don't like that. But I was like, yeah, it's kind of cool.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:They all got together and none of.
Seth:It really felt cheesy either. Like, they kept the tone very much the same as the other two movies. It basically, for me, felt like they just were here with better cameras.
Because again, even when they're going through the time machine and are going through the. The. The quantum realm area, whatever it was called, it felt the same. I'm sure.
I'm sure if I just sat them side by side, they would look better, obviously. But it felt the same.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Seth:Like, I never once was just like, oh, they're purposefully making this look cheap or whatever. Like, it just. It. It all flowed together so. So.
Speaker A:Well, totally agree.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:Rando.
Seth:Randos.
Speaker A:The ending of Bogus Journey caused a lot of issues for this because if you remember during the credits, it's all headlines.
Seth:Yes.
Speaker A:Of them doing a bunch of stuff.
Seth:Yes.
Speaker A:And a lot of that would completely mess with this storyline because a lot of that was about their successes.
Kyle:Yeah.
Speaker A:How they're doing all these things, but really this, the premise of this movie is that they didn't ever do the thing.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so those headlines were wrong in terms of this movie.
Seth:Well, well, hold on.
Because I thought they had success at first, and then in, in those headlines, I thought Death, like, it showed the whole thing of Death going off and doing his own thing.
Speaker A:Yeah, it did show that at the.
Seth:End of the other movie.
Speaker A:Yeah. There was just some of the headlines, though, that messed with them. Trying to write conflicted with the story.
Some of them were accurate and they were able to incorporate.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:But also the babies were boys.
Seth:Oh, you're right.
Speaker A:At the end of Bogus. All right, so that was another thing. And, and no one really knows how that happened.
Like, I listened to some other podcasts that I was like, I don't know if they just forgot or.
Seth:But because it was 30 years, but they were boys.
Kyle:Yeah.
Seth:That's funny.
Speaker A:So that's a really interesting fact. But I love that ending credit scene in Bogus Journey, though.
Seth:I love, I love how that looks so good.
Speaker A:Yeah. Originally.
So the way that this, the, the original premise that they wanted to make with this movie is they wanted to have Bill and Ted be similar to Rufus and kind of find the old version of them and mentor them from this oldest. So they were going to become the Rufus and find the two young ones. So instead of having this daughter element, it was going to be that instead.
That was the original premise.
Seth:I don't like that as much.
Speaker A:I don't either.
Seth:Yeah, I don't. I, I, I, I know technically in the second one, Death was kind of replacing Rufus in some way, but they didn't, it didn't feel like it.
It felt like a whole other situation, a whole other character dynamic. So a lot of times with these reboots, I mean, we kind of got this with Star wars. They, they look too hard for, for.
Okay, what was the formula for the other one that worked. And that, to me sounds like what that would have been, was let's formulaically make another Bill and Ted movie versus how do we finish the story up?
Speaker A:Yeah, it's a good point.
Kyle:Yeah. I mean, all three just feel like they, they're kind of starting from scratch.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:So, you know, I.
Seth:Still building off each other, but can easily stand alone.
Kyle:Yeah. That's why I have no. I like how them are, like, they're reestablishing the plot at the beginning. They're like, yeah, we know how it ended.
This is how we're starting this one.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Kyle:New rules, new context.
Seth:Yeah. Perfectly self aware.
Kyle:Yeah.
Speaker A: tarted kicking this around in:So, in fact, Keanu and Alex, or sorry and Keanu, talk about in the. In the special features that they ran into him at a restaurant before he died. Like, he died a week later.
Seth:Oh.
Speaker A:And they were kicking and they kicked around this idea of him being back in it. And he was totally stoked.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:I. I was missing it.
Kyle:I love how he was in it.
Seth:I do, too.
Kyle:For that split second. It was a nice tribute. And it's like, yeah. Again, this. That's the thing about these movies is the heart.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:And that's what often gets missed in these trilogies and movies where they just keep going and adding a story when they don't really need to.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Kyle:This one maintained. Dude, we're doing this because we love each other.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Kyle:These characters love. Like in that. That's what. You know. And to honor him, like, that was awesome.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah. Speaking of Carlin, they're gonna do. They're doing another theatrical run of Dogma.
Seth:Oh.
Kyle:So I think they're trying to bring. I think they're trying to do another Dogma film too.
Speaker A:Yeah. So I. I'm down. That's my favorite. That's my favorite movie.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:I think. I think they're trying to do a second one.
Speaker A:Yeah. Carlin as the Pope.
Kyle:I actually need to go back and watch that movie because that cast is just Chris Rock.
Seth:I've never seen it.
Speaker A:Oh, bro. It's the funniest Jay and Silent Bob movie.
Seth:Nice.
Speaker A:It's.
Seth:I haven't seen any Jay and Silent Bob.
Speaker A:For real.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, they're great.
Kyle:Even the second one was good.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Kyle:Even the second J and Silent Bob was good.
Seth:I've heard good things about them.
Speaker A:Chasing Amy, Cler, the Only Rats.
Seth:The only Kevin Smith movie I think I have seen is Zach and Mary Make a Borno.
Speaker A:Okay.
Seth:Yeah. I don't know if I've seen.
Kyle:You need to see.
Seth:I feel like there was one I.
Kyle:Didn'T realize wasn't Kevin Smith is one of the best movies.
Seth:Oh, I've heard good things. I feel like there was one other movie that I've seen that I didn't realize was Kevin Smith. And at the end of it was like that. Okay.
Speaker A:G. Lee or G. Oh, Jiggly or whatever.
Kyle:Yeah.
Seth:No, not that one.
Speaker A:Yeah. Dude, Clerks. You got to start at Clerks.
Kyle:Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll have to do. Y'all have to do a view askew.
Speaker A:Yeah. There you go. Oh, yeah, that's the name of his production company. Yeah.
I don't know if you saw this, but during the concert scene at the end, the final concert, there's a Circle K billboard.
Seth:Oh, that's great.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Seth:As a callback, I grew up. Well, not grew up, but when I was in college, we had a Circle K across the street of Belmont, and that was like the spot.
Speaker A:Is it not there anymore?
Seth:I. No, I think it still is, but I. I don't live. I don't go to Belmont anymore. So.
Speaker A:Yeah, I just didn't know if they knocked it down, because they're knocking down everything in this town.
Seth:Yeah, well, Belmont's buying up that whole area, like now. They literally stretch from Belmont Boulevard all the way to 12th Avenue.
Speaker A:Great, that's what we need.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:More Belmont.
Seth:Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker A:I have. I have a funny Circle K story, too. My. My grandma lived in El Paso, and I would go there once a year.
Like it was a 24 hour drive from where I lived in Arkansas, El Paso. And there was a Circle K, but they carried Mexican candy and snacks because it was right on the border.
And so they would let me walk next to the border to this Circle K to get Mexican candy. It's like chili covered suckers. Yeah. You wouldn't let your kid walk around El Paso next to the border today.
But then she was like, yeah, just go ahead. Go get that candy you like. It's $5. Just go get that fucking candy you like. And I'm just like, all right, here I go, Grandma. Thanks, Grandma.
All right. Get skinned alive out here.
Seth:For some reason, when I picture you as a kid, you still have the goatee.
Speaker A:Yeah, just.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:And a triple chin. Just 100 pounds overweight. I fucking ruled. And little very meta thing here.
Once the characters are told they have 77 minutes to save the universe, there's exactly 77 minutes of runtime left in the movie now.
Seth:Okay. I. Is that until the credits roll?
Speaker A:That's. That's a question I had. I have.
Seth:Because I paused it as soon as I said that and there was more than 70.
Speaker A:Really left.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah. I don't know. Maybe after. Maybe before. I don't know.
Seth:Because I was hoping. But every time now, granted, I. That if that is too when the credits start, I can believe it.
But it's like every time they would mention the time, I would Go back and check. And it's. It always was. Was 10 minutes more.
Speaker A:Yeah. Yeah. Maybe. I don't know.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because they didn't have the commentary on this when I was left IMDb. Maybe it's some liar out there. Just some.
Seth:How dare you guys not do the commentary.
Speaker A:Do the commentary.
Seth:We all want the commentary.
Speaker A:We want it. Especially because I'll buy it. I'll just buy it right up.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:Shall we let our daughters fix the universe? Shall we?
Seth:You're the only one with daughters.
Speaker A:Oh, that's true. And two sons. Yeah.
Seth:You're the only one with kids. Is on these couches.
Speaker A:Shall we stare at Keanu without a beard?
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:Sans beard here. Little different without the beard these days. He looks shocking.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:Kind of shocking. Let's. Let's war. Let's face the music.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yes. As a reminder, the affirmative. Yes. I love it. I dig it. Be excellent to each other. And flunking most heinously is negative if you didn't dig it.
So top Bill cast. We got Keanu Reeve, Reeves, Alex Winter, and Kristen Shaw as Kelly.
Seth:I love the addition of Kristen Shaw's character. She is one of my favorite, especially voice actresses. But whenever she pops up something liveaction, I absolutely love her. She.
She can do no wrong, in my opinion. Like we talked about in. In one of the other episodes. I definitely think as. As much as I love Keanu, Alex Winters really stole the show with this one.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Seth:Like, he. He was so much fun and had a lot of the lines that were making me laugh out loud. So for me, this is definitely. Be excellent to each other.
Speaker A:Love it.
Kyle:I'm going. Failing most heinously.
Seth:Oh.
Kyle:Really enjoyed Keanu and Alex. Obviously, you're right. Alex was, I think, still in the show, bringing a lot more of the comedic elements to this one. Just seeing Keanu be Ted.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:Was funny.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Kyle:Because you could tell it was so, like, out of character for him. But then watching, you know, Alex really be great with Bill was. And just really, again, provide a lot of those elements.
And again, I like Kristen Shaw. I liked her in the movie. I just think we could have gotten one more bigger name to maybe carry this movie a little bit.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Seth:Kid Cudi wasn't big enough.
Kyle:I just think there's, you know, I think they could have just. I don't know who. But yeah. When I. Rufus's wife in this movie. The.
Seth:The.
Kyle:This. The. The Supreme Leader.
Seth:Supreme Leader.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Kyle:What's her name? She's a legendary actress.
Speaker A:Yeah. She's been in a Ton.
Kyle:I'm surprised she didn't have some top billing, but I just. I just do think that there could have been an opportunity for Holland Taylor Holland.
Speaker A:Yeah, she's a legend.
Kyle:I just think there could have been an opportunity to get one more person with a little. With. With some real big star power to come in and. And just really kind of take this seek. You know, what do you call it? Sequel, or.
What do you call it?
Seth:Yeah, it's a sequel.
Kyle:Yeah. Take the sequel to like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Kyle:You know, but again, I think they did what they always do with this is they just were like, no, Bill and Ted has a strong enough following. And if all we get are the people that like Bill and Ted, this movie will be a success.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah. You actually took the words right out of my mouth. That's actually the. What I had my notes is that I felt like it missed a third anchor.
You know, we had that with Rufus in the first one, then we had it with Death here.
I do like Christian Shaw here, but I do feel like it was missing something to kind of like, even though this is a duo, there's always been some weird, like, triune aspect of this where there's been a third person. And there's a lot. Also there's a bigger cast of people here. Like, we're dealing with a lot more people in this one, you know, and they're.
They're like. They're at the rate people are showing up, like, all of a sudden, Queen Elizabeth, like, everyone's just showing up.
At one point, I'm like, wow, this is a bigger scale thing. But it definitely needed something. And I do think Alex Winter did steal the show, though. I do think Bill.
It's interesting seeing him really take a step forward.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't know if that's because Keanu was written or Ted was written to be a little more defeatist in this one. If you notice, his tone's a little different. Yeah, he's a little more defeatist. He's a little more negative.
Seth:Well, he's the one who's. Who's really keying into reality.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Seth:In those situations. Because he's the one who was like, he said, I could get 6,500 for the Les Paul. Like, he's the one actually contemplating selling the or.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Seth:And so, yeah, I. I definitely think, like, Alex takes on a much more positive role in this series in this particular one than he did in the other two.
Speaker A:Yeah. I will say, though, the funniest thing that they did together like this, the League Al or Bill and Ted Was that first scene doing that.
That Gregorian chant. Oh, my God.
Seth:So good.
Speaker A:That was my favorite scene.
Seth:What's weird is it actually kind of worked.
Speaker A:It did.
Seth:Like, it wasn't terrible. Everything was in key. Everything played together. Like, it was so funny.
Speaker A:And I really think Keanu and Alex were like, in it. Like, they were really doing that scene.
Seth:So good. Yeah.
Kyle:That first song, I mean, even Mary Alice was like, this is a good song.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's good. Yeah.
Kyle:Maybe not for the wedding, but it's a good.
Seth:So did you go? Which way did you go?
Speaker A:I did, I did. It's a squ. It's a squeak. It's a flunking most heinously for me as well. So zero to one. It's like we feel bad.
It's like, I love these characters, you know, it's hard to say no. Samar supporting cast, zero to one so far. Samara Weaving as Thea. Jack Haven as Billy. William Sadler as Death. Boom. Back.
Anthony Kerrigan is Daniel Caleb McCoy. Do you guys watch Barry?
Kyle:Yes. Yeah, but I know North Hollywood Henry.
Speaker A:Yes.
Kyle:Yes. He is no ho. Hank. Dude, he is amazing as Noho Hank, AKA North Hollywood Henry.
Speaker A:Incredible. If you haven't watched Barry with Anthony Kerrigan. So good.
Kyle:And he's so good as this character.
Speaker A:Yes.
Seth:Oh, my God. Yes.
Speaker A:Aaron Hayes is Elizabeth. Joanna Mays as Joanna Howland. And Junior back is Chief Logan. We got him back. And Deacon was played by Beck Bennett. Kid Cudi, I'm looking for.
Missy was back. Amy Stuck. They got her back. Yep. You love Jillian Bell. Dave Grohl. And then I want to mention Holland Taylor because she's just a legend.
Kyle:Legend.
Seth:Yeah. I think, I think of the three movies, this is the most stacked supporting cast they've had.
I think the supporting cast from Excellent Adventure was the strongest as far as performances go. But as far as just talent, like, this was so much fun to watch. Every time someone new popped up, I was so into it. I.
I again, I think Jillian Bell is incredible. I laughed my ass off when it was like, oh, yeah, it's Kid Cudi.
Speaker A:I was like, what the.
Seth:Why? The guy who played Darren's the robot's name, right? Yeah, I. The moment when he shoots the dad and he just. He's like, oh, oh, oh, oh.
Like, just freaking out is so. I love. I love a robot with an existential crisis. Yeah, that's. That's just a soft spot for me. So this is.
This was definitely a be excellent to each other. Everyone. Everyone was so fucking Good.
Kyle:Love that same sentiment. Be excellent to each other. Really strong supporting cast. Loved all the choices.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:Everybody really showed up. I do think those in most excellent adventure had to earn it. Yeah, Right.
Seth:Oh, yeah.
Kyle:Because. But the way that they all played together in this third one was just really nice.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:And to get some legends in there, to get people that are, you know, to get, like, you know, there's. To get people who just. You can tell Bill and Ted has meant something to them in their lives.
And it kind of felt like they cast the movie based off of who wants to be a part of this?
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Kyle:And that's. That felt really good.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:Love that. Yeah. I think. I think this movie had to answer a question for us, and that is, what is adult Bill and Ted like?
You know, and that was the big question going into this. And I think the supporting cast really, really answers that question. Like, I love the therapy scenes.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A: never. You're not. Imagine in:Those were some of the best comedic scenes of the whole trilogy.
Seth:A couple of couples, they couldn't even.
Speaker A:Say I love you. And. And.
And I thought particularly Keanu in those scenes, like, his earnestness, the way he kind of, like, played that off, I thought that was fantastic.
Seth:And it made that payoff at the end when they're in the phone booth and they both say, I love you.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Seth:So good.
Speaker A:It was huge.
Seth:So good.
Speaker A:It was huge. And then Anthony Kerrigan's always great. Yeah. And. Yeah. The one struggle I had the most was.
And I think this is one of the things that had to marinate with me is. Is Jack Haven as Billy here almost trying to perfectly mimic Ted from the previous two movies? I kind of feel like. I kind of feel like Jack Haven was.
Was trying that, and it kind of annoyed me. It was awkward for me. I don't know why. I was like. I just like, am I looking at. Like, is. Is Jack Haven trying to be Exactly. Ted?
But after doing more research, I. I found it to be more endearing because the point of the daughters was to show that they. They embody the spirit of Bill and Ted.
And ultimately, even though I didn't love how it was presented all the time, I. I did think it was a beautiful message.
Seth:And.
Speaker A:And the way that they had to deliver in the end and the way it fell on them to make the song, I thought it was beautiful.
Kyle:So my girlfriend had the same kind of reaction. She's like, it's a little distracting. And I'm like, yeah. But again, it's to show that, you know, it's the offspring of ted.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:You know, so I agree that while it might have been a little over the top, I mean, that's what Bill and Ted is.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:That's what the whole trilogy has been over the top. And just like, really slow, exaggerated reactions.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Kyle:You know.
Speaker A:Yeah, she definitely. Like a mini Ted.
Seth:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah, for sure. All right, so we are at one to one here. We are getting to riding, and we're back with our friends. It's kind of crazy. The same guys.
Seth:I'm glad, though.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's cool.
Seth:Unfortunately, I gotta give this. And this is a squeak under kind of the same as. As two, but it's. Yeah, it's unfortunately a failure. Again, nothing as.
As much as they can still capture the heart, nothing is going to capture the magic. That was that first movie. As. As great as 2 is and as much fun and as much as I was laughing out loud at this one, it's just. It. It was good.
It wasn't incredible. It wasn't. It wasn't anything groundbreaking. It was a beautiful ending to this trilogy. But, yeah, it's just. It's a squeak under. For me. It could. There.
It could have been stronger.
Kyle:Yeah, it's a squeak over for me.
Speaker A:Squeak.
Kyle:He's doing the squeaks now because, again, made me laugh.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:Really made me feel. I feel. I feel like Noho Hanks character. What's his name again? Oh, Darren.
Seth:Darren.
Speaker A:Yeah. Dennis.
Kyle:Dennis.
Seth:Dennis. Yes.
Kyle:His. His. It was perfect. Like, I don't know.
There were just aspects of it that were so funny and to your point, like, what does Adult Bill and Ted look like? Well, that only gets achieved through good writing.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:And so I have to give it a squeak above where I'm like, they did it. Like, you could have easily phoned it in and just gave us the same old, tired, you know, tricks that you've given us the first two movies.
I mean, they really could have just combined all the tricks from the first two and given us that in the third.
Seth:Yeah, you've changed my mind. I'm changing my vote.
Kyle:Because, you know, bad boys 1 and 2 were pretty different. And then the third was just like, we're combining all the tropes from 1 and 2, putting them in a third. They could have done that with this.
And again, I think that they. You know, in comedy, we talk about playing to the height of your Intelligence. I think they were really like, what would Bill and Ted be doing?
They'd be in couples therapy because they can't get it together. I mean, I just. So I'm not trying to sway you.
Seth:No, no. That happens from time to time.
Kyle:But I am persuasive.
Speaker A:It's happened five or six times. I agree. Yeah. Five or six times.
Kyle:I'm going to squeak above.
Speaker A:Squeak.
Seth:I'm changing my vote. I'm a squeak over.
Speaker A:It's like Seinfeld. You're doing my squeaks now. I. Gosh. I was teetering, too. I did a squeak over as well. I.
The only thing I will say is one review that I read that I actually really agreed with. They said it was like watching the first two, minus the comedy. I don't think that's true 100%, but it definitely didn't have the. To the same extent.
I think, because they were. They did strike a more serious tone because of what the point of the movie is. I do. And I like how they did that. But I was missing some of the.
Some of the stuff from the first two. Some of the comedic interplay. There definitely wasn't as much of it. And also, they're just older.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so I think maybe the way that. Course you say that. And, like, Keanu is fixing to film John Wick 5. It's like, is he older?
I mean, he's in his 60s and he's still doing gun choreography.
Seth:Yeah. John Wick 5 is going to be an animated prequel.
Speaker A:Well, they're doing both. They've announced three John Wi Wick films in the past two weeks. They're doing an animated prequel, John Wick 5. And they're doing the.
Another spin off.
Seth:Spoiler alert. But he died in four.
Speaker A:Probably not, though.
Seth:What the.
Speaker A:It was probably a fake. It was probably.
Seth:Let him die.
Speaker A:I always. Spoiler alert. Yeah. I always thought it was a fake death. I don't think he was dead.
Kyle:He'll never die.
Speaker A:No, he can't. It's my version of Marvel. I don't watch Marvel. I watch John Wick movies. That's my universe. Don't take it from me.
Seth:I finally found what I love.
Speaker A:Give it back. But aside from that, I. I think in terms of answering the question. Adult Bill and Ted. I think it's great here.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I. One thing that you said this earlier, I agree with you. That's great that we had the same writers, because this really was a love letter.
If you've been invested in these characters, it may not settle. Well, if you're just now coming to the franchise and have no, you know, strings to this. But it really was a love letter. Led her. God, let her.
Seth:This could have easily fallen into fan fiction territory if anyone else had written it.
Speaker A:Yes.
Seth:And, I mean, that's what happened to Star wars, in my opinion. I call the sequel trilogy, the fan fiction trilogy, because it doesn't feel like Star Wars.
It feels like someone who kind of like Star wars wrote a movie and.
Speaker A:They are the heart of it. I mean, they created the characters. They were the characters. And I don't think Keanu and Alex would have done it if it.
If they wouldn't have written it.
Kyle:Yeah.
Speaker A:Two to one directing now. We got Dean, Parasat and Dean.
Seth:So they've had a different director for each movie.
Speaker A:Each movie, okay. Yep. But they've had the same writers in the same. The guy that directed the first one was the producer for the next two.
Seth:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah. So he's been involved as well.
Seth:Well, that's good.
Speaker A:So he directed Good Girls, Santa Clarita Diet. Is that that Drew Barrymore?
Seth:Oh, I love that show.
Speaker A:I never saw it. Is that about cannibals?
Seth:Zombies?
Speaker A:Oh, I like cannibals better. I'm just kidding.
Seth:It's. It's. I'm mad because it got canceled after three seasons and so it's not ever gonna have an actual ending. But yeah, three seasons that are.
There are amazing.
Speaker A:Yeah. This dude's in a lot of tv. The Good Wife, Modern Family, Justified, Masters of Sex. The only movie here I see is Red too.
Seth:Oh, okay.
Speaker A:Oh, Fun with Dick and Jane. That was really good.
Seth:That was a good. Okay.
Speaker A:That was going so. Yeah. But a lot of TV here.
Seth:I think he did a great job. I. I think for what it was being a 30 year later sequel, it's the best it could have been. I do not see a scenario even.
Even then it's like, even with stronger writing, I don't know, it could have gotten much stronger. Just with the subject matter, you're. Like I said before, you're never going to capture the magic that was. That first one.
But he put his whole heart into it. He put everything he had into it. I didn't feel like anything was cheaply made or cheaply done. I feel like the direction was. Was very strong.
And I felt like getting the kids, even though they're in their 20s, like getting them to in some way emulate the adults was really good. So, yeah, it's. It's. Be excellent for me.
Speaker A:Be excellent.
Kyle:I'm going to Be excellent as well. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I, I get. I just thought that this was. I, I really like this movie.
A lot of the things we're hearing, you know, it's the first two without the comedy. I, I don't relate.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:I think if anything the. So much of the circumstance and just the, the natural, the natural circumstances of everything created comedy inherently.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:Without it needing to be some really. Without a punchline needing to be there. Like, sometimes it's a look, sometimes it's just. So I'm going to be excellent to each other.
I mean, I'm probably gonna be hitting that mark with all of this. You know, I was, I was really worried about this when this came out because I was like, what are they gonna do?
Speaker A:Yeah, like I.
Seth:How are they gonna.
Kyle:I can't. How are they gonna screw this up? And then they didn't.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:Like, it just to me was, you know, like they took with, with all three. They just tried to really kind of treat him as standalones.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Kyle:That also are interconnected.
Speaker A:I'm glad I watched the first two, then watch the new one. Can you imagine coming. Coming to this one cold after having not watched the other ones for 20 something years?
Kyle:Like, this is bad.
Speaker A:Yeah. Yeah. You needed to watch the first two, I think. Yeah. I, I what I appreciated and I give this a. I give this a.
Be excellent to each other because the, the scale was grandiose. There was a lot, much larger scale going on. A lot going on. A lot of world building and a lot of people involved. On that final song.
They're pulling in people from everywhere. We got Jimi Hendrix which by the way, whoever that was, supporting cast that. I've read like 10 Jimi Hendrix biographies.
That person should have read them as well. Sorry. That was, that was the worst portrayal of Jimi Hendrix. I am a die hard Jimmy fan. Insulting dude. He would do.
Kyle:Do what the guy who portrayed so crates did.
Speaker A:Yes.
Seth:Yes.
Kyle:That was how so crazy.
Speaker A:That's right. We're talking pre hemlock. A pre hemlock. Socrates would not have acted that way. But seriously, I mean, dude, Jimmy would have said yes instantly.
He's like, yeah, man, I would have loved.
Seth:I just.
Speaker A:I'm all about the world and love and even cowboys. Like he would. Have you ever heard Jimi Hendrix tune from like live footage? Yeah, he'd be like, you know, even cowboys got a tune sometimes.
You know, he would just. He would have said yes.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:Instantly. You wouldn't have had to convince him. He would have gone. Especially if he had barbecue. What's in Tow. Sorry, that was low. But yes, I love the scale.
Got bigger, but it still felt like Bill and Ted.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so it was like, not only is this what adult. Adult Bill and Ted look like, but they're telling a bigger story. But it doesn't feel like they mc.
Like, they didn't have to just make it bigger to make it better. Like, they stayed true to the story. So I think huge win.
Seth:What was the budget on this? Do you remember?
Speaker A:Let's look. I got it pulled up.
Seth:You could type in the word budget.
Speaker A:It did not make much because it was released during COVID I mean, it made 6 million worldwide.
Seth:Jeez.
Speaker A:Yeah. It was a bloodbath. Maybe sometimes they don't have the budget. Yeah. But, yeah, I mean, this was a Covid release, so.
Kyle:Yeah.
Seth:Which it's still crazy to me that fudgeing Christopher Nolan was able to make fun. $400 million over Covid tenant.
Speaker A:Yeah. Even the Northwind flop, but it still made 68.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah. So on a 70 budget. So those numbers. I remember. We are at four to one and we are now doing what is in front of us. Cinematography, production design.
Seth:That means we're at 3 to 1.
Speaker A:3 to 1. Damn it.
Seth:Why?
Speaker A:I need to put my spreadsheets back in here. I used to use a spreadsheet, and it just.
Kyle:Man a pen and paper. Somebody.
Speaker A:Somebody.
Seth:Or this man a grid or seven fingers. Yeah.
Speaker A:Which I have. I'm just refusing to use them. 3 to 1. What's in front? It's like the new trope of the show is me not being able to do math.
What's in front of a cinematography, production design, sound, costumes, editing.
Seth:Yeah, it's. It's definitely be excellent. For me, this. This was so much fun to watch. This was again, another visual experience as the scale got bigger. I don't.
I don't feel like it was too much. I feel like whenever they would go to a Bill and Ted location, they kept everything simple enough that you weren't distracted by what was around.
You were focused on what was going on in front of you.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Seth:Be it the. The. The pub that they're performing at or be it the jail or Dave Grohl's house. Like, they never tried to do too much.
But then when they go to hell, it's. It's. There's enough going on that it balances it out well. So cinematography, I felt like, was fantastic. Costumes were all great.
Like, yeah, this was fantastic to me.
Speaker A:Love it.
Kyle:I'm going to. What are we calling a smidge A squeak.
Speaker A:Going back with the squeaks.
Kyle:I'm back with a squeak. A squeak below. Just underwhelming.
Speaker A:Okay.
Kyle:You know, nothing wrong with it. Nothing exceptional. Nothing really standing out.
Seth:I did like the visual a of the world turntable in. In the future. But also as everything is trying is about to fall apart. Just the visual of the sky opening and everything.
I thought that was really cool.
Kyle:I mean, just thinking about how big the sets were for like the first one when they go into the place and everyone's like, yeah. You know, and how it just felt like they built sets for that one and they CGI these. Yeah, fine. But it just. It felt like. I don't know why.
It felt like maybe they didn't need to pay as much attention in this one. Maybe just because of the story. But yeah, I'm going with just, you know, just a little bit below. You know, I'm gonna go with Ulta.
You know, ultimately, I guess we have.
Speaker A:To call it a failure. Most heinous or flunking most heinously.
Kyle:I'm tired. Wow. Yeah, I got no sleep again.
Speaker A:Last three episodes in one day.
Kyle:Plunking most heinously on this one. But really, I'm just gonna say flunking slightly heinously. Not mostly just because.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Kyle:Yeah. It just didn't overwhelm me. The first two. It just felt like boom.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Kyle:And this one just kind of felt like maybe it's because we're more in. In modern day. It just didn't have to be so big.
Speaker A:Yeah. I'll. I'll do a squeak below your squeak. A squish. A squatch. Something Something with an S and a Q. But no, I.
This was probably the biggest drop off for me from. And because I was watching these back to back was I love the organic sets and two.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:And the cgi. And the first one was limited, but it was also really cool. But it was limited. Here I. I am feeling an inorganic world more. So that was.
And I know they had a big thing to do, but like, like bogus journey. Bill and Ted, like they weren't afraid to build sets. And like.
Seth:Well, that was. But that's still how you did it back then. Like you still built sets back then. Now today it's just the way it's done.
Kyle:It's a green screen.
Speaker A:And back it back then is better than now that sign languages back then. I'm a curmudgeon. I'm old and I don't give a. It's. What happened back then was always better no, but. And it's not all of them. I really liked the.
Well, I don't know. I don't even know if I like that room. When they first meet the. The new. The new leader and it's that bright white, like. I don't know. I just. I didn't.
I didn't find that one visually appealing either. Like, I'm not liking. And I also don't like the massive concert, like, in totality, how it looked like there was so much going on.
I know they've done that in the past ones, but, you know, I don't know. I just. It felt really large to me.
Kyle:Yeah.
Speaker A:So that was my only thing. So I. I went to squeak below your. Squeak.
Seth:Squeak below a squawk, if you will.
Speaker A:A squawk.
Kyle:So we win.
Speaker A:So we win. Yeah. Yeah.
Seth:Christmas brothers.
Kyle:We won because Bill and Ted lost.
Speaker A:That's right. Three to two are in a broke categories. And these are the ones that transferred across all three numbers.
Seth:Right?
Speaker A:I did. I'm going to go back to my spreadsheets that I used to use. I used to have a macro. Oh, yeah, A macro. You fancy badge equals some. Yeah, okay.
Spreadsheet talk.
Seth:It's dirty.
Speaker A:I know. Just duo it. How is our duo here?
Seth:I like them. I liked him a lot. Again, as we've said, I think the tone shift in each of their characters was solid because.
Yeah, Bill definitely took a much larger role in. In the leadership in this. In this one. And it's.
It's interesting because he's always been the smarter of the two, but he thinks Keanu's smarter, and so he always does what what Ted says. And in this one, he was really breaking out of that. Yeah, I. I like the duo. I think, as we've said, they.
They felt like they've always been best friends and are still best friends. So it's. It's definitely a. A Be excellent to each other. For me.
Speaker A:Love that.
Kyle:Same. Be excellent to each other. I mean, the duo stronger than ever.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:The love is there. And. Yeah, we. I think this is my favorite version of them.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Kyle:You know, the first one, it's like, yeah, we're two new guys in the industry in this movie.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:Let's make the most. The second was. I guess we made a good movie the first time. Let's try and do it again.
And then this one was, wow, those weird movies we made ended up being cult classics.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Kyle:We're real friends. Our whole careers don't hinge on whether this is good or bad.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:Like, let's. Let's tap into that. I mean, that scene where they're laying in bed together, dying.
Seth:So good.
Kyle:I mean, their chemistry in this. I mean, the. The muscle. The. The muscle bound, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Kyle:Guys in the. In the yard, the. When they do the Rolling Stones thing. I mean, their chemistry in this. This, I mean, was, to me, they peaked.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Kyle:On this one.
Seth:Which is hard to do with a 30 year later sequel.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Kyle:And again, it's because, like, there was the first two. How much of a real love and friendship were there between Alex and Keanu? Actually, now there's a big. There's actually this.
Years and years and years of love and support.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:And. And talking about this and reminiscing on it and all of that came through.
Speaker A:Yeah, I love that. Yeah. I think.
I think what's pretty incredible is you would never say, you know, of Keanu Reeves and Alex Winter, like, those guys have massive range, you know, especially Alex Winner, who really doesn't act anymore. He just directs. But even before Bill and Ted, he hadn't done much.
But, you know, for some reason, whatever it is, like, you plug these two into this world like, they have generated. I'm gonna go ahead and include the whole trilogy in my response, like, with this involved too.
But it's amazing the amount of, like, emotional response they've elicited from me knowing that they're not two of the most ranged actors out there. Keanu's done a lot of my favorite and his top five for me, all time. But he's also not like freaking Daniel Day Lewis.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:But for some reason, these two have pulled on my heartstrings a ton.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:And. And even though I didn't like this as much as the first two, there were moments where I was like, damn, like, they're really getting to me right now.
And they're not even. They don't even have a ton of range. But this world works for them and they make it work. And I. I think they knock it out of the park here.
I agree with you. I think this might be my favorite version of them. It is four to two, and we are in our last category, Back to the Future.
A much different version of time travel from the first two here.
Seth:Yeah. And. And I think this is my favorite version of their time travel set up, like, the way that they did it.
The first one was fun as they were creating their own rules. This one, they didn't try to create anything new. They didn't try to go out of what had already been done.
But they took the rules that they had established and just took them to the limit.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Seth:So I, I absolutely love it. It's, it's definitely a. Be excellent to each other, for me.
Speaker A:Love it.
Kyle:I'm going to be excellent to each other too. And I like it because of how they interacted with themselves. You know, this, the going back in history just to bring people fun.
But this one, actually they talked about the laws of time travel a little bit more. And of course, you know, they're not being scientists about it, but again, just this idea of, you know, interacting with yourself.
And then also, if you mess with the past too much, well, then you will break down the natural order. Right. So, you know, for that purpose of it. And again, going back to what we talked about with this arrival type of time travel.
Speaker A:If you guys haven't seen Arrival, this guy likes arrival.
Seth:3 weeks watch arrival.
Kyle:But again, just that idea as well. So kind of played out through this, where these guys think it's them.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:But actually it's, it's a version of themselves that they haven't even created yet. And that's what you see in the first one. It's like a version of you that you haven't even created yet. Will create this song.
Seth:Yeah, yeah.
Kyle:But they know it, and they know it in their heart of hearts. They know it in their mind. And so they're time traveling within their own mind.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:As well, with what they believe their destiny to be. So, boom. Be excellent to each other.
Seth:Mic drop.
Speaker A:Boom. You know, I, I love the, the lens of, of self reflection. That was what the time travel was used for here.
And I, I, I think in each movie it was used in varying amounts and used for different reasons. And I, I liked each of them. This one rung a special chord because, like, I think, you know, it made me think.
I was like, well, if I could go back and address high school, Kyle, you know, just hang in there. You're a loser now. You know, Accutane is a new thing.
They'll make it, you know, but, you know, it's like that's a real conversation that you have with yourself as you get older. You know, you start having kids and all the happens, you lose a job or whatever happens. And like you, you can't help but reflect on the past.
And so what would you say to your old self, especially if you had this onus on you of the standards, like, what am I, how am I supposed to perform? Who am I supposed to be? But then I thought that the fact that the Solution was generational, and it was glow, like global.
I thought that was a real beautiful message. And the fact that it was all tied together with this time is the way they use time travel here. So I give it a huge. Be excellent to each other.
Yeah, Yeah. I loved. I loved how they use it here.
Seth:I also real quick got a shout out Cold War Kids for that closing song.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Seth:Because it's funny, the guy who introduced me to this also introduced me to Cold War Kids, and they're one of my favorite bands. So it was just a weird, like, turn of fate that. That they did the ending for this final one.
Speaker A:Is that John David? Yeah, John David.
Seth:He's.
Speaker A:What a saint.
Seth:Badass. We're gonna have him on one of these days. He's got. He's got some interesting taste in film that I would love to showcase to some people.
Speaker A:We should have a podcast with all the ancillary family members that have been mentioned on this show.
Seth:Margot, we'll start with your dad.
Speaker A:Yeah, my dad will resurrect his drunk ass. Yeah. Don't let any dip fall out of your mouth, dead guy.
Seth:Margo's in Amsterdam, so it'll be a little.
Speaker A:Margo's in Amsterdam. Margo. Damn it. And Mary Alice.
Kyle:Mary Alice.
Speaker A:Shout out. Mary Alice.
Kyle:We gotta get my boy Alex Abramowicz in here. He's the guy that introduced me to Bill and Ted. Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah. Well, they'll enjoy smelling my dad's rotting corpse, so.
Seth:And this got so dark so fast.
Speaker A:See, I like it. You got. That's.
Seth:Yeah.
Speaker A:Maybe that's why people don't like my material. It's all cannibals. It's all cannibals and dead dad talk, you know? Well, dude, it was so fun. This dude came in here after a sleepless night and.
Kyle:Thank you. This was so fun. God. Getting to go down memory lane with Bill and Ted with y'all.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Kyle:Maybe the highlight of my weekend. Given everything.
Speaker A:Everything. Giving everything.
Kyle:Thank you. And I love the pod man. Keep doing it. Keep talking about movies. Anytime I can. Come on. We got some things. Bring me on for the View.
Askew the Kevin Smith. I'm here for it.
Speaker A:Got to do a wrestling crossover.
Seth:Yeah.
Kyle:So we got plans.
Speaker A:We got plans.
Kyle:I'll be back.
Speaker A:Yes, he will.
Kyle:And if you haven't followed me or shared my. By then how. Well, you can still watch those episodes.
Seth:But you might have to face.
Kyle:We're going to.
Speaker A:We're going to. We're going to say some.
Kyle:Yeah, we will say some stuff.
Speaker A:Might come to your comments and say that you look fat.
Seth:Yeah, yeah. Stupid redditors.
Kyle:But then we're also going to be very appreciative for you being here.
Speaker A:Yeah. Thank you for your IP address registered on our downloads. But anyway, thank you so much again for coming. Love y'all. Be excellent to each other.
I'm Kyle.
Seth:I'm Seth.
Kyle:I'm Evan Burke.
Seth:Woo. Yeehaw.
Kyle:That was awesome.
Speaker A:Movie Wars.
